I'll probably get some flak from this

[Wingnutt]

Originally posted by FiLtH
Maybe even multiple goons in flight escorted by fighters to make it in

there in lies the OTHER side if the "gamey" aspect of missions..

if A goon is spotted, its dead.. no matter how many fighters are escorting it, the enemy will just plunge in with reckless abandon after the goon, knowing it means sure death for the attacker is of no consequence in this game, as he can be back in the air a few seconds after he dies..

thats a BIG part of why base taking missions are so "gamey" because the defenders are JUST as, if not more gamey than the attackers..

up LA7 streak across deck and auger blazing away at goon.. if ya miss, or get shot down do it over and over again..


you could try a more realistic mission, come in at altitude and have each goon escorted by 10 fighters.. wouldent make the slightest difference.. as soon as an enemy spots them.. they are dead..  sure the guy attacking will die.. be he doesent care, he just wants to get the goon, and if he misses, he will just re-up and do it again, and again..

[kamilyun]

Originally posted by ROX
Please come knight and join one.

We see PLENTY of enemy.

Seriously....join one....you will see how blind your post was.

What so he can get called a spy and muted?

[Carwash]

Originally posted by ghi

 i would vote for:

  1.--  HQ  destroyed---> lose radar 30 min without resup option.

  2.--  HQ+City destroyed over 90%, (doesn't matter how many bases each team owns)-->  lose war,map reset, game over.

  3.--Hillary

I'm voting Obama.  I want someone that unites the country.  I want change. I want a president that is well spoken.  Past that I can't think of a single reason to vote for him.

[BaldEagl]

Last week I saw a friendly GV base flashing but no dar bar or dots.  I rushed over there and jumped into external view in the tower... no incoming vehicles.  I jumped into an Osite and rolled out of the hanger, positioning myself to watch the maproom and all three hangers.

Here they came in 110's (there might have also been one LA).  Four in total.

I killed all four then heard a goon landing.  He was off the base behind a hedgerow.  I was tracked but could just see the tip of his tail and the tip of his nose.  I took off the tail.  No kill.  I hit the nose and got the kill.

It was the BG's.  I killed 'em all

Let them have their fun... I'm having mine!

[humble]

Originally posted by ROX
After running alot of missions lately...I ditched the Mossies (they are flak magnets) and replaced the 110's with 190-A8's with 30mm.

NIK1s are fun....they have cannon and can take some ords.

Funny....some folks are making light of the Alliance Missions....it's amazing how they can't counter them.

Basically no different then the old rook alliance, just a matter of winding up the horde....regardless of the chess piece. It was, is and always will be the lowest common denominator of game play IMO. Anybodt can be "good" in a horde.

A true mission is 4-6 people working in concert along a fluid but contested front vs roughly comparable numbers. It's the ability to gain maximum effect from limited resources without stripping assets away from an already contested number. As for the other 99% of the "mizzions" regardless of the chess piece they are just glorified circle jerks. That is a generic comment ROX and not aimed at you, your squad or any other chess piece specifically...simply a broad indictment of a completley lame aspect of gameplay (IMO).

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by ghi
imop ,there's no need for strat tgts, they are there on all maps, but they don't have any tactic value for war status, that's why a base captured with best tools Nikis and 110s are more frequent than masive bombing raids.

 i would vote for:

  1.--  HQ  destroyed---> lose radar 30 min without resup option.

  2.--  HQ+City destroyed over 90%, (doesn't matter how many bases each team owns)-->  lose war,map reset, game over.

  3.--Hillary

I disagree.
I recall, several years back when we did RJO, Rooks Joint Operations, we kept the HQ down and porked all strats and it resulted in the BISH or Knits or both being limited to 25% fuel and no ord or resupply for hours.
All done, basically, in one huge organized raid!

[Yknurd]

Originally posted by Carwash
I'm voting Obama.

I'm guessing your young.  Or ignorant.  Or both.

Originally posted by Carwash
I want someone that unites the country.  

Yeah, that'll work.  Still going with both.

Originally posted by Carwash
I want change.

As if the any president can really make all his promises happen.  Still looks like both.

Originally posted by Carwash
I want a president that is well spoken.  

Well, compared to Boosh=Hitler everyone is well spoken!  But seriously, what kind of qualification is that?  Both.

Originally posted by Carwash
Past that I can't think of a single reason to vote for him.

