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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #300 on: April 25, 2008, 09:44:52 AM »
Good signature material for someone who is going to Hell.

Can't go to a place that only exists in fantasy.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #301 on: April 25, 2008, 09:47:31 AM »
Oh... I don't know..  seems we are all quite capable of creating our own hell.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #302 on: April 25, 2008, 09:52:14 AM »
Oh... I don't know..  seems we are all quite capable of creating our own hell.

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Oh we definately create some crapholes... but the biblical version of hell? That'd take CGI.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #303 on: April 25, 2008, 09:57:45 AM »
indy.. who said anything about the bible?   or cgi for that matter...

Hell is within us.. science didn't put it there nor can science make it go away.   

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #304 on: April 25, 2008, 10:15:06 AM »
indy.. who said anything about the bible?   or cgi for that matter...

Hell is within us.. science didn't put it there nor can science make it go away.   

lazs

The line I originally quoted is pretty obviously referring to biblical hell, or I just haven't had enough coffee yet.

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–noun 1. the place or state of punishment of the wicked after death; the abode of evil and condemned spirits; Gehenna or Tartarus. 

What you're referring to I believe is just people being sweetheartbags. That, like the golden rule, transcends religion.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #305 on: April 25, 2008, 10:17:49 AM »
Why even post this crap, evolution has absolutely nothing to do with proving/dis-proving God. 

Uh huh.  Oh yeah, you're absolutely right Skyrock.  Absolutely.  No way around it, when you're right, you're right.

Because you, as a teacher, know that evolutionists throughout history have NEVER tried to disprove God or anything wacky like that.  Much less many of them.  Uh huh.  That's right.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #306 on: April 25, 2008, 10:25:10 AM »
  I hate too get in too this late (hate to get into it at all) but i have one question, has science explained morality or evolution of the spirit? does it explain the feeling of good and evil inside us all (or most of us)? I have not read all the post's on this thread so I may be asking questions that have already been answered.  I still havent got too see the movie yet but i am planning on going soon!
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #307 on: April 25, 2008, 10:25:36 AM »
I don't have to consider myself smart, I am aware of my strengths and weaknesses. 


I think one of your greatest strengths is your subtlety and humility.

Well, actually that's two, but then again your humility is sooo subtle it really should only count as one.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #308 on: April 25, 2008, 10:27:10 AM »
hmm
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #309 on: April 25, 2008, 10:38:22 AM »
Some contemporary examples of evolution: antibiotic resistant bacteria, disease-resistant tomatoes, Jack Russell terriers.

Are these things that have evolved from one species to another?

Does evolution not predict that everything came from one common ancestor?

Antibotic resistant bacteria and bacteria that is not resistant to antibotics are both still bacteria.

A Jack Russell terrier and Great Dane are distinctively different but they are both still dogs...one is not a dog and the other a cat.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #310 on: April 25, 2008, 10:48:55 AM »
It's ok myelo... confusing cross breeding with evolution is a common mistake. Evolution is not about cross-breeding to make a different breed. It is about one breed morphing into a seperate species.

Of course, some would argue that antibiotic resistant bacteria is not a result of mutation, but rather proliferation of a less dominant bacteria. This has been substantiated by the discovery of antibiotic resistant bacteria in soil in remote parts of the world where antibiotic resistance could not have occured. You kill one antibody and another proliferates.

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #311 on: April 25, 2008, 10:54:12 AM »
Then you clearly don't understand the definition of evolution -- heritable changes within a population over time. More technically, it's a change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next. Some contemporary examples of evolution: antibiotic resistant bacteria, disease-resistant tomatoes, Jack Russell terriers.

Are you denying that bacteria have evolved resistance to antibiotics? Or is your position that an "intelligent designer" decided a few years ago to create a new methcillin-resistant staph that kills 100's of people a year?

As for your other points:

Well documented transitional fossils in evolution of the horse http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/horse_evol.html.

Why evolution doesn't violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html






Antibiotic Resistance of Bacteria: An Example of Evolution in Action?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n3/antibiotic-resistance-of-bacteria

disease-resistant tomatoes?? --- I can’t find any information on these other than their hybrid tomatoes. I searched Talkorigins.org as well as other websites that deal with Evolution and Creationism. Can you elaborate on your using it?

Jack Russell terriers???---  same as tomatoes


Evolution of the Horse??
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i3/horse.asp

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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #312 on: April 25, 2008, 10:56:04 AM »
Does evolution not predict that everything came from one common ancestor?

Strong thread read.

I was referring to Storch's contention that evolution has never been observed. I defined the term for him then cited several examples of evolution.

As for the development of new species, I also cited several examples about 10 or so pages ago of observed speciation. And in the post to Storch I provided a link of the well documented transitional forms in horse evolution.




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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #313 on: April 25, 2008, 11:03:51 AM »
Of course, some would argue that antibiotic resistant bacteria is not a result of mutation, but rather proliferation of a less dominant bacteria.

It's both. Bacterial genes, as all genes do, will randomly mutate. In some cases this mutation confers resistance to an antibiotic.  This trait is heritable since it is based on a change in the genes. This mutation was not caused by the antibiotic and would occur without antibiotics. But with no antibiotic, the trait is not useful.

But in the presence of antibiotics, this mutation now provides an advantage. The bacteria with this mutation are more likely to survive and reproduce more bacteria that also inherit this trait. Over time, the frequency of this heritable trait increases in the population, which is, for those paying attention, precisely the definition of evolution.

Of course those that deny evolution will need to come up with a different explanation. I'm waiting to read if this is because an Intelligent Designer decided we needed some antibiotic resistant bugs for some reason.
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Re: Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists
« Reply #314 on: April 25, 2008, 11:14:01 AM »
Uh huh.  Oh yeah, you're absolutely right Skyrock.  Absolutely.  No way around it, when you're right, you're right.

Because you, as a teacher, know that evolutionists throughout history have NEVER tried to disprove God or anything wacky like that.  Much less many of them.  Uh huh.  That's right.
Come on Drunky, you're doing the same mistake:
You quote Skyrock saying: " evolution has absolutely nothing to do with proving/dis-proving God. "
And follow it up with: "you [...] know that evolutionists throughout history have NEVER tried to disprove God or anything wacky like that"
It's not evolution that makes evolutionists try to prove/disprove religion, it's the evolutionist.  And at that point "evolutionist" isn't his first name anymore.

I'll answer the rest of the replies to me a bit later.
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