Author Topic: Intellectualist Elitists are anti-American and we just ain't a-gonna take it no more! (Read 3611 times)

Yeager · « **Reply #105 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:03:11 PM »

oh, I dont know.....on the entertainment scale I wold give this thread a 7 out of 10, and that aint bad.

Yeager · « **Reply #106 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:04:25 PM »

no attack bro, just feeling sorry for ya, sort of

MORAY37 · « **Reply #107 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:04:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
moray I think your taking yourself too seriosuly, again

As well, in a post dealing with education, or lack thereof, your post is somewhat amusing.

Seriously.

MORAY37 · « **Reply #108 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:05:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
no attack bro, just feeling sorry for ya, sort of

Sorry for me?

That's incredibly elitist, and I scoff at you.

Yeager · « **Reply #109 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:34:58 PM »

I fart in your general direction!

BlauK · « **Reply #110 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:38:40 PM »

Very entertaining and educating thread, especially all the fencing with words

Thanks for starting it, Arlo.
However, being a foreigner, I must disqualify myself from participating in this kind of internal discussion. Keep it going. All the delicious argumentation is well appreciated

VOR · « **Reply #111 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:40:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Heh. Quite honestly, I presented the article neutrally and hoped it could inspire fair exchange (silly me).

This is either untrue or your attention span is too short.

If it was your intent to "inspire fair exchange", you'd presumably want to participate in it. It appears that you spent most of your time poking the chimps thru the bars, though. The chimp response was pretty predictable and you certainly knew what to expect of them, so "inspiring fair exchange" is an unlikely motive considering how easily distracted you were by all the screeching and howling (silly you). Of course, you could have changed your mind mid-stride, but an intelligent guy interested in "inspiring fair exchange" wouldn't probably get so easily distracted by the obvious and decide to poke the chimps in lieu of pursuing the "meaningful exchange" he wanted to inspire.

That leaves option A (untrue statement) as the only possibility. Admit it: you wanted to poke the chimps. Just admit it.

I know I'm right. I've seen the "Messin' with Sasquatch" t.v. ads.

Sadist!

SteveBailey · « **Reply #112 on:** February 19, 2008, 05:08:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Well, if you feel compelled to participate but you're limited in how much you can contribute, do your best.

I can contribute cookies. My wife makes great cookies.

Arlo · « **Reply #113 on:** February 19, 2008, 06:13:50 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
This is either untrue or your attention span is too short.

Well ... while you're accusing me of either being a liar, mistaken in premise or having ADD (or a combination thereof) try trotting back through the thread and looking for my lack of topical participation again. May not be mine (or lack of mine) you find. Then we'll go back over definitions and righteousness.

Arlo · « **Reply #114 on:** February 19, 2008, 06:15:38 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I can contribute cookies. My wife makes great cookies.

So .... your wife can contribute the cookies. Well, I might suggest leaving your wife's cookies out of this knowing the crowd. Carry on.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #115 on:** February 19, 2008, 06:28:40 PM »

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Originally posted by MORAY37

That is the problem with the "dumbing of america". You get all the strength of an opinion founded in free will, without the baseline of knowledge with which to develope a sound, reasoned judgement.

Your posting, in general, is indicative of such.

It's no use. Every once in a while I come back here to just to re-affirm what I already know.

I actually read Yeager say something to the effect of 'I don't see what has been wrong with Bush's foreign policy during his presidency'.

I mean, you know, where do you start with that? It's impossible. You could try and show him Tom Clancy's book that he did with General Zinni (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5053682/) and say 'ok, seriously, when Tom Clancy says the war was mishandled, and Rummy was an idiot, and the planning that went into it was horrific, and the whole pulling Saddam out of a hole, giving him a show trial, keeping western reporters away from him so he doesn't tell everyone how the CIA backed his use of gas on the Iranians, how the way oil is REALLY controlled, and instead hang him right away to shut him up - even if you discard that and just look at what Clancy and Zinni say about how the occupation was handled, how de-bathification was a disaster, and just go into fact after fact and link after link - they don't care.

Death continue at a steady rate, the major groups within Iraq can't ratify a constitution, and the car bombs and mortar shells just keep coming. The death toll goes up, with little progress made at restoring infrastructure. But these guys will start a thread here from some Marine on the ground who says 'the surge worked', and 'we're turning the tide'.

No. You're not.

They'll just discredit the source, if it's marginally less than wingnutty. They still think Global Warming is a myth.

You say, ok - well the International Panel on Climate Change - it is conducted by the UN and FORCED, FORCED mind you - the Bush administration to accept that climate change was real (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html) and you say, ok there you have it - all respected world scientists agree with 90% confidence this is pretty much going along just as Gore said it would.

Nope. All liberal claptrap to the guys here. Just fancy book learnin by dem schoolboy elites.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #116 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:09:14 PM »

Didthatsentenceseemtoruntoget herorwasitjustme?

MORAY37 · « **Reply #117 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:11:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
I fart in your general direction!

I'm wearing 80 cubics on my back. (SCUBA) Fart away, makes no difference.

moot · « **Reply #118 on:** February 19, 2008, 08:21:07 PM »

Trax,

The VSE is already slow, and full of questionable details. First of all the program's been underfunded since it was announced... Then, there's problems with what's actualy been done.
The Ares oscillation issue you might've heard isn't as bad as the media might make it sound, but it is one more setback that the program's been going through.
e.g. Why a completely new rocket for Orion when TitanV is enough for Bigelow?

There's such doubts about the whole Constellation program that a group of experts recently got together at Stanford to come up with a new plan to suggest to the next pres. You can look that up for details, my browser wiped the reply I'd whipped up and I'm not patient enough to redo all that.

Obama says he wants to "slow" VSE funding by five years for school and social services funding (btw how has that worked out so far - throwing cash at the edu. system?). He said so around Xmas and again around the Iowa caucus. He's got a space plan speech but I honestly don't have the patience to read it.. It's a politician's speech and I feel like I'm in front of the TV getting my brain cells put to sleep

E.g. I skimmed it and it doesn't seem forthcoming and transparent enough to just say "No AresV support". AresV isn't even mentionned in there.
With the already existing problems, this would very likely mean no NASA human spaceflight after the Shuttle retires, for a few years.
It would also very likely delay the Moon trips at least as much... That's the direct effects, other effects like what happens to all the experienced people who don't even get to pass on everything they've learned because of that five year gap... All this to grab a fraction of the 1% budget.

The tradeoff between a tiny fraction of a fraction of the whole budget (diverted in a way that's been known not to work), vs a gaping hole in the VSE or whatever replaces it (and NASA to no small extent) isn't worth it.

Nothing beyond LEO for how much longer? A decade or two, or three? For less than 1% of the budget? WTF is he smoking?
Apparently McCain is the best space supporter of the candidates left. Might be a tiny consolation prize for everything else he looks set to screw up.

lazs2 · « **Reply #119 on:** February 20, 2008, 08:56:49 AM »

soo.. arlo and moray do not agree with me that the current educational system is the main culprit in the dumbing of America?

I am not surprised. That would mean not being a good democrat.. hurting the poor saintly teachers and their union and not allowing poor and illegal children any "opportunity"..

It would mean vouchers. it would mean that you stop blaming the parents and for what kids learn in school and blame the people who are supposed to be teaching them.. who are the highest paid part time workers as a group...who have the kids for most of their productive hours of the day.

moray says that I am unable to reason.. to collect data and come to a reasoned opinion.. what he means is that we both look at data and he uses the data that he likes to form his opinion and that I do the same.. both of us use sources that are much more informed and educated on the subject than either of us and are roughly equal but...

lazs