Stats, Stats, Stats! A year of AH2.

[2fly]

Nice work Lusche.

    I was slightly surprised that the P51 came in as most used.  I expected to see the LA or spitfire edge it out slightly.  I have to wonder if one particular squad stopped flying the mustang for a month if it would drop from it's no 1 slot.  
   I also was slightly surprised to see the C-hog as far up as it was.  It doesnt seem like I see THAT many of them.  Just lucky I guess because it is an awesome aircraft.

[soda72]

Now lets see the stats for early war and mid war...

[Lusche]

Originally posted by 2fly
Nice work Lusche.

    I was slightly surprised that the P51 came in as most used.  I expected to see the LA or spitfire edge it out slightly.  I have to wonder if one particular squad stopped flying the mustang for a month if it would drop from it's no 1 slot.  

Not very probable. The P-51 has 86379 more (kills+deaths) than the Spit 16, that's a difference of almost 7200 per tour. But it's easy to check. Which squad do you have in mind?

[NCLawman]

That is some very interesting reading Lusche:aok

Thank you for the effort and post.  


Now, to provide my nickels worth of free analysis:

I would expect to see the perk ride very high on the K/D charts. (1) Because they are the 'more powerful' rides; and (2) because usually the more experienced flyers take the perkie rides.  The 2-weekers generally don't have enough points to grab and waste them.

Which Brings me to a second question.  I wonder how many planes are better than their stats reflect (i.e. P51D) only because every 2-weeker and his brother log-on, grab one and fly into the bottom of a furball, last like a fart in a windstorm and then do it again.  


Again, Great work Lusche... it is very interesting material.  

[Lusche]

Originally posted by NCLawman

Which Brings me to a second question.  I wonder how many places are better than their stats reflect (i.e. P51D) only because every 2-weeker and his brother log-on, grab one and fly into the bottom of a furball.
 

My guess:
First and foremost La-7 & Spit 16. Followed by planes like P-38L, P47N, F4U-D and other dumptrucks used for suicide bombing runs.

[NCLawman]

My last post got me thinking even more, I wonder what the break down of plane usage would be by length of service in AH.

things that make you go ... hmmmmm.

Unfortunately, this is not something that can be pulled from the Scores section of the website, but would have been interesting to see just for curiosity sake.

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[whiteman]

I thought the F4U's would be higher in usage as many as i see. Then again I do more base defense especially aginst CV's added with the variant usage i guess it equals to what i see.

cool stats.

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by Lusche
Not very probable. The P-51 has 86379 more (kills+deaths) than the Spit 16, that's a difference of almost 7200 per tour. But it's easy to check. Which squad do you have in mind?

The 412th would cover about a third of those. They had over 2000 last month in the 51D. How many other pony groups are out there?

[toonces3]

Interesting.

These numbers certainly support making the P-47N an ENY 5 aircraft.

Nice work Lusche.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by toonces3
Interesting.

These numbers certainly support making the P-47N an ENY 5 aircraft.

Nice work Lusche.

Heh, I was mad at first, then I realized you were being sarcastic;) ---plane never had a positive K/D for the whole year, yet has eny of 5 (I DID ascertain I had 3% of ALL P47N kills for the year:aok )

[toonces3]

Yep, right down there below high performers like the F4F, zero, P47D-40, but right above the P-40E, an ENY 25 plane I believe.

Makes sense to me!

[dedalos]

Originally posted by bj229r
Heh, I was mad at first, then I realized you were being sarcastic;) ---plane never had a positive K/D for the whole year, yet has eny of 5 (I DID ascertain I had 3% of ALL P47N kills for the year:aok )

Maybe if people pulled back on the stick after releasing their ord and did not just race the bombs to the target, its K/D would be higher?

Just maybe?

[Krusty]

I don't think you can count deaths in any way with plane stats. I also think you cannot rank them based on kills/deaths ratio. Obviously the perk planes will be ranked higher -- not because they are better killers, but because they are PERK planes, and pilots more often than not don't want to die (they don't do stuff they normally do).

Take the 262 for example. Its high kills/death has a lot more to do with being so fast nothing can catch it than it does with being a "super killer" -- against anything other than bombers flying level it's the hardest plane to get kills in -- even bombers can kill it with a lucky shot!

Doesn't mean the 262 is really the second best plane, it just means the deaths are low. Overall kills are also very low.


Note that the Spit8 and Spit16 are almost the same plane. Before we got either everybody was in the super-boosted SpitV. So I guess you could add those two together and you get about 9% for nearly-identical planes. That's a lot of spitties!



In general my thoughts are that the whole ENY balancing and MA splitting has totally upset the plane balance across the spectrum. I remember checking the plane stats well before the split and all that stuff took place, and checking them afterwards it was a completely different picture.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Krusty
Obviously the perk planes will be ranked higher -- not because they are better killers, but because they are PERK planes

Most of them got the PERK states just because they are better killers. If they were like any other plane, their would be not much need for any perking at all

Without perk limits, their K/D would drop considerable for sure, but planes like Tempest would still be ahead of the crowd in K/D terms just because of their performance.

[Ghastly]

With respect to the F4U's...I have 2 thoughts/comments.

1) If you fly the arena's, most of the f4u's you see are actually -1A's.  Yet the charts indicate otherwise - both the -1D and the -1C show greater "use" than the -1A. I'd hazard to say that most of the reason for the discrepency between how much you see the -1D and the -1A in the arena compared to their indicated use is the use to which the aircraft are put to in the arena - A handful of guys running suicide missions from a CV two miles off of a field are going to greatly increase the number of deaths in the -1D, which is going to exaggerate it's "use" in the charts above.  Meanwhile, exactly the opposite is true of the -1C. It's status as a relatively poor performing fly perk plane with a brutal armament package means that it's not nearly as common to see as the chart would make it appear -  but the guys who do fly it are good enough to get put those massive guns to good use, racking up lots of kills in a shorter time - which again exaggerates the "use".

So while the reality is you see more -1A's than both of the other too combined in the arena, it doesn't appear so because fewer deaths (and kills) are spread out over a much longer (on average) sortie.  Ideally, the total amount of time players spent sortieing in each aircraft would be a much better measurement of "use", although I realize that Lusche had to work with what he can get, and if that's available, I've never seen it anywhere.

2) And with respect to the assumption that the K/D ratio for the -1C and -4 as compared to the rest of the plane set are good proof that they should be perked, that is a case of "statistics can prove anything you want if you start from the wrong assumption".   The biggest reason that they have such markedly higher K/d ratios than other aircraft is not because they are so much better planes which proves they deserve their perks, but because they are perk planes in the first place and those that fly them are both more experienced, and more conscious of not losing the plane BECAUSE of the perk.   If you perked the C202 or the Spit IX, you'd see a sudden and dramatic rise in the those aircraft's K/D ratio too.