Bend Over Democrats...

[Charon]

Obama not a party machine guy! LOL. Could have fooled me, but then I live in his state and he's my Senator (shudder). Obama is as much a machine guy as the rest, or he wouldn't have gotten this far. Dennis Kucinich was the only dem outsider int he race and he is long gone.

Obama is  every bit the machine politician. He came up through the Cook County/Illinois democratic machine. He voted party line at the state level (when it wasn't too risky and he voted present instead); he endorsed machine candidates for NO CHANGE where change was/is needed with Daley and Todd Stroger; Obama is endorsed by Teddy K -- how much more machine can you get than that. And just look at all the soft money coming into his campaign from the financial houses to get the next market scam -- carbon trading -- up and running. My pick, carbon trading is the next wealth generator after the energy bubble drops to the big money guys.

What has happened though is you get a bunch of the ultra progressive wing of the dem party, typically the tail wagging the dog like the reps have the religious right, pushing Obama. The Hollywood set and other party "thought leaders" and I believe Soros/Move On as well. Obama got an early lead because the press gave him a free ride and only now are the flaws starting to come out. Hillery is fighting her bellybutton off -- she doesn't want to lose. She of course is a machine poll as well.

The dems will likely tank themselves, but it's about ambition not insider/outsider at this point. If anything Hillery is the outsider, have shown a willingness to be "less progressive" than the urban elite progressives that control the party platforms (and in the media) have a stomach for.

If McCain wins, at least the remaining conservatives (decidedly a minority) in the republican party might be able to force some constructionist or at least limited textrualist jurists on McCain like they had to on Bush. That's a big positive for me and for less activism on the court -- liberal or conservative. And McCain is somewhat less against the 2nd than most in the Washington establishment. golf clap

But yeah... more of the same. Not that Obama or Clinton represent anything but a different flavored big government more of the same. The chance for real change passed with Paul and Kucinich.

Charon

[CptTrips]

I think Hillary has some dirt on Obama.  I think it’s bad.  Bad enough that she is sure it will mean the race when the Republicans find it.  And paradoxically bad enough that she can’t use it herself without splintering the party.  She can’t even use it by proxy or she knows she will be blamed anyway.  It has to come straight from the Republicans, but of course, by then it will be too late.  She has hung in there this long hoping desperately someone else in the media would stumble across it independently or she would win enough delegates that she wouldn’t have to use the nuclear option herself.

Say for example…he has already admitted cocaine use.  What if there was someone in the wings willing to testify that he had sold them some when they were young.  I can see Americans overlooking an occasional youthful snort at a party.  Could America elect someone who had handed over a bag of coke and pocketed cash?

Wab

[lazs2]

In light of airheads post...and in some ways I guess that Ron Paul really could bring us all together.. not in some phony "my way or prison" democrat "bring us together" way but.. one that we could all feel good about...

for about a month.

That would be how long it would take for all the socialist blue voters to realize that not only was he gonna let em smoke pot but....he was gonna take away the government tit from em and get rid of all the giveaway programs and make people responsible for themselves... 

about how long it would take for the religious right to realize that he not only thinks abortion is evil and murder but that he thinks religions putting their morality on us is wrong.

Nope... the blue voters want socialism and the red voters don't and never the two shall meet.   It is an ideological difference that has to end in bloodshed..  no other way.

lazs

[moot]

Hillary is part of the machine and Obama isn't....simple as that.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,235095.msg2871307.html#msg2871307

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[Airhead]

Thanks alot Moot for making me waste an hour clicking and reclicking that link over and over. Very funny. 

[Bronk]

Thanks alot Moot for making me waste an hour clicking and reclicking that link over and over. Very funny. 

And did it take that long for Charon's post ti sink in?

[Airhead]

And did it take that long for Charon's post ti sink in?

What????

[Bronk]

What????

Hillary is part of the machine and Obama isn't....simple as that.

Now read Charon's post again. That is where moot's link points to.

[moot]

Thanks alot Moot for making me waste an hour clicking and reclicking that link over and over. Very funny. 

It's Skuzzy's fault.

[Squire]

How is Hillary going to win it at this late hour? The last two contests are tommorow, and she trails by 159 delegates, with the word bring all the SDs are just waiting for the word to endorse Obama and end it this week (probably by Wed night). If Hillary had any real clout with the SDs, they would have done something by now. Her campaign is over, it was over weeks ago.  

There may be some die-hard Hillary fans that think something is going to happen (like a comet hitting the earth I guess) but past that, its done. Wether she takes the VP slot (if its offered) is the only realistic question left.

[SkyRock]

It'll be decided by the super deligates....And MT,I agree with you that any Dem would be better than a continued Bush agenda of 4 more years, which is what McCain offers- my objection will be to the way the nomination is decided - back room deals by the power elite. That's how the Republicans operate- I thought we were more responsive to the people in our party's wishes tho.

Theres no difference in the way dems and reps work, we still get poopoo'd no matter who wins!

[Eagler]

if the bro don't get it, they lose the black vote and lose in Nov

my guess is that bama will be told to select the ho for his veep

at that point, the bro best watch his back as the witch is j a heart beat away from POTUS ... his

[bj229r]

Ever since the public got some actual INFO about Obama (certainly not from NBC or MSNBC) i.e. Reverend Wright, etc, and more audio clips of his hateful wife, Obama has been getting his arse kicked by Hillary in the working class union vote, and if the primary season had started a week after super Tuesday, he wouldn't even be in the running. I think I loathe McCain the least of the three, but Hillary has a far better chance of winning than does Obama. When you get past his prepared speeches to fawning liberal anchors , he's an empty suit. It's apparently more important to the DNC to nominate a Black man than to win the election. (WHY does Harold Ford get no traction in this party?)

[FrodeMk3]

How is Hillary going to win it at this late hour? The last two contests are tommorow, and she trails by 159 delegates, with the word bring all the SDs are just waiting for the word to endorse Obama and end it this week (probably by Wed night). If Hillary had any real clout with the SDs, they would have done something by now. Her campaign is over, it was over weeks ago.  

There may be some die-hard Hillary fans that think something is going to happen (like a comet hitting the earth I guess) but past that, its done. Wether she takes the VP slot (if its offered) is the only realistic question left.

Her ego won't allow her to quit; And by my best guess, she will use any weapon she can to get the nomination, Even at the risk of destroying the Dem's chances in November. Out of all the first ladies, she has been the only one that has done more in politics than either Eleanor Roosevelt or Jackie Kennedy (Onassis). There's no other way to explain why someone would fritter away 20 million dollars' of their own money, on a slim chance to take the White House. And for that reason, I do not doubt that she would be more than willing to drop the bomb on Obama's campaign, if there is one to be had. She's WAY too bent on being the first woman POTUS to stop now. She might accept the VP slot, but if she does, It will be with bumping Obama off in mind, and taking the Oval office by succesion. I honestly think that it would be wise for the DNC to expunge her completely, but they won't if it means they can take the White house, even through her. A truly nasty situation in U.S. politics, indeed.

I'd implore you all to write in someone like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, and not give in to the mainstream; Hell, if you vote for McCain and he's likely to lose to Obama or Clinton anyway, what's it gonna hurt to speak your true voice in this matter?

If it turns out like Lasz has said, and the country falls apart(don't think it can/will, though) It would look better if you upheld the beliefs you are willing to shed blood for now, rather than jumping on the wagon at the last minute...