F4U-4

[Bronk]

Over a year why?

Because I'm asking about A plane that I just resently started flying and all the chart figures that I looked at didn't add up to why it was perked.

Because you have no idea how dominant the -4 can be. Stellar all round performance AND great ords carrying capabilities.

Ask yourself this question... If the -4 was unperked, would you ever up a -d again (other than eny restriction)?  Be honest.

[Saxman]

The P-51's flaps can come out faster, but even without flaps the F4U has the edge in high-speed maneuverability.

Put equal pilots in both planes and the F4U-4 will beat any prop fighter in the game.

[whiteman]

F4U-4 top speed is 445 with wep all 5 min of it, you take away the WEP and top speed is under 430 around 425 while the P-51 without wep will do 435 add WEP and it makes 440 ,Check the charts before you reply. And sir I do use flaps and the mustang can deploy flaps at over 400 MPH while the F4U-4 has to be 250 MPH or under. And if you bring the fight down to where MA fights or, you will see that at them altitudes the Mustang will out perform the F4U-4 in many areas. But now that I said that I do like the F4U-4 alot and its only around 20 perks so I will still fly it .

Any time I get a 51 down to the deck and I'm in a 4-Hog that 51 is dead 100% of the time. He ain't running from me and sure won't turn with me.

[BnZ]

I agree that it is slightly odd to have a perked 4Hog and very odd to have what amounts to a perked D-Hog/w cannon package in a game that has unperked La-7s. However to start UNPERKING things would be a step in exactly the wrong direction IMO.

BTW, I agree with all the arguments about performance the F4U-4, based on that, relative to other LW planes, it should be perked. However, saying that the F4U-4/C-hog should be perked so that people will fly the other hogs is NOT an argument that holds up to logic. One could just as easily argue the La7 should be perked so that people will fly the La5, that the PonyD should be perked so people woould fly the B, that the Spit16/8 should be perked so that people will fly the Spit9, etc.

[Saxman]

It's not a matter of perking the -4 to force players to use the earlier marks. The simple fact is, that if the -4 wasn't perked then people would NATURALLY roll a -4 instead.

[Banshee7]

Are you kidding me?!?!? F4U-4 is the 2nd fastest prop plane next to the Tempest 

All this talk of speed when i always thought the P-47N was the fastest plane at altitude

EDIT: silly me..thats only with WEP on

[Saxman]

And at about 30,000ft, which you won't have much to shoot at....

....at least until Ack-Ack comes screaming down on you.

[Wash0ut]

Is this really a problem? Most players got loads of perks anyways, they're just being cheap

[Bronk]

BTW, I agree with all the arguments about performance the F4U-4, based on that, relative to other LW planes, it should be perked. However, saying that the F4U-4/C-hog should be perked so that people will fly the other hogs is NOT an argument that holds up to logic. One could just as easily argue the La7 should be perked so that people will fly the La5, that the PonyD should be perked so people woould fly the B, that the Spit16/8 should be perked so that people will fly the Spit9, etc.

Then tell me why was the Chog perked hmmmmm? 

Never mind I'll tell you. It was overused, thus creating an imbalance in game play. The Chog did it with its superior cannon, the -4 would do it with it's superior performance. So yea, it is about using the other hogs.

Edit
Note where I mentioned in my other post I mentioned ords carrying. If the la-7/spit VIII/XVI could carry almost 3k in ords they'd be perked also. You have to factor that into the "why perk equation".

[thndregg]

Leave it perked. It's a steroidal beast of a plane- fast, agile, good guns.

[Sol75]

As a dedicated hog pilot, I would say I would love the heck outta flying a -4 for free.. BUT... We cant let it happen!  The -4 is in my, and many others opinions one of, if not THE best plane in the game.  it takes all that is GOOD about the hog (roll rate, turn with flaps, high speed dives, etc etc) and takes away many of it's weaknesses (accel, climb, etc) AND adds a top speed to match or exceed the pony. As was said earlier, the -4 is not perked for any one specific strength it has, but rather the combination of it's strengths.  Sure, there are planes that outperform it in any one area of performance, usually not by much, but there is no other plane in the set that has the combination of strengths the -4 has, without weakness.  If any plane in the set needs to be unperked, it is the Spit 14.  good plane sure, but not a powerhouse requiring a perk in my opinion.  (yes, opinion, everyone has one! hehe)

Sol

[Widewing]

Fastest American fighters...

P-47N: 476 mph at 30,000 feet with 25% fuel, short clip for ammo. 469 mph at 30,000 feet, 75% fuel, max ammo.

F4U-4: 453 mph at 27,300 feet with 25% fuel. 448 mph at 27,300 feet with 100% fuel.

P-51B: 443 mph at 27,500 feet with 25% fuel.

P-51D: 441 mph at 25,000 feet with 25% fuel.

P-47D-11: 436 mph at 30,000 feet with 25% fuel, short clip ammo load.


My regards,

Widewing

[angelsandair]

Ahh, widewing coming to save the day again. 

[BnZ]

Use is a poor arguement. The P-51D is used waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion to what it brings to the table as an airplane. So is the N1K to a lesser degree, IMO. Whereas the Spit8, Ki-84, etc, are undersued in proportion to their capability. CHog is perked because it has the deadliest gun package of the game with a loooooong clip to go with it.

I also don't think ord carrying capability is as big a factor as you make it. Most jabo runs are suicide missions-because of this, perking a plane ensures it will almost never be used for jabo anyway. If the enemy has air-superiority and alot of ack up at a base, you probably ain't getting out of it in once piece, whether you're flying a Typhoon, P47N, CHog, or F4U-4. If the friendly air superiority has been more or less established, you can usually bring in an A-20 or a "real" bomber and do more damage than any jabo-fighter.

Then tell me why was the Chog perked hmmmmm? 

Never mind I'll tell you. It was overused, thus creating an imbalance in game play. The Chog did it with its superior cannon, the -4 would do it with it's superior performance. So yea, it is about using the other hogs.

Edit
Note where I mentioned in my other post I mentioned ords carrying. If the la-7/spit VIII/XVI could carry almost 3k in ords they'd be perked also. You have to factor that into the "why perk equation".

[moot]

Ord is a factor in perking, and ENY, because it allows you to kill more stuff, in more ways.  A 1000 lbs of HE is nothing to sneeze at, nevermind two of them and whatever 8 of those rockets amount to.
And a minor pick, but the chog's guns aren't the deadliest package, though nearly so.