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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2008, 11:55:05 AM »
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If towns can have laws banning walmarts, bars, and strip clubs,  Why not recruiting stations?


Why does it continue to escape you that the military is not a business like wal-mart?  It is a constitutionally mandated and federally managed government organization.  In fact, that makes it even more legitimate than the IRS and post office, neither of which is specifically mentioned in the constitution as organizations that MUST be part of our federal government.

The constitution allows for taxation, but does not require it nor specify how this taxation is to occur.  The post office was created by a piece of legislation after the nation was created.  The military however, is explicitly listed as a mandatory organization, the creation and maintenance of which is authorized and REQUIRED.

Your position, and the position of the Berkeley city government, is that the city has the authority to override the government's obligation to raise and maintain military forces.  Simply put, Berkeley doesn't have a say except through their right to attempt to elect officials who are in charge of how the federal government carries out this obligation.
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2008, 11:58:10 AM »
Not to mention a moral obligation to support the liberties they enjoy. Seems they know little about that though.
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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2008, 12:02:26 PM »
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Not to mention a moral obligation to support the liberties they enjoy. Seems they know little about that though.


Never count on a liberal to recognize any moral obligations other than their own, based on the emotional arguments of the day.  It's pretty much their defining characteristic, that their moral obligations are determined entirely on their own personal emotional experiences.  Whether or not excluding lessons of history, real factual evidence, or the opinions of others is deliberate or a side-effect of ignorance (not stupidity, but ignorance... ie. a lack of knowledge) is open to debate.
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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2008, 12:23:20 PM »
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The US Post office provides a local service.   The IRS collect federal taxes.
Berkeley Supports the military  by paying taxes,  It should be their choice if they want a local recruiting station.

They are not making a lay banning people that serve in the military from the city/.


It should be their choice.  But know that as per the 16th ammendment, the Federal Government is under NO obligation to spend any money on Berkeley, regardless of how much or how little the Berkeley tax payers have spent.
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2008, 01:03:20 PM »
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If towns can have laws banning walmarts, bars, and strip clubs,  Why not recruiting stations?


this is where you are wrong, cities cannot ban walmarts, bars, and strip clubs or any other legal business, they can only control the zoning of where the business can go, but they cannot zone the city so that there is no place the business can be put.

cities have tried to zone legal adult businesses out of their cities and lost in court, it's called baning by rezoning or something.

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2008, 01:06:42 PM »
i don't know why the Marines would want to recruit anyone from Berkley, the Marines need men not little girly boys.

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2008, 03:03:35 PM »
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I saw a video of the pink protesters physically blocking the entrance to the USMC office.  If these would have been anti-abortion protesters, they would have been arrested and charged via the RICO act.


http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=41464&comments=1

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2008, 03:21:27 PM »
So Trell,

I'm guessing here but , your probably not going to be doing any military service huh?
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2008, 03:40:54 PM »
RedTop, do you know what an ad-hominem attack is?  I'm not saying that you've crossed that line yet, but you seem to be heading in that direction.
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2008, 03:47:05 PM »
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RedTop, do you know what an ad-hominem attack is?  I'm not saying that you've crossed that line yet, but you seem to be heading in that direction.


:rolleyes:

I just asked....read what ya like in to it.
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2008, 03:55:47 PM »
I think hominems can still sign up, as long as they don't tell anyone:D
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2008, 04:00:15 PM »
I personally feel we would have a better civillian population in our country if it was manditory to serve our nation in one of the armed forces for a term of three years.  Our young men and women would benifit from the experiance of boot camp.  

On the flip side, I'd hate to be the sargeant that had to deal with some of these rejects that would come through; speaking from experiance, there is a lot to be said for our all volunteer force.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2008, 04:04:37 PM »
California - The Land of the Fruits, and Nuts, and the Flakes.

And a few limousine liberals who lack the simple gratitude towards or servicemen and women that common decency would require.

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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2008, 05:35:14 PM »
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http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=41464&comments=1

Had to search for it.


These guys are as stupid as those idiots protesting at funerals. Not nearly as mean but just as stupid.
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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2008, 06:04:11 PM »
See Rule #4, #5
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