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Online Oldman731

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« on: February 12, 2008, 08:55:24 PM »
I have an apology, and two requests.

The apology:  I violated my own personal principles and jumped to a hasty conclusion regarding last night's mass logoff.  There is always a second side to any story.  I rendered my judgment before I heard it (you axis guys don't know this; believe me, I rendered it).  I should know better.

First request:  I'd like the big squad that logged last night to stick with the AvA.

Second request:  Five weeks ago we started off with very positive attitudes on both sides.  A month of competitive combat has changed that for the worse, just a bit.  I would ask everyone who enjoys smack talk to tone it down some.  

Please.

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 09:10:22 PM »
Apology accepted oldman!

My guys really enjoy looking forward to flying in the AvA.  We will return in force on Monday and Tuesday next week on our squad nights, and fly as individuals on rest of the days!

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 09:38:02 PM »
Apology accepted as well!!

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Second request: Five weeks ago we started off with very positive attitudes on both sides. A month of competitive combat has changed that for the worse, just a bit. I would ask everyone who enjoys smack talk to tone it down some.

Please.



I could not agree more.  I will still de-tune 200 though.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 10:08:09 PM »
Apology accepted as well!!

353rd FG really enjoys the AVA and will continue showing up.  We try to make a full appearance and balance the side when needed.
AvA needs more squads and individual precipitating in the arena.  The last act it need is the of disrespect and show boating the turn people away from AVA.   There is no reason that one person or a squad coming in the ava and ruin the events by smack talking and downplay any country, squad or individual.  

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 10:11:28 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 10:29:56 PM »
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Second request:  Five weeks ago we started off with very positive attitudes on both sides.  A month of competitive combat has changed that for the worse, just a bit.  I would ask everyone who enjoys smack talk to tone it down some.  

Please.

- oldman


In the beginning the war was incredible.  It was fun and a completely new way of doing things (at least in the AvA).  Things have gotten sour over the weeks, though I don't think the smack is the problem.  More of a effect rather than the cause.

I guess maybe I'm just not logged in when all this bad smack takes place.  Other than a few jabs at runners (both stangs and 190s) I haven't seen anything in 200 that is anywhere near what I see in the MA on a regular basis, and in fact what I remember seeing in the AvA long ago.  Maybe I'm just not paying attention...i dunno.  I've really never understood why people get so bend out of shape over silly text...  .squelch is the answer.

I look forward to what the staff has for us next.  I can imagine this war scenario has been a handful to deal with, and I'm thankful that the AvA staff has taken the time to do this for us.  It was very interesting to see how the commander's choices effected that week's battle.  The initial 190's vs Spit9 was an experience that really made me start working on my tactics.  Playing AH for awhile you can get into a rut, that Spit vs 190 week got me out of that rut lol.

I've never seen more amazing squad operations.  The allies really kicked it off with their SBD/C47 raids, and the Axis perfected it with the Fin/Rus blitzkrieg.  (of course I have to show an axis bias..I'm JG-54, its the way we roll).

Though we've had our trouble (milkrunners) the staff was quick to put measures in place to correct the problems.  You've suffered whines on both sides, and been criticized for every decision.  And Sometimes i think you all favor the allies...but I know the axis is really your secret favorite.  :lol

Anyhow a hearty to the AvA Staff.  I'll send a box of our finest bratwurst.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 01:47:34 AM »
Smack talk, however you redefine it, may not seem destructive to the old AvA hands but when new people come in, they're also looking to sample change in the infamous attitudes of the AvA players. If an enjoyable atmosphere isn't presented where cartoon enemies can still be friendly or at least civil toward one another, they'll go back to the MA or wait for the next SEA event where this kind of behavior isn't tolerated. Bullies, even harmless ones, aren't needed in any arena IMHO, and it will take many months before the AvA can shake off it's reputation, even if the insults could be instantly squelched.

This war experiment is only in it's 4th week and there are still many players who'll never try it until they start hearing better things about the player attitude in here, including on these boards. As yet there is still too much disrespect to justify a change in the AvA players' reputation, which is a shame considering all the effort the staff has already put in and how far the community as a whole has come.

