What's with the uber maneuvers?

[Pooh21]

we cant do hammerheads here though  or am I still AH1? instead of flipping does the plane not just lazily fall over?

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Ubber moves come forth from ubber hands. 

[Animl]

This kid apparently doesn't understand a simple overshoot.  Just because it doesn't look like he's moving doesn't mean he isn't.  All motion is relative to yours.  I haven't seen anything fishy nor any group of pilots "exploiting" the coad. 

I'm 48, been flying sims since 94, and was a Tech and Game assitant, ran scenarios, reinvented a damage model (among many other things) for Air Warrior.

Now what?

[Animl]

Rope reverses are actualy slower than they should be, from what some experienced people have said.

Ir onic you should say that since you were one of two who pulled in on me last night.

[Animl]

I'm 48, been flying sims since 94, and was a Tech and Game assitant, ran scenarios, reinvented a damage model (among many other things) for Air Warrior.

Now what?

If you have any questions about that, ask around.

[Lusche]

I'm 48, been flying sims since 94, and was a Tech and Game assitant, ran scenarios, reinvented a damage model (among many other things) for Air Warrior.

Now what?

In that case you should know very well that such a posting without any film ist pretty vague and a rant at best.

Show us what "exploits" you are talking about and we can discuss/explain/complain. Else it's just guessing.

[Animl]

we cant do hammerheads here though  or am I still AH1? instead of flipping does the plane not just lazily fall over?

Nope, as fast as it is moving away from you, it's suddenly moving the opposite direction at you. There is NO and I mean NO visual flip of any kind , at all, period. I know better, I wouldn't be posting if I didn't view it many times. I'm not a whim poster. Just calling it exactly as I see it. And BTW at that point my FPS is 75-85.

What are the chances if it were to be UDP dropping packets would it ALWAYS be at a specific moment in a specific move? Me bet's, I'd pull my money off that table.

Animl

[Animl]

In that case you should know very well that such a posting without any film ist pretty vague and a rant at best.

Show us what "exploits" you are talking about and we can discuss/explain/complain. Else it's just guessing.

Tell me what you use to convert films to AVI or something, it's just that easy. being a newbie to AH I just haven't gotten that far. I'm enjoying flying without doing anything else but flying and having fun.

[Animl]

Tell me what you use to convert films to AVI or something, it's just that easy. being a newbie to AH I just haven't gotten that far. I'm enjoying flying without doing anything else but flying and having fun.

Hmm my bad, long day, I guess I don't really have to convert them do I?

[Yknurd]

Is airframe stress even modeled in AH?? Now that I think of it I can't remember ever ripping my wings off in a High G pullout.

I used to routinely rip the wings of the 152 in my KG200 days.

[crockett]

Ir onic you should say that since you were one of two who pulled in on me last night.

Yet you have no film.....

[Animl]

In that case you should know very well that such a posting without any film ist pretty vague and a rant at best.

Show us what "exploits" you are talking about and we can discuss/explain/complain. Else it's just guessing.

Evidently I made like 30 films I'll have to find the right ones, will take some time, when I have it. My point is, this is common knowledge among many vets, some acting like it's the first time they heard about in this thread are actually using these techniques, and they are well aware of it. Why act like it's something new when you're actually using it,..if there's not a little more to it?

Yes it's a move, to a point, and in a fraction of a second it's something else.

When I find the right films I will make a new post with them. But coming to a BB when I normally don't to talk about something I've discounted myself on many other occasions is just not my style. Feel free to call me a liar if you must, I expected it before posting it....but without the films at all some know exactly what I am talking about.

This is not something that just came about this week. It just finally irritated me enough to say something about it. Watching one person pull the stall off on someone else like I dunno,.. maybe 8 times in 10-15 seconds, that's uberish. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with physics. <shrug>

[Animl]

Well, I didn't want to presume that the OP doesn't recognize a simple rope.

When I say film it and watch it from the other perspective, there's this trick I've seen alot of folks do where we'll merge and then go vertical and while I'm looking straight up at the other plane it's almost as if the plane is on a rubber band...it slings out and then is nose on my canopy and I'm getting pinged.  I asked someone about it and then watched it on film and what the enemy is doing is pulling throttle and dropping flaps over the top.  It's not something that is easy to discern (for me) in the middle of a fight, and I was always confounded by the maneuver until I broke it down on tape.

Another night I was getting spanked repeatedly by Storch in the AvA.  So I taped a 1v1 and watched how he was manipulating his throttle and angles to out-turn me.  I just couldn't figure it out until I watched it on tape.

With respect to G-force damage, I've lost more A-20's to pulling off the wings on pull-out than I have from getting shot down in a dogfight with one.

Great reply,... great explanation, I happen to think it's more then that. He was also one that used it on me as well.

Question, if the flip is so fast, why are they still awake at all, should they no red out for a period of time? If they were to black or red out,... that shot would be done blind... you must have to be  super uber to stand those type of forces and not pass out.

[Lusche]

When I find the right films I will make a new post with them. But coming to a BB when I normally don't to talk about something I've discounted myself on many other occasions is just not my style. Feel free to call me a liar if you must, I expected it before posting it....but without the films at all some know exactly what I am talking about.

The films will be highly welcome.
And for me, I don't know exactly, but I have very strong suspicion - because I have seen the same complaints quite a few times before, with following films proving it wasn't all that "fishy" as the players thought.

Heck, in my beginnings I often thought "This is impossible!" myself (especially when fighting against those pesky F4U'S), but my films and some TA practice teached me otherwise...

[Animl]

Yet you have no film.....

you don't read well do you, or you don't retain it. I said I have 2 films. Where would you like me to attach them to when I sort them out... Mr. Yet you have no films. We'll see how some are to that when I cough them up. Until then just call me a liar to keep it covered.