Nail.  Head.  Hit.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by ROX
Please come knight and join one.

We see PLENTY of enemy.

Seriously....join one....you will see how blind your post was.

I've flown in a few of these missions. I can say with authority that watching paint dry is more exciting.

[coola4me]

[swareiam]

Originally posted by FiLtH
I know its standard op in the game to make missions for capture. Part of the game. I like joining missions. However theres one I dont like. Its this mission.

110Gs
Nik
C47

NOE


It seems its all we see anymore.

Hmmm... I could be mistaken, but I thought the point was to take bases to win the war. The mission planners seem to be using a success level formula for base captures; Bigger(guns), Better(planes),Faster or Tougher(both). It seems that this formula is repeated based on being the best one. People seem to flock to these missions. Dunno, I think folks have fun flying them.

Although, I did witness a Bish P-40E raid once, very cool, and looked like fun. Maybe close to 40 planes involved. But, within 5 minutes they were shredded. I think one P-40E actually made it to the base, smoking. The guy probably had a pilot wound, with absolutley no chance of making it home. That's not based on his skill level. That was based on the six guys on his six blazing away.

Like I said, looked like fun. But that's not how you win a war. right?

Cheers:aok

[Yknurd]

I thought the original intent was to fight.

Winning the war and boats and vehicles are all ancillary to me.  They help shift gears and do something different but they are certainly not on the forefront.

[FiLtH]

I think thats the biggest factor here. Two camps. One side wants real estate...that will be reset in a little while, and a side that wants good fights.
I cant remember a single base I ever took, but I can remember individual fights Ive had as far back as Air Warrior.

  Hub yes I have been axis interceptor in many scenarios and FSOs. If you start high, and blow past the escort, you get a few passes in, then have to dive away to reposition, or fight the escort if they leave the buffs to come after you. Looks like a good battle to me.

[kamilyun]

Originally posted by swareiam

Although, I did witness a Bish P-40E raid once, very cool, and looked like fun.

...

Like I said, looked like fun. But that's not how you win a war. right?

Cheers:aok

And here folks is the crux of the problem.  People confusing this game for a war.  What happens when you win the war?  Nothing.  If you are that hungry for 20 perks, you need to learn how to fly better b/c you suck.

If resetting maps again and again to win the war is really your thing...go to the EW and team up with SOARz.  You'll be happier than heck.

From Hitech himself:  And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair.

So yeah, those guys in the P40 raid had it right.  HAVE FUN and stop worrying about winning t3h war.

[humble]

Originally posted by kamilyun
And here folks is the crux of the problem.  People confusing this game for a war.  What happens when you win the war?  Nothing.  If you are that hungry for 20 perks, you need to learn how to fly better b/c you suck.

If resetting maps again and again to win the war is really your thing...go to the EW and team up with SOARz.  You'll be happier than heck.

From Hitech himself:  And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair.

So yeah, those guys in the P40 raid had it right.  HAVE FUN and stop worrying about winning t3h war.

What he said....

[moot]

Originally posted by ROX
After running alot of missions lately...I ditched the Mossies (they are flak magnets) and replaced the 110's with 190-A8's with 30mm.

NIK1s are fun....they have cannon and can take some ords.

Funny....some folks are making light of the Alliance Missions....it's amazing how they can't counter them.

Hey what's that sound?!  Oops, spies don't make sounds do they?


Filth, it's like kamilyun said.  It's not because of the game, it's because of players who go for the path of least resistance that'll get them "kills" and hit sprites and pat on the back messages in gold text on the text buffer.. They don't really know and/or care for combat.  
Either they don't understand how to actualy fight, and opt for something that'll do the fighting for them (easy planes, NOE swarm tactic vs empty bases, etc), or they flat out don't care and just do all those things because the game allows them to.

Another effect on missions is that no one joins a mission unless they've got a good guarantee it will be fun, e.g. that they won't get shot down.. It's common sense even though it's in effect incorrect: no one really wants to bother making an effort to play the other players' way of playing.. It's their 15$, their game, they'd rather play like they want to.  But that's just ignoring the potential of missions - well planned missions would do the same thing they do on their own (combat), but better: There's actual combat discipline to it rather than just random swarming.. Maybe the mission leader sets wingman pairs, etc.

So, 110G2 + N1K + C47 missions are often not due to players' lack of creativity, but just to sugarcoat the bait.