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Offline Motherland

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« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2008, 02:10:13 PM »
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If I had a 2 fighters, 1 GV pcik...


1) Yak-7A

 A very early Yak, with very comparable performance to both the Yak-1 and the Yak-7B, that may stand in for scenarios/events featuring Yaks from the beginning of Barbarossa to early 1942.

IMO, we shouldn't need 'Stand ins' for the second most prolific aircraft in history, beneath the Il-2. Bring on the 1, 7, and 3 right after we get the Ju-52.

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« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2008, 08:05:55 PM »
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IMO, we shouldn't need 'Stand ins' for the second most prolific aircraft in history, beneath the Il-2. Bring on the 1, 7, and 3 right after we get the Ju-52.


 Well, at heart, I feel the same way.

 But as always, a compromise is required to persuade both the developers and the gamers as to why a particular plane choice should be on the "next" list.

 As a matter of fact, the reason the P-39 ranked so high in votes (unlike the B-25 which received a considerable boost in votes from the "Doolitlle raid" squeakers :D, or how the Yak-3 received a boost from the "superplane" fan boys :D :D ) was the logic that the P-39 was an ideal plane in that;

1) it was a part of a US planeset, unintroduced plane type and not some variant of an already existing plane
2) has a double-role in filling out a very important part of the VVS planeset
3) a mid-war plane with some degree of potential even in the MA
4) very important in all sorts of Eastern front scenarios and events
5) some degree of importance in Pacific theater scenarios and events
6) and also massively produced type, not some very early war or late war, or small batch, obscurely produced type

 Like many people I don't think the HTC crew is moving down the vote list. I believe that HTC accepted the above public reasoning for the P-39 - it makes sense.

 Therefore, I'm thinking that the Yak-7A or the -7B would also find such compromise acceptable. While the Yak-1 was the very first, really competitive fighter the VVS deployed, its shortage in production numbers gave rise to the Yak-7 series as a real-life "stand in" for the Yak-1s. Not only do they have a very close performance to the Yak-1, it also fills a larger time span from 1941 to mid 1942, before the Yak-1B comes out.
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« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2008, 10:32:25 PM »
well FIRST of all, anyone know about what day the P-39 is coming out, and SECOND is it in january, o and also, maybe we should get like 2 or 3 versions of the p-39, i guess an early war, mid war, and the late war p-63 or p-400 (not sure about p-400 is it kind of even late war, im pretty sure p-63 is)
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« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2008, 12:58:01 AM »
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You forgot about The Big F***ing Gun in nose :)
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« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2008, 11:24:58 AM »
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You forgot about The Big F***ing Gun in nose :)


                      I dont want to rain on the parade but if modeled correctly your probably going to be dissapointed with that "big gun". If memory serves it had very poor ballistics, far worse then the Russian 37mm, and wasnt much use for GVs either.

                    But if you can use the Russian 37mm you'll probably be able to adjuest for the Yank Colt one. Either way Im sure the 39 will be a fine addition to the game. I just wish it had a 20mm Hispano instead.
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« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2008, 11:45:10 AM »
P-39's M4 37mm = 610m/sec muzzle velocity.

Yak-9T's NS-37 37mm cannon = 900m/sec muzzle velocity.
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« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2008, 11:58:23 AM »
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I dont want to rain on the parade but if modeled correctly your probably going to be dissapointed with that "big gun".


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« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2008, 04:40:53 PM »
BUT when can we expect the p-39 in the game?? im freaking excited, i dont care about anything else
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« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2008, 04:44:02 PM »
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BUT when can we expect the p-39 in the game?? im freaking excited, i dont care about anything else

Evrey time HT sees "When", he pushes it back another 2 weeks.
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« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2008, 08:47:48 PM »
Meh even if its not the best round for killing tanks and fighters, it can still be used to deack fields, take down towns and lob rounds at bombers.
Also 610m/sec, whats that with 330+ mph added?

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« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2008, 08:51:00 PM »
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Evrey time HT sees "When", he pushes it back another 2 weeks.


Well thanks now its back another 2 weeks!  :furious




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« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2008, 09:32:24 AM »
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Actually if you were going to round out the early war set with 1 plane that could do both western and eastern front the choice is pretty simple. The hawk 75 easily outperformed the D.520 with regard to combat record in french service and performed admirably in finnish service as well.


Good point...

We may not appreciate the French much. "Don't like their wine".:cry  "Don't like their cheese".:D  But, the fact remains that they were an important WWII allie. The french underground helped to make D-Day a reality for the allies. Keep in mind that although french aircraft development and production was not up to par at the beginning of the war, nor was the Americans or the Soviets. There country was overrun and occupied. Pretty hard to develop warplanes under those conditions.

In all of that, I believe that the French should be represented with that sorry D.520 and at least the bitmore capable Hawk 75. Any of the rest of their aircraft were rubbish.

Anyway...

Choices:

JU-52
PBY-5 Catalina (Port/Seaborne - Bomber/Transport)
Sm. 79 (Bomber/Transport)
PE-2 or TU-2
P-40N-5


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« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2008, 10:57:02 AM »
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But it was used and produced in quantity.  I am not talking about how capable they are, but whether they were used in numbers or not.


Oh, and the MiG-3 wasn't? Over 3,300 were produced and delivered, and to be honest, that's a hell of a lot more than a lot of the planes we've currently got in our set. And the MiG-3 out-performed the LaGG-3 in all respects, not to mention that it had more firepower.

I'm going to enjoy seeing your attempt to back out of this one.

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« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2008, 10:59:02 AM »
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Good point...

We may not appreciate the French much. "Don't like their wine".:cry  "Don't like their cheese".:D  But, the fact remains that they were an important WWII allie. The french underground helped to make D-Day a reality for the allies. Keep in mind that although french aircraft development and production was not up to par at the beginning of the war, nor was the Americans or the Soviets. There country was overrun and occupied. Pretty hard to develop warplanes under those conditions.

In all of that, I believe that the French should be represented with that sorry D.520 and at least the bitmore capable Hawk 75. Any of the rest of their aircraft were rubbish.

Anyway...

Choices:

JU-52
PBY-5 Catalina (Port/Seaborne - Bomber/Transport)
Sm. 79 (Bomber/Transport)
PE-2 or TU-2
P-40N-5


Cheers:aok


On the contrary, their wines and cheeses are most excellent.

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« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2008, 12:40:51 PM »
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On the contrary, their wines and cheeses are most excellent.


Yes, you are correct. They are delicasies. Just being sarcastic.;)

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