The State contorlling your heater?

[SOB]

Originally posted by Meatwad
I will make a demand

If Kalifornia doesnt give me 1 billion dollars in US currency, I will turn up the heat in everyones homes to..............1 million degrees!

Nice try, buddy.  The system can't be hacked... that's unpossible!

Mr. Somsel, in an interview Thursday, said he had done further research and was concerned that the radio signal — or the Internet instructions that would be sent, in an emergency, from utilities’ central control stations to the broadcasters sending the FM signal — could be hacked into.

That is not possible, said Nicole Tam, a spokeswoman for P.G.& E. who works with the pilot program in Stockton. Radio pages “are encrypted and encoded,” Ms. Tam said.

[lasersailor184]

Ha!  I bet he was on the company that made the unhackable Digital Voting Machines.

[Gunthr]

its starting to sound like a science fiction movie.  its disturbing.  imagine what new "controls" they will come up with if we hand them the keys to our health care...  (it will be for our own good of course)

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Gunthr
its starting to sound like a science fiction movie.  its disturbing.  imagine what new "controls" they will come up with if we hand them the keys to our health care...  (it will be for our own good of course)

You laugh, but it is happening.  In Britain, they stole a fat kid "For his own good" from the parents.

In Maryland (might be wrong about the state), Child Welfare was ABOUT to steal a kid from the parents.  After many different attempts to cure the kid's cancer, nothing worked (the kid was 15-16).  The kid decided himself that he'd like to try a holistic natural approach to cure the cancer in mexico rather then endure another round of Chemotherapy.  Child Welfare filed many injunctions against the parents, and were literally suiting up to kidnap him and force him to get chemotherapy.  Had the case not gone public, they would have done it.

[rpm]

Looks like that recall election fixed everything afterall.

[lazs2]

rpm... it coulda been a lot worse if the commie democrat  had got in.

lazs

[Sandman]

You hand-wringers need to realize that electricity is not an infinite resource.

I can't speak for the northern urban centers, but from our vantage in the more rural high desert, it seems that Los Angeles and the surrounding cities are nothing but a giant sponge, consuming resources far beyond their own city limits. Water, power, oil, you name it... it just feeds the monster.

...and all along the citizens of the urban sprawl act as if they have the right to consume as much as they can afford.

Power generation in California is well on its way to being a huge problem for the future.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Sandman
...and all along the citizens of the urban sprawl act as if they have the right to consume as much as they can afford.

They DO have the right to consume as much as they can afford.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
They DO have the right to consume as much as they can afford.

Not without shame unless they pay someone to plant a bunch of trees somewhere.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by AKIron
Not without shame unless they pay someone to plant a bunch of trees somewhere.

That assumes I feel shamed by it.

[crockett]

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to build a new power plant? Sounds like half the other idiotic laws people in our govt think up, but never get voted in.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by crockett
Wouldn't it be cheaper just to build a new power plant? Sounds like half the other idiotic laws people in our govt think up, but never get voted in.

You would think... but hydro-electric dams are pretty much out of the question these days. With pollution control a concern, coal power-plants aren't considered an option. And lastly, there are nuclear power-plants. I'm not sure anyone has built a nuke power-plant in the US in the past couple of decades.

So... that leaves wind turbines, solar collectors, tidal generators... all expensive and all not suited for large urban center electricity needs.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Sandman
You would think... but hydro-electric dams are pretty much out of the question these days. With pollution control a concern, coal power-plants aren't considered an option. And lastly, there are nuclear power-plants. I'm not sure anyone has built a nuke power-plant in the US in the past couple of decades.

So... that leaves wind turbines, solar collectors, tidal generators... all expensive and all not suited for large urban center electricity needs.

Natural-gas fired Co-generation plants. For those of you who are unfamiliar with them, this is essentially what they are: A Natural-gas fired turbine which is geared to a generator. The heat from the turbine exhaust is used to produce steam, which in turn runs a steam turbine, which runs yet another generator. Co-gens(as they are called in the industry) usually have 2 or more primary(gas fueled) turbines, with 2 or 3 primary's providing steam for a steam unit.

Over the last 6 years' or so, 4-5 of them have been built within 50 miles' of my house. I actually worked on the last one that went up. From what I've been told, They made profit at something like $100,000 dollars a minute(!).

[lasersailor184]

So not only does the burning of the gas give power, but the exhaust drives another generator for more power?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Natural-gas fired Co-generation plants. For those of you who are unfamiliar with them, this is essentially what they are: A Natural-gas fired turbine which is geared to a generator. The heat from the turbine exhaust is used to produce steam, which in turn runs a steam turbine, which runs yet another generator. Co-gens(as they are called in the industry) usually have 2 or more primary(gas fueled) turbines, with 2 or 3 primary's providing steam for a steam unit.

Over the last 6 years' or so, 4-5 of them have been built within 50 miles' of my house. I actually worked on the last one that went up. From what I've been told, They made profit at something like $100,000 dollars a minute(!).

Wow... in Bakersfield. Never would have guessed it.