Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA

[Anaxogoras]

One thing to remember about fuel burn rates is that horizontal distance might be scaled on a map, but altitude is not.

For example, a 1:3 scale map with a fuel burn rate of 3x will leave everyone gasping for fuel because 10k ft still equals 10k ft.

[Tango]

We need to have a month of old AvA. No base captures or "goals" with old settings. Make it so if you want to have some great fights you head to the AvA. If you want to fly with the horde and milk base after base then the MA is the place to be.

Simply go to the Dueling arena if you don't like it.

[Larry]

See that stupid crap can go both ways tango.

"If you want base capture go to the MA"
"If you want to fly historical missions with goals and lots of ganging go to the FSO."



The DA is a mini MA now to. You cant go five minutes with out some idiot rolling a me163 and shot you down while you are "dueling".

[BarryBD]

I have only one small problem...

As a staring player, I do get shot down a lot...

Which means, the more I go up, the more I will cost for my side (let it be allied or axis)...
Which means, teammates won't be happy to see me go up...
Which means, keep away from the AvA...
Which means, no more access for me (or any other starting player for that mather) in my favourite arena...

This is why I started playing... reliving the historic battles

Base capturing in MA's is less fun (for me)

[Arlo]

I have only one small problem...

As a staring player, I do get shot down a lot...

Which means, the more I go up, the more I will cost for my side (let it be allied or axis)...
Which means, teammates won't be happy to see me go up...
Which means, keep away from the AvA...
Which means, no more access for me (or any other starting player for that mather) in my favourite arena...

This is why I started playing... reliving the historic battles

Base capturing in MA's is less fun (for me)

Huh? Fork's presentation didn't include the attrition I originally suggested, nor does it cover development in greater detail (and I suppose kudos on the practicality of the first though I'd like to see some more discussion on the latter). He's focusing primarily on "attrition" through negative impact on enemy production .... not attrition through K/D stats right now - whether as a group or as an individual affecting the group. You can auger every flight ten feet past the runway but your fellow pilots' bombs hitting or missing enemy strategic targets is what's really driving success or failure for your side, as is the enemy doing the same in return determines theirs. And besides the strat destruction tally to determine score there's the factor of reduction of funds determining which side enjoys what (or how many) new toys the following week* (and I suppose that also is a simplified simulation of development, if you think about it - wrapped in one neat package for now). There's genius in that approach and I defer to Fork's better judgement.

*Models available at bases and ports.

[BarryBD]

Huh? Fork's presentation didn't include the attrition I originally suggested, nor does it cover development in greater detail (and I suppose kudos on the practicality of the first though I'd like to see some more discussion on the latter). He's focusing primarily on "attrition" through negative impact on enemy production .... not attrition through K/D stats right now - whether as a group or as an individual affecting the group. You can auger every flight ten feet past the runway but your fellow pilots' bombs hitting or missing enemy strategic targets is what's really driving success or failure for your side, as is the enemy doing the same in return determines theirs. And besides the strat destruction tally to determine score there's the factor of reduction of funds determining which side enjoys what (or how many) new toys the following week* (and I suppose that also is a simplified simulation of development, if you think about it - wrapped in one neat package for now). There's genius in that approach and I defer to Fork's better judgement.

*Models available at bases and ports.

Sorry than, my mistake, I tought that every single plane that was used, shot down or damaged, had to be renewed with the 1.2 million $ to spend...

Misunderstood, my sincere apologies

[Trukk]

See that stupid crap can go both ways tango.

"If you want base capture go to the MA"
"If you want to fly historical missions with goals and lots of ganging go to the FSO."

The DA is a mini MA now to. You cant go five minutes with out some idiot rolling a me163 and shot you down while you are "dueling".

Not quite, the MAs, DAs and AvA are 24/7 operations, the FSO isn't. If you're not in the right time zone, the FSO is out of the picture.

[Mister Fork]

I also need to clarify a couple of items.

First - the $1.2 million represents the total purchase of aircraft squadron per field.  We may up that number depending on how the first BoA works out.  You could pick 6 B-24's and put them right at the front of the battleline on the map.  Of course, your opponent could just hit your bomber hangers at 6 of those fields.  Since we're looking at extending the downtimes of hangars to 1 day, and strategic objects 3 days, you may have no abilty to a) resupply your fields and b) defend your fields.  Not a good strategy.  We'll figure out a downtime number that balances the arena strategy to a reasonable time - that's a promise.

Commanders have to balance three imporant items:
a) Ability to strike at their opponent
b) Ability to defend your assets
c) Ability to re-supply your assets

You also have to think about putting your fighters close enough so they can escort your bombers - if that's your method - bombers with escort. Or you can choose JABO - Jugs,P-38's,P-51's, F series , Bf-110's, Fw-190's, that can do both JABO, Fight, or defend.

Now the war isn't so cut and dry.  It's getting interesting - how can a commander pick their fields and weapon choices so that it a) engage their opponent, b) gives them a strategic advantage, c) allows best options for their war effort.

All of a sudden, it becomes very important to pick the right tools for the right jobs.  Otherwise, you'll be stuck off-balanced with your opponent and you'll get hammered in round 1 - and you may not be able to recover if your strategic objects are all at or near 0% - which means you may have $20,000-$50,000 + anything left over from your first purchase.  This ends your war before it really got started.

[XAKL]

Simply go to the Dueling arena if you don't like it.

is this Tango from 412th???

[Tango]

is this Tango from 412th???

Nope, always been with the 78th. We came over from WW2OL, just don't tell anyone. 

[Chilli]

  Obviously a lot of time and effort has gone into bringing this AvA alternative.  All that is needed is the patience needed to learn how to make this challenge enjoyable to the majority of its participants. 

Fork please sticky your original post without the resulting comments.  I think that you need to make major announcements including General Discussions, News, and even if possible on home page news to inform folks what rules or strategies wil apply.

If you do have a projected start date (say 2 weeks  ) keep us informed.  Please don't delay too long though.  I doubt that those who are anticipating such changes will be very impressed with the current war.

[Bruv119]

well with capturing out of the window we should be able to see long strat bombing runs from up high.

The luftwaffe will get their "lets go to 30k and kill some bombers" The allies will get their immersion similar to the der grosse schlag event.

I guess it will be more down to A2A combat with escorting/killing bombers.

It could be very boring off peak and very entertaining with lots of guys in the room. 

[Tango]

well with capturing out of the window we should be able to see long strat bombing runs from up high.

The luftwaffe will get their "lets go to 30k and kill some bombers" The allies will get their immersion similar to the der grosse schlag event.

I guess it will be more down to A2A combat with escorting/killing bombers.

It could be very boring off peak and very entertaining with lots of guys in the room. 

This is what our sqaud is all about. We love to escort bombers and to see a group of bombers instead of a vic or two. This will be an outstanding event, of course there will be those that won't like it because its not insta-action furballs.

[Chilli]

I guess it will be more down to A2A combat with escorting/killing bombers.

It could be very boring off peak and very entertaining with lots of guys in the room. 

More than one way to skin a cat.  Off peak times there are opportunities to affect the war effort JABO or to defend precious assets.  Or even to set up your own personal challenge (like in the old days) that is what I am hoping for.