Questions with death

[Yossarian]

Oogly50,
I have only one thing for you:

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Second that.

Oogly50, there's just no point in worrying about dying.  If anyone tells you that fear of dying will fade as you get older, ignore it.  I'm 16 and not overly afraid of it.  Sure, I don't want to die, but I know that I will, and I know that when I do, that Heaven comes afterwards.

As for religion, there is no proof that God exists - only faith.  You sound like you want to believe in God, so I'd recommend that you search for miracles on Google, and see what comes up.  There was a program on PBS a few years ago on Christmas Eve about miracles, and that's part of why I believe in God.  Also, try talking to a priest about it.

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Yossarian

[Baitman]

Motherland agreed:aok If we are hard wired for morality then we would have no wars, crime, killings and the third world would value life the same as we do. That doesn't happen ergo morality is learned.

[DmonSlyr]

the only thing i hate about religion is that moses and all these people were able to talk to god. and we believe it right.

but the second some random guy gets on the radio and says he talks to god, everyone thinks hes crazy and makes fun of him.
so what makes moses so specail. If one of your friends came up to you and said hey i spoke to god, you would laugh at him.

to me religion was a way to keep  order in the world. the catholics for example rulled europe for thousands of years based on religion. without religion people would not have any thing to strive for. they would not be good because some king told them to. but hell if a man from "god" told them to do something then they better do it or they will burn in hell.

religion is hard to graps... for me its hard to imagine that one thing "god" whatever he/she/it is exsist because of how big the universe is. how did god get to be god?

for me its just something that the government back 20,000 years ago placed on the people just so they could have order amoung the people. which in reality needs to happen for a safe world.

then you see all these people fighting cause of different religion, we it says killing is a sin right. so how the hell can these people believe in something so strong, then go off and totally ignore the biggest sin in the bible and kill 4000 people. i just dont get it.

[Baitman]

Totally Agreed

What came first God or the Egg (who created God)

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What came first God or the Egg (who created God)

Thats my favorite thing to stump religious people with when they say "if theres no God then where did everything come from?"

Theres just somethings we'll never know the answers too, it doesn't mean some invisible guy did it.

[mtnman]

morality comes from god just as we do.

lazs

If this were true, we would be inherently moral, just as we're inherently human.  We wouldn't need to be "told" right from wrong, since we'd already know.  The Ten Commandments would be redundant.  We wouldn't need to be told "Thou Shalt not kill!" any more than we need to be told "Thou Shalt Walk on Two Feet!".

There would be no need to "remind" people of basic moral values, or to understand that different people at different times have DIFFERENT moral values, unless we come from different gods, so therefore have different values.

The happy/unhappy thing isn't mine...  It comes from one of the worlds foremost philosophers.

Who says killing people is bad?  I think the more accepted view goes more like "killing people your community sees as acceptable is bad."  Is it bad for a soldier to kill an enemy?  Is he a sinner?  Is it bad for me to kill in defense of myself or others?  

I know a lady who seems normal, yet swears that dinosaurs never existed.  She believes that a certain deity placed those fossils for us to find as a test of our faith.

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If this were true, we would be inherently moral, just as we're inherently human.  We wouldn't need to be "told" right from wrong, since we'd already know.  The Ten Commandments would be redundant.  We wouldn't need to be told "Thou Shalt not kill!" any more than we need to be told "Thou Shalt Walk on Two Feet!".

There would be no need to "remind" people of basic moral values, or to understand that different people at different times have DIFFERENT moral values, unless we come from different gods, so therefore have different values.

The happy/unhappy thing isn't mine...  It comes from one of the worlds foremost philosophers.

Who says killing people is bad?  I think the more accepted view goes more like "killing people your community sees as acceptable is bad."  Is it bad for a soldier to kill an enemy?  Is he a sinner?  Is it bad for me to kill in defense of myself or others? 

I know a lady who seems normal, yet swears that dinosaurs never existed.  She believes that a certain deity placed those fossils for us to find as a test of our faith.

well the commandment "thou shalt not kill" a more accurate translation is " thou shall not Murder" not every word of the King James bible, is translated perfect.

it is more to the lines of lying in wait to murder in "cold blood" for no good reason. some people need killing, but mankinds screwed up societies twists the word of God to suit there desires.

 but that still does not change the fact that it is wrong to kill for no reason. 

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Alot of studies have shown that the brains of murders, and more so serial murders do work differently then a normal person, when they kill someone it doesn't effect them like it would effect you or me, and alot of them have had normal moral upbringings.

[potsNpans]

I've been questioning death lately, and quite frankly, it scares me...
Please, someone, help me change my mind.  I want to believe, but I just can't.

Thanks guys, for all your meaningful AND meaningless words. 

However, I myself am not afraid of death... I die when I die, and either way, I can't decide if heaven exists or not...
It's more of how I'll cope with it when my parents/dog/friends... boat... when THEY all die. 

Guess I read this at a bad time.Seemed interesting at first, but if all your worried about is how you'll feel about the demise of someone or something other than yourself. I guess if your a selfish candy @&& you'll cry over yourself, or conversely you saddle up and get over it like every body else.

[SPKmes]

well the commandment "thou shalt not kill" a more accurate translation is " thou shall not Murder" not every word of the King James bible, is translated perfect.

it is more to the lines of lying in wait to murder in "cold blood" for no good reason. some people need killing, but mankinds screwed up societies twists the word of God to suit there desires.

 but that still does not change the fact that it is wrong to kill for no reason. 

This has been a translation to suit... it is thou shalt not kill.... however, how can you kill another human being who has been molded from as they say god and therefore any killing would be a direct assault/killing on the power himself. Thou Shalt not murder and let's put a sub clause under the heading 'Holy War' .... Now let's go get them....


But hey that's only my version of events to help my argument

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This has been a translation to suit... it is thou shalt not kill.... however, how can you kill another human being who has been molded from as they say god and therefore any killing would be a direct assault/killing on the power himself. Thou Shalt not murder and let's put a sub clause under the heading 'Holy War' .... Now let's go get them....

not ALL people call Yahaveh father, some people have satan in there hearts and they Rape, murder, molest,

these people need to be put down like a rabid dog. 

[Baitman]

not ALL people call Yahaveh father, some people have satan in there hearts and they Rape, murder, molest,

these people need to be put down like a rabid dog. 

"He who is with out sin cast the first stone"

Count me out

[SPKmes]

Aye .... but as this post has revealed, everybody believes in something and to them it is true and just. Who is wrong ?

Finalization comes to all. Everything is just electrically generated particles and one day the power will be switched off.

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"He who is with out sin cast the first stone"

Count me out

i hear ya there, thats why I am not a vigilante,

but without a doubt those 3 things, if someone tried with my family, i would not feel guilty about taking there life.

or say if i was was in a store and someone tried to rob it, i would do whatever it took to stop them.

as a Man of God we are supposed to stand up for what is right, no matter the cost.

[Baitman]

Everything is just electrically generated particles and one day the power will be switched off.

MAYBE we are all sims playing flight sims