Incorporation of A/C Frame Loss...

[Chapel]

I've noticed a LOT of 190's cruising in to cripple fields with thier most abundant and dangerous Cannons. And then they die. Either crashing, or shot down by ack mostly.

I realize the SAME thing happening with Ju-88's and Allied bombers as well.
Seems like the losses are staggering and would in all likelyhood cripple a fields supply of aircraft if this type of tactic were kept up and prevelant.

Is there a way to incorporate a frame loss of some sort to discourage pilots from NOT returning home and landing? I have no idea what kind of code might exist for this sort of thing. But perhaps allowing you to only fly tier 1 and 2 aircraft after 5 deaths/bails, and then only allowed to fly tier 1 aircraft after 10 deaths/bails? Ditch's would be acceptable as you have to actually put the aircraft on the ground safely.

This would keep people from Bomb n' Bailing, and wasting aircraft in a loose manner.

That or possibly imposing a 3-5 min timer after each death/bail before you can lift off again. Not sure how this would go over, but it would promote some of those "Good" fights people are looking for, and actually give some meaning to each life you have.

Perhaps for each death/bail, your timer increase's by +1 mins, up to a maximum of 5 mins. And for each landing for which you were airborne for at least 10 mins, you shave -1 min off that timer.

Don't know if any of this stuff might work, or is actually do-able. But it's crazy to see people porking fields with no loss of life, airframe, or any responsibility to thier actions. I know cause i've done it too. I try not to, but I push the bounds if I take damage, because there isn't a real incentive to land. Might as well take out as much as I can before going down in flames.

Thoughts?

[rabbidrabbit]

Good idea... no clue how to enforce though.

[FrodeMk3]

Actually, excellent ideas, considering how they are striving for some kind of accuracy.

BTW, I was suprised that being in Italy, that we don't see more C.202's or C.205's flying around...

[lutrel]

To be honest, it's no different than the instant respawning GV's we encounter while taking a field; if your willing to inforce it on aircraft, then it's only fair to assume you enforce it on GV's.

[10thmd]

I belive this Idea has some merit, It might help with those pilots who will kill themselfs on a vulch dive  rather than attacking the already  airbourne aircraft:aok

[DmdJJ]

Originally posted by lutrel
To be honest, it's no different than the instant respawning GV's we encounter while taking a field; if your willing to inforce it on aircraft, then it's only fair to assume you enforce it on GV's.

It would be the same if the GV's were coming from another field trying to take yours.
GV's that die defending their field is way different than an aircraft that dive bombs an ememy field then augers, gets another plane and repeats. Apples and Oranges debate, don't even try to compare

[Larry]

They tryed this back in AH1 were you could only die 6 times every hour. It just made people fly up to 20K and only fight when they every advantage.

[Mister Fork]

You can set the time in between deaths to fly, and # of deaths per hour.

If you die 10-15 times in one hour, umm.. sometin's goin on.

How about setting the respawn time between deaths to 5 minutes?

What exactly are you guys hoping to accomplish if we enforce this?

[republic]

How about setting the respawn time between deaths to 5 minutes?

This is not a good idea...  We already have lame goobers who are afraid to fight as it is...this would only encourage that.  Not to mention the fact that attempting to defend an field would be incredibly frustrating, and the fact that it could very well mean 90% of the arena is sitting in towers waiting for a 5 minute timer to expire.

To me, the only way to stop the bomb-bailing is for some squads to actually have some semblance of a code of conduct.  It is generally squads that I've seen using that tactic.  We don't need admin rules to cover every tiny thing, we are adults (some of us) and surely we can govern ourselves to some small extent...this being one of them.  Squadleaders should govern their pilots, and admins should guide the squadleaders as to the "spirit of the arena".

If it becomes a problem, take film and turn it in...end of story.  No need to impose rules on EVERYONE when it's only a handful causing problems.

[heythere]

would you also be willing to enforce a no dive bombing lancaster and B26 rule?  the suicide porkers I've seen have all been in B26s and lancasters.  how about a no 20k spitfires hordes rule?

this thread is silly.

[crockett]

Originally posted by republic
This is not a good idea...  We already have lame goobers who are afraid to fight as it is...this would only encourage that.  Not to mention the fact that attempting to defend an field would be incredibly frustrating, and the fact that it could very well mean 90% of the arena is sitting in towers waiting for a 5 minute timer to expire.

To me, the only way to stop the bomb-bailing is for some squads to actually have some semblance of a code of conduct.  It is generally squads that I've seen using that tactic.  We don't need admin rules to cover every tiny thing, we are adults (some of us) and surely we can govern ourselves to some small extent...this being one of them.  Squadleaders should govern their pilots, and admins should guide the squadleaders as to the "spirit of the arena".

If it becomes a problem, take film and turn it in...end of story.  No need to impose rules on EVERYONE when it's only a handful causing problems.

Yea I'm sure you wouldn't like it, because your squadmates are guality of doing it. I chased two of your squad mates todays whom were porking then runing away. Killed the first one ends up being storch.. Another friendly chased the second and he bailed out rather than get killed. ( I think it was tbarone)

About 15 mins later tbarone comes into a Vbase to get the last remaining troop barrack.. I was close by so I go after him.. He gets the barrick then runs home like a school girl and tries to hide in his ack at his base.

So maybe you should start talking to your own squad.

btw I have film of them, if you like to see.

[lutrel]

Originally posted by DmdJJ
It would be the same if the GV's were coming from another field trying to take yours.
GV's that die defending their field is way different than an aircraft that dive bombs an ememy field then augers, gets another plane and repeats. Apples and Oranges debate, don't even try to compare

I agree whole heartedly, but the key word here is "auger".  But if we are not careful, we will be punishing pilots for honestly getting shot down by ack.

[E25280]

Originally posted by crockett
Yea I'm sure you wouldn't like it, because your squadmates are guality of doing it. I chased two of your squad mates todays whom were porking then runing away. Killed the first one ends up being storch.. Another friendly chased the second and he bailed out rather than get killed.

So, you are saying the accomplished their mission, and you are upset that their mission didn't include fighting you?

[crockett]

Originally posted by E25280
So, you are saying the accomplished their mission, and you are upset that their mission didn't include fighting you?

I'm saying he's on their squad and they are doing what he is complaing about. So I'm saying he should start talking in his own backyard.

[Larry]

Originally posted by crockett
I'm saying he's on their squad and they are doing what he is complaing about. So I'm saying he should start talking in his own backyard.

There something wrong with porking fields? Becuase every time I log on all or dar, troops, ord ect are down and we have to resupplie them. hes talking about the tard who get in bombers climb to 20ft and bomb hangers and such just to then bail out and get more bombers.