Author Topic: Intellectualist Elitists are anti-American and we just ain't a-gonna take it no more!  (Read 3612 times)

Offline lazs2

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sheesh.. you guys are talking about higher math and philosophy and ignoring the fact that the teachers are teaching down to kids who don't even speak english.  who only work 6 months a year and whose classrooms resemble a riot more than anything else.

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No doubt the dumbing of America is a fact.  I blame both parents and the gubmint-run public education system (or teachers, if you will).  Both should be attacking popular culture, endless political correctness, victim mentalities and the real racism - rationalization for unacceptable conduct, low scholastic performance, and a performance bar that is continually being lowered.  but they don't.

The  Kansas City experience is relevant regarding the folly of just throwing money at the problem of differences in achievement  among different groups - in effect trying to affect change from the outside-in rather than the inside-out.

I know from my own personal observation, when we allowed my 12 year old daughter to go to a magnet school where she would be one of a small handful of white kids, so-called magnet schools, at least in Florida, are a total flop as to their intended purpose.  

Driving her to school one morning I saw a large black man wearing a totally purple suit, purple shirt, purple pants, with a purple felt super-fly hat complete with a feather, and glossy purple paten-leather shoes, walking kids across the  intersection.  This is not an exaggeration.  I said to my kid - "Hey check that out!"  She said, oh that's Mr. So and So, he's the principle.  He thinks he's a fashion dude."

My daughter is a delightful kid.  Warm hearted, always cheerful, very outgoing chatterbox - a social butterfly.  Her name is Brookie.  Almost all the black kids loved her - she quickly got a nickname - "Lil' B."  My daughter's black girlfriends always protected her from aggressive foul mouthed young black males.  One time, they beat the living crap out of a kid who tried to grab my daughter - they took their shoes off and beat the snot out the kid with them.  My daughter learned more foul language in the first day at that school than she had ever heard in her previous 12 years of life.

School orientation and subsequent visits to the school were a total joke.  Almost all the teachers were black, and I'm guessing they must have attended colleges with special admissions programs for minorities.  Any time you visited the school, events were poorly planned, mass confusion, parents walking around in circles trying to follow incorrect directions to classrooms, and worst of all, teachers speaking ebonics.  

Notes to home from the teachers very often had misspelled words.  This magnet school was a total disappointment even though my kid did well and adjusted well.   This particular magnet school went from a "D" rating overall to an "F" rating for the school year, which according to the rules, allowed my daughter to switch to any other school in the county if she wished.  So she now goes to a high rated school in a white part of town.

I still call her "Lil' B", though.  :)
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I put my grand daughter in catholic school.

The level she is learning at is at least on par with what it was 50 years ago.  she is pretty much learning at a level 2 or more grades higher than the public schools around her.

Soooooo..  can anyone figure out what the problem with the dumbing of America might be?

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I can't help but smirk while reading this thread.  The irony of hypocrisy almost always amuses me.

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Originally posted by lazs2
comes down to socialist schools in the end don't it?   teach down to the dumbest.. make it so schools get paid by the head and by attendance and this is what you get.

make sure those teachers get more and more money for working less hours tho... new holidays and teachers days and yoga days.

lazs


I completely agree.  From what I remember of grammar school, they STARTED to separate us in 5th grade for Math.  It really wasn't until 7th grade that we were fully split up for everything based off of skill.


But could you imagine the Yuppie Uproar that would be caused by telling them that their kid is slightly smarter then a brick?
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Soooooo.. can anyone figure out what the problem with the dumbing of America might be?

lazs


I'm gonna stick my neck out here.  Maybe we should take foolish people out of responsible positions that oversee education.  It is a daunting job tho - you are dealing with the NEA, if memory serves, and they are almost as powerful as the auto unions who have met the end of their useful existence.

Socialism failed wherever it was tried.        

It is outragious that a Socialist group has such sway over our kids.  Register me as an enemy of the NEA.

I would like the NEA to explain their failures in Detroit.
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Good article. Thanks for posting it. I can't agree with 100% of it 100% of the time, but it addresses a painful truth and calls it what it is.

Somewhere along the way of (supposedly) not telling us what to think, the "system" forgot to teach us how to think. I didn't even know what a logical fallacy was until my early 30s. That's a shame. On the bright side, it's never too late to start.

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I dont buy any of this crap.  

Its all just more media garbage.  

Look around you, are the people you associate with idiots and dolts, crackheads and thieves?  Or are you simply one of those supremely gifted ultra-talented humans that have a high number of liberal arts majors as your inner clique of super-informed mega-brained friends?

Again, Garbage.  Its all garbage.  

Now......if the people you associate with do not have a high school education, are in their 30s and smoke crack for fun, then you are probably right where you deserve to be, but the vast majority of us are intelligent hard working people with families and have a life long approach to education.

Some of you guys seem over eager to get tooled by media bull*****.
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Originally posted by lazs2
comes down to socialist schools in the end don't it?   teach down to the dumbest.. make it so schools get paid by the head and by attendance and this is what you get.

make sure those teachers get more and more money for working less hours tho... new holidays and teachers days and yoga days.

lazs


Leave it to Laz to add two plus two and proudly claim it equals whatever his agenda tells him it does in this thread too. :D

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I can't help but smirk while reading this thread.  The irony of hypocrisy almost always amuses me.

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I'm sure you can find whatever you want to if you look hard enough but apparently you have a tough time explaining it sufficiently. :D

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My thanks to all the outraged defensives standing up to be counted. :)

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The article reads like we are returning to the middle ages in regard to the education of the masses. But this time around it's not the Catholic Church controling access to knowlege. If I'm not mistaken, this time around they are worried themselves that we are falling back into an uneducated dark ages.

Since it's not the evil christians controling knowlege this round of history ....who's the evil at bat this time???
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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I'm sure you can find whatever you want to if you look hard enough but apparently you have a tough time explaining it sufficiently. :D


Perhaps someone will point it out to you.

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I'm sure you can find whatever you want to if you look hard enough but apparently you have a tough time explaining it sufficiently. :D


Perhaps you are just having a tough time grasping the explanation. :)
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Perhaps someone will point it out to you.


And it looks like it won't be you anytime soon. :D