Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[TwentyFo]

Maybe you and your pal spanky in the sidecar might want to explain how those 2 statements eqaul a lie. And here all this time I was under the impression that English was your 1st language.

In your face Laz, you got roasted. How are you gonna respond?

[midnight Target]

You fig leaf is that Obama says he didn't hear the exact statements that were aired repeatedly on the various news programs? Just that he heard similar statements at other times? Do I have that right?

You are basically correct. I'm glad you understand and I accept your apology.

[Eagler]

In your face Laz, you got roasted. How are you gonna respond?

twit

[TwentyFo]

twit

Trick

[Toad]

You are basically correct. I'm glad you understand and I accept your apology.

Two issues:

First, the obvious one: if you make the case that Obama is somehow differentiating between the broadcast statements made by Wright while Obama may or not have been in attendance at Trinity and other quite similar ones he actually heard while in the pew, that is called quibbling.

Perhaps this will help:

quib·ble (kwbl)
intr.v. quib·bled, quib·bling, quib·bles
1. To evade the truth or importance of an issue by raising trivial distinctions and objections.

In short, if he quibbled, he lied.

Mark Steyn, an astute Canadian observer of the American scene puts it succintly:

Obama listened to Wright's bilge week in, week out his entire adult life and by the end was giving this huckster over 20 grand a year to keep him in business. It seems reasonable to assume, given some of her observations on the hustings, that Mrs Obama agrees with the broad thrust of Jeremiah Wright's "theology". Does her husband?

Derb wondered the other day whether the Obama campaign was a massive "con job". But it's worse than that. If he were a con artist, he'd be like every other opportunist pol contemplating a run for the presidency: he'd be slick enough to know from the get-go that the Reverend Wright was a guy he needed to keep at way beyond arm's length; instead, he named his big pre-campaign hey-world-here-I-am book after one of his sermons. That suggests Obama didn't even appreciate Wright was a potential problem. Which, in turn, suggests a candidate as disconnected from reality as his pastor is.

Wait... let me guess.... Steyn is a Canadian racist? 


Second, if you accept that quibbling as your fig leaf (and it appears that you do) then you are saying you have no interest in the truth. That plays into the hands of the politicians so many of us are sick of seeing on the national stage.

If we do not hold them accountable, we will get more of this baloney from both sides of the political spectrum. We either demand better government or we take the krap they deign to give us.

It is our call.

[Toad]

Old Barack/New Barack from Mark Steyn

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmNkYTE5NmE0NmExODg1YWY1ZDM5OGQ1NDhlYjFmMzg=

Listen to the inspiring speech on youtube and then consider his view of Wright's words. Just another lying Chicago pol.


Old Barack: Just words? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cd-AJeJvBE

Don’t tell me words don’t matter.

‘I have a dream.’ Just words?

‘We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.’ Just words?

‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself.’ Just words? Just speeches?





New Barack:

'Golly-geen America.' Just words.

'US government created Aids, supplied drugs to our community.' Just words.

'US of KKKA.' Just words.

'What we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing.' Just words.

'Until now, I was never proud of my country.' Just words from my wife.

[TwentyFo]

Old Barack/New Barack from Mark Steyn

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmNkYTE5NmE0NmExODg1YWY1ZDM5OGQ1NDhlYjFmMzg=

I quit reading your post as soon as you quoted something from The National Review. If you want to make a point, cite a source that has some integrity.

[Toad]

Indeed. Close your mind.

Mark Steyn is a funny astute commentator on the American scene. Doesn't matter where he's published, his stuff is accurate, insightful and entertaining.

But go ahead, show that famous liberal talent, gained at the university, of being willing to listen to all sides of an argument before you make up your mind. 

[BTW]

I quit reading your post as soon as you quoted something from The National Review. If you want to make a point, cite a source that has some integrity.

Sounds like someone who bookmarks the Huffington Post. She's a bitter woman - "damn you Michael!"

[TwentyFo]

Indeed. Close your mind.

Mark Steyn is a funny astute commentator on the American scene. Doesn't matter where he's published, his stuff is accurate, insightful and entertaining.

But go ahead, show that famous liberal talent, gained at the university, of being willing to listen to all sides of an argument before you make up your mind. 

Sources are important. Why would I fully trust a source that is built upon a conservative agenda or even one built on a liberal one. I want a source that attempts to give an accurate portrayal of the "truth" without a biased view. The National Review is not my idea of an unbiased view of the "truth". Just my 2 cents.

[Toad]

Well, if it makes you feel better, you can read Mark Steyn at his own website. 

[MiloMorai]

Sources are important. Why would I fully trust a source that is built upon a conservative agenda or even one built on a liberal one. I want a source that attempts to give an accurate portrayal of the "truth" without a biased view. The National Review is not my idea of an unbiased view of the "truth". Just my 2 cents.

Is there such a source?

[Toad]

Well, sure, Milo. No liberal source is biased. For example, Moveon.org gives the pure, unvarnished truth all the time.

You didn't know that?

The basic rule for both sides is "If the source agrees with me it is unbiased. If the source is in disagreement with me, it is biased. I only read sources that agree with me to get the unbiased truth."

[rpm]

It's sad. Here is a candidate that has never played the race card, done everything he can to heal racial wounds, yet all the racists are coming out of the woodwork to call him one. I guess all the white guys that have ever watched Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart or (pick your favorite evangelical) are lying, racist hypocites because they watched. Sad I tell you, just plain sad.

[Toad]

So Wright's rants are just words then? Words don't matter?

I'm so confused!

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said.

I thought Obama said words did matter?

Or is it that Wright's racist rants don't matter because black people can't be racist?

Please note that I haven't called Obama a racist. I doubt he his. Hypocrite? Sure. Racist? Nah.

Not even Steyn thinks Obama is a racist; he thinks he's just "candidate as disconnected from reality as his pastor is" for not realizing he had to distance himself from a racist like Wright.

But hey... play the race card. It's the only shield Obama has for his stupidity and it suffices for those than can't see around the fig leaf.