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Offline TheDudeDVant

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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2008, 01:51:21 AM »
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And lastly, there are nuclear power-plants. I'm not sure anyone has built a nuke power-plant in the US in the past couple of decades.


Sure there are new units in the states.. I'm an operator at one..  Also, my employer is building a new site with 2 new units right now with other units in the planning..  Nuke power is the future..

Edit: Well, its not brand new but rebuilt/refitted and up-powered.. New sites are being constructed though..  google 'TVA Nuclear' if interested.. The only government agency (that i'm aware of) that takes zero tax money and actually repays it's loans back to the government.. 8)
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2008, 02:02:36 AM »
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Natural-gas fired Co-generation plants. For those of you who are unfamiliar with them, this is essentially what they are: A Natural-gas fired turbine which is geared to a generator. The heat from the turbine exhaust is used to produce steam, which in turn runs a steam turbine, which runs yet another generator. Co-gens(as they are called in the industry) usually have 2 or more primary(gas fueled) turbines, with 2 or 3 primary's providing steam for a steam unit.

Over the last 6 years' or so, 4-5 of them have been built within 50 miles' of my house. I actually worked on the last one that went up. From what I've been told, They made profit at something like $100,000 dollars a minute(!).


I've never heard/seen any gas turbine that could generate over 100 megawatts with most being around 40-50megawatts.. Most applications of these gas turbines I thought were for on-site industrial applications either as primary or secondary power supplies..

You're familiar with these being used as a residential application?

Far as money, I could see them costing $100,000 a day to operate.. hehe Not so much a profit of $100,000 even in a day.. 8)

Edit:  I was wrong.. there are some large scale gas turbine projects..
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2008, 09:55:21 AM »
wow sandman..   LA has such a poor planning commission and development team that they can't come up with anything but radio controlled thermostats?

the way you do it is that you let the price go up.    continue to live there and pay... then.. if someone wants to build.. you tell them that before they build that 5,000 home tract.. they have to pay their share of the new power plant...  and water plant and wastewater plant and parks and streets and....

either people build or they don't.. either people pay the increased power bills or they leave.. either way... problem solved

Just like every other competent city does in the US.   Do you really not know this stuff?

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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2008, 10:04:45 AM »
brilliant...


radio controlled thermostats.


All it takes is one lunatic to figure out the codes and frequency and set all the city's temperature gauges to maximum.

And the city burns.



OTH, since its california maybe it wouldnt be so bad. ;)
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2008, 10:55:59 AM »
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brilliant...


radio controlled thermostats.


All it takes is one lunatic to figure out the codes and frequency and set all the city's temperature gauges to maximum.

And the city burns.



OTH, since its california maybe it wouldnt be so bad. ;)


While I don't think the city would literally burn, an overload and subsequent shutdown of the grid is very possible. The idiot that claimed the system is hack proof is, well, an idiot. People survived without electricty for a whole lot longer than with it though and the loss of it won't be life threatening for most Californians at any time of year.


For the record, I think it's still a stupid communist plan.
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2008, 11:24:05 AM »
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wow sandman..   LA has such a poor planning commission and development team that they can't come up with anything but radio controlled thermostats?

the way you do it is that you let the price go up.    continue to live there and pay... then.. if someone wants to build.. you tell them that before they build that 5,000 home tract.. they have to pay their share of the new power plant...  and water plant and wastewater plant and parks and streets and....

either people build or they don't.. either people pay the increased power bills or they leave.. either way... problem solved

Just like every other competent city does in the US.   Do you really not know this stuff?

lazs


In other words... more taxes.

Read the 2008 Building Energy Efficiency Standards, page 63.

During "price events" the thermostat can be over-ridden. During "emergency events" it cannot.

There is pilot program in Stockton already. There is an existing system on Long Island in New York that is voluntary. Customers get a rate reduction for participating.

It only affects new houses and those that will change the energy systems. People will like it or they won't. They'll either go along with it or they'll leave. Either way, problem solved.

All in all... it sounds like a reasonable alternative to rolling blackouts and my guess is it's far less expensive than simply building more power-plants.
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2008, 12:31:03 PM »
no.. I don't think you are getting it at all.   the program will not work.   and..  At this point, they really can't control anything.. you can override it.

I did not suggest more taxes.   what I said was that the current residents are responsible for maintaining the current infrastructure if they want to use it.

New development needs to pay for the share that they increase on the load.   If new development thinks it is worth it they will build.. if not.. no problem but..

current city dwellers who want power need to pay for maintaining the current system.

It is pretty simple stuff really until you start clouding up the whole thing with band aid silliness like these thermostats.

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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2008, 12:57:23 PM »
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the program will not work.


I guess we'll see about that when they finish the pilot program in Stockton.
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM »
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I guess we'll see about that when they finish the pilot program in Stockton.


There SEEMS to always be someone that cheers the loss of freedom and self determination?
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2008, 02:38:27 PM »
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There SEEMS to always be someone that cheers the loss of freedom and self determination?


If you're feeling repressed, you can always determine to build your own generator. Wind and sun are free.
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2008, 03:35:27 PM »
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If you're feeling repressed, you can always determine to build your own generator. Wind and sun are free.


Of course!

WHY EVERYONE SHOULD!

RIGHT?

Never mind that you paid for the power you got, and will pay for the power you will get.

Let's just ignore the entire Enron thing while we're at it!  Too inconvenient huh?

How about those that WANT to be controlled all get together and BUILD their own generators and have them controlled?

Or lets instead do what YOU want lets reward all that bad planning and greed and corruption by giving them even MORE power and control over us!  YES that the ticket!

<<< ok can't type what I really want to say here so gonna stop for now >>>
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2008, 03:38:25 PM »
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Or lets instead do what YOU want lets reward all that bad planning and greed and corruption by giving them even MORE power and control over us!  YES that the ticket!


You're a bit worked up for a non-California resident.

I may be out on a limb here, but I'm fairly certain that California's 2008 Building Energy Efficiency Standards don't apply to Nevada residents.
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2008, 03:45:48 PM »
" They'll either go along with it or they'll leave."


or they'll disconnect the stupid thing.
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2008, 03:46:22 PM »
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You're a bit worked up for a non-California resident.

I may be out on a limb here, but I'm fairly certain that California's 2008 Building Energy Efficiency Standards don't apply to Nevada residents.


You think such things are only going to remain in Kalifornia?

BTW was BORN and raised in Kalifornia.

Left there recently to get AWAY from what I perceive as idiocy, and anti-freedom, anti-liberty, and anti-self determination.

As to Building Energy Efficiency Standards what makes you think other states aren't using similar, or even the same standards?

Here's your saw?
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2008, 03:55:53 PM »
Wake up people!   California is the US socialist state in the making...only the government is smart enough to run your thermostat.   You can't decide for yourself.  

You should give all your earthly holdings, financial and physical, to the leadership of their party to redistribute for your benefit, while they live the high life.

When California finally falls into the ocean, we can claim the removal of another blood sucking parasite from the US.

Otherwise, I like it.  :)

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