Historians See Little Chance for McCain

[DREDIOCK]

Similar to what I've been saying all along

" That desire for change also tends to manifest itself at the end of a president’s second termOnly twice in the 20th century has a candidate from the same party as a two-term president won the presidency, most recently in 1988, when George H.W. Bush replaced the term-limited Ronald Reagan, who was about twice as popular in the last year of his presidency as President George W. Bush is now.

But the biggest obstacle in McCain’s path may be running in the same party as the most unpopular president America has had since at least the advent of modern polling. Only Harry Truman and Nixon — both of whom were dogged by unpopular wars abroad and political scandals at home — have been nearly as unpopular in their last year in office, and both men’s parties lost the presidency in the following election."

But its not all bad news.

"Campbell still casts McCain as the underdog. But he said McCain might have more appeal to moderates than Obama if the electorate decides McCain is “center right” while Obama is “far left.” Democrats have been repeatedly undone when their nominee was viewed as too liberal,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080615/pl_politico/11090

[DiabloTX]

What if McCain chose Colin Powell as his VP?  Would that make the McCain a shoe-in?

[DREDIOCK]

What if McCain chose Colin Powell as his VP?  Would that make the McCain a shoe-in?

Not unless McCain and Powel  became  members of a different party.

As much as anything its the party hurting McCain.
And more pointedly.
George Bush

I'd be willing to bet that if you went out on the street and randomly selected strangers and asked them who the first person that came to mind when you said the word "republican"
most would say "George Bush"

Right now the climate is
Republican = Bush
Bush = bad

McCain not only has to distance himself from Bush.
But he has to do so in an almost vicious manner for him to stand a chance

[JB88]

What if McCain chose Colin Powell as his VP?  Would that make the McCain a shoe-in?

absolutely.  imho.

but the wife said no.

so, we'd have to ask her reeeeeeally nice.
 

[lazs2]

dred..  I am sure that the guy is correct..  that all the people who don't vote will be out there supporting osamabama but... not voting.

I think that the only thing that can save the democrats will be a short time between now and november.   I believe that osamabama is so flawed that the more time people have to know him the more he will be seen for what he is... An ultra liberal angry socialist racist with a really sordid past filled with nasty people.   If he is forced to answer questions without a teleprompter he will be seen to be the know nothing that he is who has no experience.

Time is of the essence.. he needs to stay out of the limelight except for pablum speeches that say nothing but are rousing orator style "changing the hope" and "hoping for change" stuff  while avoiding the "but all your friends are bomb throwing anti Americans and racists"  reports that will be coming out.. he needs to not explain how he intends to do anything because even the dumbest amoung us will see that every path leads to more out of their pocket for feel good and worthless issues.

He need to stay away from any talk of race since he is the most racist candidate anyone has fielded in recent history yet... he needs to hammer race to garner the white guilt vote (mostly women and ponytailed womenly men).

He is the most radical liberal and inexperienced candidate the democrats have ever fielded and he need to not have it all come out.   It is huge tho..  if the damn breaks before november he is, deservedly, toast.

lazs

[JB88]

one can only pray.

for those of you who think of me as a librool.  know this.  i think that obama is the worst possible choice for president.

aside from his "hope first, solutions second" approach, this has nothing to do with skin tone.  this has everything to do with inner city politics and satellite advisors.

i shudder to think what sorts of entitlements will come pouring out of the dam if that one gets opened.

[lazs2]

88.. I see you as a thinking liberal.. this means nothing but that you are on the cusp.   What happens to thinking liberals is they get fed up with being lied to... with "the end justifies the means" .

I think also that you are not really a liberal in the socialist modern meaning of the term.. more like a Charlton Heston in the 50's kind of liberal.   I can't imagine that you will not find yourself in the libertarian or individualist camp.   I believe that you have been surrounded with modern liberals from the artsy crowd.. who are... give em credit..  cool and witty.   Just as so many are seduced by osamabamas oratory style.. many are seduced by what seems like witty from the socialists... satire and clever wit are more the perview of the modern liberal than of the conservative or.. even more so.. the libertarian or individualist.

The modern liberal is a follower of the cult of personality.   osamabama personifies this..

in my opinion.   

I think you suffer from the curse of intelligence and an overdeveloped sense of honesty.   These things get in the way of political party following but are death to anyone wanting to follow the liberal socialist cult of personality.

lazs

[Saxman]

...the liberal socialist cult of personality.

So you're saying the Extreme-right ultra-conservatives don't have the same?

With all the liberal bashing you're always omitting (or forgetting) that there's really no difference at all between the Extreme Left and the Extreme Right. Both sides are just as oppressive and do the EXACT same things, the difference is just in why they say they're doing it.

[ROX]

Not one single person in the last 100 years who ran on a platform of raising taxes has won in the last 100 years.

I forsee a sad and possibly horrible chain of events that I pray does not come to pass.





ROX

[ZetaNine]

there is no way on earth mcain wins.

obama will be our next president....of that...I have no doubt.

[Toad]

Obama would have to tapdance on his crank wearing golf shoes to lose this one.

That said, never underestimate the ability of the Dems to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory.

I think it's Obama and he won't break a sweat.

[ZetaNine]

Obama would have to tapdance on his crank wearing golf shoes to lose this one.

That said, never underestimate the ability of the Dems to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory.

I think it's Obama and he won't break a sweat.

it's a double edged sword for him.........because the very thing that will get him elected is the very thing people will hate about him four years later.

1.  people wonder what would have happened if bobby kennedy won...and think of obama (why I have no idea) as bobby kennedy.
2.  after 4 years....many will say: "I knew bobby kennedy........and you sir....are no bobby kennedy"

[lazs2]

hmm.. you guys think it is really that bad?   That Americans are so stupid that they will vote for an osamabama?

I had heard that before he won the the nomination that he was pretty close in the poles with McCain.   I heard he got a bounce from billary quitting but....  that stuff goes away naturally.

I am just thinking that it is a race... the race is not for him to win but to lose.  The longer people have to get to know him and hear him the worse it will be for him.  If he can just make speeches and avoid content he will win.

lazs

[Toad]

hmm.. you guys think it is really that bad?   That Americans are so stupid that they will vote for an osamabama?

lazs

In a word, yes. To both questions.

[Shuckins]

New entitlement programs will be created and old entitlement programs will grow by leaps and bounds.  He will punish the evil corporations, oil companies, and the guilty rich with much higher tax rates.

Give him four years and you won't recognize our economy.