Is the game about ruining the other guys sortie, you bet. Is there dweebery, sure. If it were an SEA event, there would be penalties. The AvA is an open arena with the minimum of supervision, it relies on peer pressure, but it's perceived as an agenda when it's across country channel, so save the "advice and training". The old hands need to show their new teammates how it's supposed to be done, why bomb and bail, or running, or chasing for 4 sectors is pointless when you could dive into a fight, even if only figuratively.

lol, I wasn't even going to post but I guess I got wound up.

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 08:45:01 AM »
I guess I just don't get it.  Since I joined AH a little over 2 years ago, I've played in the AvA.  I've been solo, and in 2 different squads.  I've never felt threatened by 200 speak or any of the various personalities that have come and gone out of the AvA.

Who are these smacktalkers who are ruining the game?
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 09:22:52 AM »
Smack-talk is a form of boast or insult commonly heard in competitive situations (such as sports events). It is often used to intimidate the opposition, but can also be used in a humorous spirit. Smack-talk is often characterized by hyperbolic, figurative language, e.g., "Your team can't run! You run like honey on ice!" Puns and other wordplay are commonly used. However, citing information about a rival's weaknesses would not be characterized as Smack-talk, but could be described as a "discussion topic"

Sounds to me like normal conversation on AVA. maybe if everyone just shut off 200 it wouldnt really matter. Me personally, im trying to get better at the game, i dont need to listen to peoples talk, good, bad or indifferent.

i think its funny how people take this so seriously and thats great, if thats your thing. my thing is to fly and have fun. whether beating up the opposition or getting waxed by someone with skills much better then mine. mostly i get waxed, but i get right back up there. my sheep entourage keeps me motivated.

remember boys and girls, its a game. either have fun or grow a thicker skin and stop whining. only girly men whine.

lets all just have a good time and thank the lord we live in a country where we have the right to whine whenever we want to.

just my 2 cents.........

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 09:25:41 AM »
Who? That's kinda like the question when, :) you can't answer on the boards and if you did you'd be contributing to the problem. :huh

Point is, if you get a Private text from the CM or a Warning from the system, it's you, if not, well I guess you're not the worst offender at the moment.;)
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 10:44:08 AM »
I agree about smack talk. It is a pity that some people are weak minded and devoid of the confidence to deal with a video game.  The sad fact is they are what they are and their lack of self assurance is often justified.

Psychological dominance is a huge factor in any game (in fact all of life) but, by all means, if someone can't deal with that part of the game they shouldn't have to. If they don't like being shoot at then we shouldn't do that either and if they have to be successful to be happy we should let them win and congratulate them for their prowess.

Some might believe that rules regarding communication should be limited to the 7 "dirty" words and terms of racial, ethnic or religious derision. Why stop there? We should disallow any communication that isn't welcomed by the recipient or anyone else tuned in.

That being said, let it be known that I find all nice, happy talk, congratulatory, faux blather repulsive and insulting. It should not be allowed. Unless, of coarse, my preferences are some how less valid than anyone else's........
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 12:05:25 PM »
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Unless, of coarse, my preferences are some how less valid than anyone else's........

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 12:17:36 PM »
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I agree about smack talk. It is a pity that some people are weak minded and devoid of the confidence to deal with a video game.  The sad fact is they are what they are and their lack of self assurance is often justified.

Psychological dominance is a huge factor in any game (in fact all of life) but, by all means, if someone can't deal with that part of the game they shouldn't have to. If they don't like being shoot at then we shouldn't do that either and if they have to be successful to be happy we should let them win and congratulate them for their prowess.

Some might believe that rules regarding communication should be limited to the 7 "dirty" words and terms of racial, ethnic or religious derision. Why stop there? We should disallow any communication that isn't welcomed by the recipient or anyone else tuned in.

That being said, let it be known that I find all nice, happy talk, congratulatory, faux blather repulsive and insulting. It should not be allowed. Unless, of coarse, my preferences are some how less valid than anyone else's........



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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2008, 12:20:21 PM »
Never mind, I'll pass on this one.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2008, 12:28:37 PM »
Guys, I suggest not allowing your selves to be drawn into the gutter with the persons running their mouths.  We are having a blast flying our squad nights in the AvA; yes, we see a lot of trash talk on channel 200, but do not acknowledge any of it.  

The trash talk takes place in all the arenas from what I have seen and it's just a part of having so many folks in the sim; your bound to have a percentage of young guys that can't control them selves.  Like I said guys, the War coming to the AvA is the best thing that could of happened to the arena; turn a blind eye to the kiddies and press on with the war effort.  
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