Author Topic: Intellectualist Elitists are anti-American and we just ain't a-gonna take it no more! (Read 3616 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #60 on:** February 18, 2008, 06:17:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
Perhaps you are just having a tough time grasping the explanation.

Or you.

So ..... heh.

Must be a mutual "feel good" claim of hypocricy.

Motherland · « **Reply #61 on:** February 18, 2008, 06:27:50 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
comes down to socialist schools in the end don't it? teach down to the dumbest.. make it so schools get paid by the head and by attendance and this is what you get.

make sure those teachers get more and more money for working less hours tho... new holidays and teachers days and yoga days.

lazs

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sheesh.. you guys are talking about higher math and philosophy and ignoring the fact that the teachers are teaching down to kids who don't even speak english. who only work 6 months a year and whose classrooms resemble a riot more than anything else.

lazs

August to June=/=6 months...

Your 'yoga days' dont quite work either. In my area, many 'minor' holidays that students have off, are called 'In service days'-which means the students have off, but teachers have to go to plan lessons and grade papers and such.
And, Im not sure what schools your going off of, but most schools have something called an ESL (English as a Second Language) class for kids who dont speak English.

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I completely agree. From what I remember of grammar school, they STARTED to separate us in 5th grade for Math. It really wasn't until 7th grade that we were fully split up for everything based off of skill.

But could you imagine the Yuppie Uproar that would be caused by telling them that their kid is slightly smarter then a brick?

Same here-was put in 'advanced' 'class' with a few other select students in fifth grade. In sixth grade (and, going from that into 7th and 8th grade) everyone took a test to get their class placement. Depending on how well you scored, you either took the grade level math (for example, in 8th grade its Algebra), or the next grade level's math (in 8th grade, you would take Geometry in this instance-which you would normally take in 9th grade). If you did VERY well you would take 2 or 3 years advanced math (Algebra II, trigonometry, etc.) If you do very poorly, you would be tutored, but for the most part the people who do poorly it doesnt matter as they dont care in the first place (thus they wont learn no matter how much they are tutored).

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I put my grand daughter in catholic school.

The level she is learning at is at least on par with what it was 50 years ago. she is pretty much learning at a level 2 or more grades higher than the public schools around her.

Soooooo.. can anyone figure out what the problem with the dumbing of America might be?

lazs

Thats interesting. I know a LOT of people from Catholic schools and the curriculum pretty well matches up with what we're learning (infact, in math especially, its mirrored). In past years I've actually had people transfer from the local Catholic school to my middle school.

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Soooooo.. can anyone figure out what the problem with the dumbing of America might be?

Probably the fact that the current generation has not been taught to care about their education.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #62 on:** February 18, 2008, 07:06:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Or you.

So ..... heh.

Must be a mutual "feel good" claim of hypocricy.

Toad · « **Reply #63 on:** February 18, 2008, 07:39:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Do you?

In fact I do.

However, I think you might want to review the BBS rules, this one in particular:

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17- Threads started devoid of commentary will not be allowed (i.e. links, cut-n-pastes, clicky, read this...)

Arlo · « **Reply #64 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:15:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
In fact I do.

However, I think you might want to review the BBS rules, this one in particular:

So ... having shared mine by now ... you're avoiding sharing yours yet complaining I didn't initially do so becauuuuuuse ..... ?

Regarding the BBS lawyering .... did you get busted on that once? The only reason I can fathom for bruised feelings over this thread, it's nature or anything else without actually participating beyond that specific whine yerownself. Guilty! Turn me in!

Vulcan · « **Reply #65 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:39:17 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
comes down to socialist schools in the end don't it? teach down to the dumbest.. make it so schools get paid by the head and by attendance and this is what you get.

make sure those teachers get more and more money for working less hours tho... new holidays and teachers days and yoga days.

lazs

Have to agree with lazs on this, from personal experience when I was in secondary school (ages 13-17ish). I started at an all-boys school with graded classes, ie smart cards go in the smart class, dumb kids go in the dumb class, it was an excellent learning experience. Half way through secondary school my father got transfered and I ended up in what lazs would term a co-ed 'socialist' school', no grading of classes, if you were above the level of education being dished out then you were on your own.

After 6 months I decided to teach myself and push ahead. It made a big dffierence imho in the results I came out with.

The difference in the teachers was noticable too, the 'socialist' school teachers were only interesting in pushing their beliefs on you. Whereas the all-boys school teachers were more interested in helping you learn and make decisions for yourself.

Since then I believe most NZ schools have gone downhill towards this socialist style and our education system is pretty poor now. It is also well known that the education system specifically works around hitting numbers that make it look good on paper, especially when compared internationally.

