Things need to change

[Odee]

 

funny how the mighty "we are so great" Axis players run screaming like little girls the first time things don't go their way , run away run away , you would think that it was a South Pacific setup , your true colors are showing ,when you run away we can see the yellow strip down your back

Yuppers  just like you said above to the Axis.  Things go south for them and they cry foul, but when they can milk with impunity, everything's peachy.
 

Odee:  Call the waghmbulance.  You guys had your CV parked off V81 the first day.  It's the {main} reason you could take V81.  It was sunk by the Brits, and now you whine because the Allies have CV's?

Get real, you're just po'd because you can't loiter in GB and get your 8 kills landed.

[republic]

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[OldBull]

 Gentlemen, I have a question. In this scenario, the BoB, when a carrier is sunk does it re-gin or is it lost for the duration?
 Bull

[Motherland]

Allied CV's respawn, since they have ports, but ours was a one shot deal.

Honestly, I havent complained about anything so far... I dont like to. I havent complained that weve been outnumbered for the past 3 days, often with 3 to one odds, I havent complaned that once we actually have gotten numbers the Axis hasnt been able to get its toejam together and take a base, but when we got to that superfleet with 2 flights of 88s and 3 109E escorts and got obliterated by 5 inch guns before we could get over the CV (despite the fact that I was able to kill a flight of suicide bostons & land deadstick) I got pretty PO'ed.

[Larry]

You guys are new to the AvA so you might now know. The AvA is a historical arena but the CMs also have to make it fun for those who play. If they wanted to have the real BoB then the point wouldnt be to take twenty bases. It would be for the axis to bomb the crap outa the allies and the allies to defend thier fields and citys. Flying from the same bases from dover and pas de calais all week wouldnt be fun.

[VonMessa]

The hosiery mill called.  The stockings to match your dress have arrived.

[Arlo]

You guys are new to the AvA so you might now know. The AvA is a historical arena but the CMs also have to make it fun for those who play. If they wanted to have the real BoB then the point wouldnt be to take twenty bases. It would be for the axis to bomb the crap outa the allies and the allies to defend thier fields and citys. Flying from the same bases from dover and pas de calais all week wouldnt be fun*.

*For ... you. Whether you speak for the majority, regarding that, or someone like me does regarding historical immersion is a matter of opinion and perspective, I suppose .... though it can be proven in both practice and debate**. It may also be a matter of inspiring the arena to think a certain way. I've seen you work hard to inspire the RISK style play you've worked your entire AHII existance perfecting ... in others. Under such attitude and practices you claim to support this arena fervently. I've seen those others drawn to the piper's pipe. And, to be quite honest, if you're there tooting that song more often than a part-timer like me is there to toot a different tune then it's not surprising that you get more players to join your brand of fun than I manage to do mine. Maybe even if the tables were turned and you only made weekend appearances (and even then, limited) and I did live in the AvA, the ratio of historical immersion addicts in the one static arena that approximates an historical setting would be outnumbered by the revolving influx of MA players who only bother adjusting to a two-sided world, a limited planeset featuring segregation and not much more than that before they bore anyway and rededicate themselves to the larger late MA Orange (only going to the other late MA when it's full).

I'm fully aware of the irony of my above sentiments given my decision to spend most of my time on rebuilding and fostering an historical squadron sporting a persona that isn't offered much opportunity to exist in the AvA ... especially given my strong attraction to more historically immersive settings, terrains and planesets that the MA doesn't provide (my squadron's ride being available on a pretty steady basis there, though). I just don't think everyone else (perhaps some but certainly not all) outside my squad can appreciate the irony as much as I, though.

**My further introspection (following) may be my own undoing.

[OldBull]

Another question:
 Are we on this map until one side or the other can take and hold 20 bases or will this map change on Friday?
 Maj OldBull
XO Avengers

[Anaxogoras]

If they wanted to have the real BoB then the point wouldnt be to take twenty bases. It would be for the axis to bomb the crap outa the allies and the allies to defend thier fields and citys. Flying from the same bases from dover and pas de calais all week wouldnt be fun.

This is exactly what I want, except for the flying from the same bases part.  It would be easy to set targets all around the UK that the axis is supposed to bomb, and set victory conditions on how well they do it.

[Arlo]

It would be easy to set targets all around the UK that the axis is supposed to bomb, and set victory conditions on how well they do it.

Maybe it would. Maybe it wouldn't. I might suggest whipping up the details of how you'd set that up and sharing it with the AvA staff. Any technical questions also sent to them.  I really am with you in this.

[Motherland]

I like the way it is, for the most part. I don't mind that Germany is getting it's bellybutton kicked up north by 46/44/ whatever other bases are up there, thats our fault. What is not fair, is the fact that the Allies have 3 constantly respawning CV's and we had one, that did not respawn, as we have no ports. That, coupled with the fact that CV hardness is 3.0, we have no shore batteries, and the new CV's have laser ack, which isnt even so bad until you have three lined up so close that the CV groups are inter-twining. It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for us to make ANY headway in this with the current setup.

[Arlo]

It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for us to make ANY headway in this with the current setup.

I think one of the things under contention is the definition of "making headway" and what that means to the AvA community, as a whole. If the CVs presented no invasion threat (all spawning disabled from them) would bombing them be a priority or navigating around them (doable) to bomb England be one?

[captain1ma]

I like the way it is, for the most part. I don't mind that Germany is getting it's bellybutton kicked up north by 46/44/ whatever other bases are up there, thats our fault. What is not fair, is the fact that the Allies have 3 constantly respawning CV's and we had one, that did not respawn, as we have no ports. That, coupled with the fact that CV hardness is 3.0, we have no shore batteries, and the new CV's have laser ack, which isnt even so bad until you have three lined up so close that the CV groups are inter-twining. It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for us to make ANY headway in this with the current setup.

no offense, but i think they call that strategy. good show TK!! 

[Arlo]

no offense, but i think they call that strategy. good show TK!! 

Game strategy. Yes ... that's what it's called. And, depending on the actual goal of the setup (and the community, for that matter), perhaps accolades are called for. Perhaps not. Those that feel they are ... will present them. Some may hold off and assess/reassess the merit of the situation.

[VonMessa]

Game strategy. Yes ... that's what it's called. And, depending on the actual goal of the setup (and the community, for that matter), perhaps accolades are called for. Perhaps not. Those that feel they are ... will present them. Some may hold off and assess/reassess the merit of the situation.

I propose re-assessing flying under the banner of a Jagdgeschwader while one's crate is loaded with limes, for one.
 
Only thing sillier would be flying in a RAF squad with a Balkenkreuz  painted on one's wing.

Just curious, why no shore batteries?  I can abide the CV clusterf***  (technical term I learned in the Army) steaming in unorganized circles like some helpless mob.  Heck even their uber hardness and aircraft on them is no big deal.  But no shore batteries to keep the CV's from stopping on the beach for a barbecue is asinine and un-historic.