Intellectualist Elitists are anti-American and we just ain't a-gonna take it no more!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by VOR
An expensive education is not evidence of a person having been well-educated.  

Most of the so called intellectuals are self proclaimed anyway.
Some of the ones who I have seen that spent Mommy and Daddy`s retirement and second mortgage on being a career student couldn`t poor piss out a boot with directions on the bottom. Useless as teats on a boar hog when it comes to common sense. (Some more of them ole down home sayings )
Others who line their walls with different degrees, etc. end up doing make do work that amounts to zilch.
An education is one thing. Actually putting it use and having a reason for what you are studying is another entirely .
Most of the everyday problems that are solved and the most needed inventions, etc. are accomplished by your everyday Joe who sees a problem or has a goal and goes for it.

[lazs2]

well..  when I was in school they divided the classes into three groups.. one was  "advanced" one was normal and one was for the dummies.

Might have hurt the dummies feelings but.. they/we didn't drag the rest of the class down.

arlo worries that this thread isn't going the way he likes.. the teachers here get defensive and make some outrageous claims (for kalifornia anyway) about how private and public schools are the same.  

Fact is.. it is about schools.. we were not smarter or better in our schools of 40 years ago or more...  it was a different school system tho.

In kalifornia the public schools get paid by the head.   there are many many non, or little english speakers..  all this takes time away from the bright kids.

They still do have some advanced classes but not every one.. the bright kids still get mixed in with the dummies and illegals and waste many hours of the day.

I go to pick up my grand daughter.. it is a well behaved and happy group at the the catholic school with respect for the teachers.. I have to pick up one of her friends at the public school.. it is a zoo.. the kids talk.. her friend is learning at dummy level.

as for the 6 months.. it is 6 months that teachers teach if you count the real time they spend... holidays and short days and the "break" every 50 minutes.

in any case.. they are by far the highest paid part time workers I have ever seen except consultants maybe.  

So long as we let democrats tell us that we don't need vouchers and that it is wrong to not put illegals and idiots and troublemakers in school...  we will have a continued dummy of America..   no nasa or any abstract silliness will change that.

People aren't different..  the way they are taught sure is tho.  the people doing the teaching are too.  

lazs

[trax1]

Originally posted by moot
He wants to cut cut space development for education.  Can someone make sense of that?

NASA is a tiny proportion of the budget, so why cut it when 1) you can get bigger returns by actualy reshaping the existing educational system into something efficient, 2) you need some goal for education to lead kids to.
Cutting a measly 1% program such as NASA isn't worth the absence of something that inspires those kids along their way, nor the loss of american leadership in the field (already happening, nevermind with even less funds), nor the industry that benefits and depends from it.

Then, he's also well connected with some usual suspects like Soro... or I forgot the exact names. He looks like just another corrupt professional crowd pleaser.  
Worse still if he's stuck in the Left/Right bipartisan mindset that'll have him mirror whatever the party does, and bias himself not for what's constitutional and whatever actualy works, but whatever goes against the Republicans.

Moot where did you hear about this?  I'd really like to read it, I feel the same way as you, cutting NASA's budget is a really bad idea, there's alot of potential from things we can learn about from space, cutting it's budget is just the wrong thing, if anything it's budget needs to be increased, currently I believe they only get around 14-16 billion a year, we probably spend that in Iraq in a month.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Arlo
So, sweetcheeks .... you're just flashing your brains to tease me? Heh.

I'd rather talk about yummy milk and cookies than exchange friendly little jabs.

[Jackal1]

Would the owner of the red leather purse ,with the braided strap, please claim it at the concession stand please?

[Yeager]

I suspect that as we approach the election, and obama will need to articulate "with more clarity" the changes that would happen to america under his rule, we will see his ratings decline in proportion to the clarity he provides.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Yeager
I suspect that as we approach the election, and obama will need to articulate "with more clarity" the changes that would happen to america under his rule, we will see his ratings decline in proportion to the clarity he provides.

No one is going to make Obama clarify his position.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2


Soooooo..  can anyone figure out what the problem with the dumbing of America might be?

lazs

I can point to the fact that people such as yourself, are unable to put serious, complex thought into any given issue.

You are governed by your opinion, which, you have been told is as real as the next person's, and therefore you put as much weight on it as proveable facts.  (of which it is completely different)

That is the problem with the "dumbing of america".  You get all the strength of an opinion founded in free will, without the baseline of knowledge with which to develope a sound, reasoned judgement.

Your posting, in general, is indicative of such.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lazs2
arlo worries that this thread isn't going the way he likes..  

As usual, you presume too much. This thread seems fine. Even with your obsessive compulsion to sprinkle your personal agenda on it to taste.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'd rather talk about yummy milk and cookies than exchange friendly little jabs.

Well, if you feel compelled to participate but you're limited in how much you can contribute, do your best.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Yeager
I suspect that as we approach the election, and obama will need to articulate "with more clarity" the changes that would happen to america under his rule, we will see his ratings decline in proportion to the clarity he provides.

Didn't affect Bush's support one bit. And Obama actually seems more clear at this point in his campaign than the POTUS still seems at this point in his last term. Will it be nice to see the vision turn out to be a practical plan? Sure. Hillary has a detailed shopping/housecleaning list from what I've seen. But Obama inspires .... and seems more than willing to listen to those who have the experience and skills to do the jobs he'll delegate without micromanaging or letting a "good ol boys" agenda group influence. I don't see your dire prediction coming to fruition. (Steve, did I use "fruition" correctly? Spell it right? Thanks.)

Still beside the point of the article, though (in spite of some of the examples provided in it.)

[MORAY37]

Arlo..

Seriously.... this thread is bound to spiral to the ground on this particular bbs.  

3/4 of the respondents are more concerned about their guns than their brains.

Anyhow, good luck with watching the rocks around you overturn as they crawl out.

Idea for your next thread.. "Evolution...From Bonobo to Barney Fife".  You'll get the same respondents spewing the same vehement opinions.

[Yeager]

moray I think your taking yourself too seriosuly, again

[Arlo]

Heh. Quite honestly, I presented the article neutrally and hoped it could inspire fair exchange (silly me). So far I've had Toad having a cow because my opinion (later alluded to ... and not cryptically ... throughout the thread) wasn't clear enough from the start and therefore a rules violation (I suspect he has sore toes over from having been nicked on such before) .... Laz condemning socialism ... a couple of individuals screaming "Elitist!" at the top of their lungs (providing the perfect example for the article) and Steve calling me a poser (intellectual) for posting and not being as arrogant about my educational background as he occasionally feels prone to be.

All in all it's been fairly ... typical.

I don't generally start threads. I've had folks complain about that too. Well .... of course you can't make everyone happy. But that wasn't what this was about, either.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Yeager
moray I think your taking yourself too seriosuly, again

Attack away.  I'm used to it.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.