Finally a couple of my larger clients are schools, one with over 20000 students (big for this place), and the teachers there *SCARE* me.

Arlo · « **Reply #66 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:55:03 PM »

And to think ..... the true nature of this thread/article didn't center around the political hotspot topic of public schools.

Even if it did ... the public school system, itself, isn't the culprit regarding the unfortunate and steady drop in practical critical thought in this country. Remember .... Bush .... Yale education .... about as smart as a pothole. The culprit is the focus of the article. It doesn't matter that the sun doesn't revolve around the earth or you can't find Canada on a map ... all that matters is prayer in schools, fighting terrorism by waging war on it until it magically disappears in a century or two and shooting people on sight for lighting up a flag. It ... just ... doesn't ... matter!

sluggish · « **Reply #67 on:** February 18, 2008, 09:07:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
First, I wholeheartedly recommend proper attribution of quotes as well as the context behind their formation. Secondly, the can of worms this quote entails seems oblivious to you. But just to make it a certainty let's see how you think it properly applies by starting here:

Do you believe in moral legislation? If so by what group or individual enforcing what code of morals on what group that doesn't apparently have them? Bear in mind that history provides all sorts of examples. Upon review and in such context is your above used "quote" anything more than a randomly applied or biased one?

My god. The only word I can think of to describe you is smarmy. You wear your elitism on your sleeve. Your preconceived notion of superiority is obvious. Do you wallow here in this cesspool of ignorance to enlighten us or to reinforce your feelings of self-righteousness?

Arlo · « **Reply #68 on:** February 18, 2008, 09:54:16 PM »

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Originally posted by sluggish
My god. The only word I can think of to describe you is smarmy. You wear your elitism on your sleeve. Your preconceived notion of superiority is obvious. Do you wallow here in this cesspool of ignorance to enlighten us or to reinforce your feelings of self-righteousness?

Obvious? Heh. Let me give you a prime example of obvious:

"Elitism! Waaaaaaa!"

*Sproing* You just said the magic word. Project that righteous indignation while presenting the perfect example to support what the article asserted.

Toad · « **Reply #69 on:** February 18, 2008, 10:18:40 PM »

Arlo, I've been a bit too busy for the bbs lately.

I scan it now and again and noticed that once again you throw something out without offering an opinion. As others debate, you continue to ask more questions without really adding much if anything of your own opinion.

You may think you are Socrates himself but what you are doing is the very definition of trolling.

Ask Skuzzy if you doubt my evaluation.

Arlo · « **Reply #70 on:** February 18, 2008, 10:41:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Arlo, I've been a bit too busy for the bbs lately.

I scan it now and again and noticed that once again you throw something out without offering an opinion. As others debate, you continue to ask more questions without really adding much if anything of your own opinion.

You may think you are Socrates himself but what you are doing is the very definition of trolling.

Ask Skuzzy if you doubt my evaluation.

Well heck ... your evaluation is duly noted and properly filed. Carry on if you got nuthin' else.

Yeager · « **Reply #71 on:** February 18, 2008, 10:53:58 PM »

Arlo, your an intellectual of sorts. What do you think of Barack Obama as a potential President? Not compared to anyone else.

Arlo · « **Reply #72 on:** February 18, 2008, 11:27:29 PM »

Hmmm ... no comparisons. I think he has potential. Vision. The ability to inspire and motivate. The desire for change. Granted, "conservatives" said the same thing about W ... and they apparently didn't need practical comparisons to come to their conclusions, either. I'm thinking comparisons ... and realistic ones ... are a necessity. But everyone's opinion on realistic comparison and positive attributes vary.

Do you see potential in Obama ... no comparisons in the way?

Yeager · « **Reply #73 on:** February 19, 2008, 12:05:52 AM »

I do think he has potential, but I worry about his stance on the 2nd amendment and I worry about his overall lack of experience which I believe is important.

He is a smart guy with an even smarter woman by his side, but like liberals worried about Bush, I wonder who will be controlling Obama if he gains the seat of President.

Arlo · « **Reply #74 on:** February 19, 2008, 12:15:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
I do think he has potential, but I worry about his stance on the 2nd amendment and I worry about his overall lack of experience which I believe is important.

He is a smart guy with an even smarter woman by his side, but like liberals worried about Bush, I wonder who will be controlling Obama if he gains the seat of President.

I don't see Obama quite the patsy. And experience, regarding the position, is always gained on the job. However, I will be interested to see who he proposes as a running mate and possibly his considerations for cabinet positions. It's never just a one man job. We've seen that.