American commies are for Obama!

[Holden McGroin]

What's so bad about totalitarian state? At least it's more transparent then so-called "democracy" and much, much more effective in achieving it's goals. And the goals are usually not just the prosperity for a bunch of crooks.

What's so bad about a totalitaria...  Lets see... Mao, Hitler and your buddy Uncle Joe...  three famous totalitarians.

I can give you maybe 90 million examples of what they did wrong.

Power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutley.

Can anyone please tell me the goals of American society? What is it all for?

We wrote it down 232 years ago today.   

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Amen 

[Boroda]

What's so bad about a totalitaria...  Lets see... Mao, Hitler and your buddy Uncle Joe...  three famous totalitarians.

I can give you maybe 90 million examples of what they did wrong.

Power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutley.

I can give you much more examples of why _your_ system is wrong. Don't even bother comparing numbers, you guys always win.

We wrote it down 232 years ago today.   

Nice day to ask such questions Congratulations!

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - it's nothing but meaningless words, as anything that general.

As I see it now you guys try to take worst things from totaliatarian state and combine it with worst features of so-called "democracy" in it's Western meaning. Less and less transparent system with corrupt goals.

Just to compare: in USSR people had much more opportunities to control government and change something then you guys have now. "Private property", "free market" and "capitalism" are senseless idols that you blindly worship. GM buying and closing public transportation companies back in 1920s, now corporations closing their factories, making thousands unemployed just to make a bunch of crooks 0.01% richer...

Unfortunately now we got the same crap here, even worse, with our right-wing "liberals" that seriously said that 90% of Russian population is not "suitable for free-market economy".

[moot]

Communism sucks.  It's not just some unfortunate outcome of human nature like wasting opportunities in a free market (e.g. american trend of growing a fat arse rather than producing something useful), it's the intentional totalitarian stifling of people.  Bollocks to that.

[Holden McGroin]

As I see it now you guys try to take worst things from totaliatarian state and combine it with worst features of so-called "democracy" in it's Western meaning. Less and less transparent system with corrupt goals.

Why do despots first have to get rid of the opposition to achieve totalitarian goals?

Let's look at the economic equality of Zimbabwe for example.  You think that anybody in that country has more economic power than Mugabe?

Get real.

As far as murder of their own, totalitarians are the grand champions.  Constitutional democracies, ones that allow opposition that is, aren't even in the minor leagues.

[Joker]

Time to play the picture game.  

Now if I were at a protest in Cali... what groups should I expect to see... ? Well here we go...



This guy I don't think has a day job. There's inevitably a picture of him at virtually every protest. He hates jews, literally.
(Image removed from quote.)

This fellow is either Ralph Nader or his clone...

  Joker

[bj229r]

Typical, buncha rich, white kids from the burbs decrying the inequities of the 'system', while complaining to mommy and daddy that their car is now 3 years old and they can't get chicks anymore....

[bj229r]

"Which may be true.  However we are laughing at these people that think ULTIMATE CORRUPTION AND MURDEROUS EMPIRES are the solution to mere casual government corruption."

   What in the world are you talking about.  These people are standing up for there rights and holding the government accountable for there actions. 

Such the 'Catch-22': If these dipsticks HAD the kind of government they wanted, they'd be arrested and tortured for protesting against it

[Boroda]

Why do despots first have to get rid of the opposition to achieve totalitarian goals?

Let's look at the economic equality of Zimbabwe for example.  You think that anybody in that country has more economic power than Mugabe?

Get real.

Mugabe got "democratically elected", wasn't he?

Zimbabwe/South Rhodesia is a good example of where "democracy" can lead. Under totalitarian rule such people get isolated.

As far as murder of their own, totalitarians are the grand champions.  Constitutional democracies, ones that allow opposition that is, aren't even in the minor leagues.

Your problem is that you don't consider your victims "human".

Again, Hitler got democratically elected, and nazism is a pure evil regardless to basic political system. Soviet "totalitarianism" killed much less people then US of A did at the same period of time.

[indy007]

Mugabe got "democratically elected", wasn't he?

Having an election doesn't mean it's a democracy.

[angelsandair]

I can give you much more examples of why _your_ system is wrong. Don't even bother comparing numbers, you guys always win.

Nice day to ask such questions Congratulations!

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - it's nothing but meaningless words, as anything that general.

As I see it now you guys try to take worst things from totaliatarian state and combine it with worst features of so-called "democracy" in it's Western meaning. Less and less transparent system with corrupt goals.

Just to compare: in USSR people had much more opportunities to control government and change something then you guys have now. "Private property", "free market" and "capitalism" are senseless idols that you blindly worship. GM buying and closing public transportation companies back in 1920s, now corporations closing their factories, making thousands unemployed just to make a bunch of crooks 0.01% richer...

Unfortunately now we got the same crap here, even worse, with our right-wing "liberals" that seriously said that 90% of Russian population is not "suitable for free-market economy".

So you're telling us that Communism is better than Democracy?  

[Boroda]

Having an election doesn't mean it's a democracy.

So what's your criteria? Democracy = power of democrats?

You probably don't get me, Mugabe really got elected by the majority, he was whet they really wanted.

[angelsandair]

So what's your criteria? Democracy = power of democrats?

You probably don't get me, Mugabe really got elected by the majority, he was whet they really wanted.

Democracy:

Demo-People

Cratin-rule

(IIRC)

[bj229r]

So what's your criteria? Democracy = power of democrats?

You probably don't get me, Mugabe really got elected by the majority, he was whet they really wanted.

Well....one criteria might be NOT beating and hacking to death those who support the opposition

[lazs2]

I am not for democracy.. I am for a representitive republic with very limited government. 


The "goal" should be individual freedom and individual rights.   Communism is a soul and spirit killer.   I do not care about it's goals.   The expression "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" describes modern communism to me.

"leave me alone" is not an option.

communism is immoral..  any government that takes from one person to give to another... by force..(and that is what government is, force) is an immoral government.  the more of that it does the more immoral it is.

communism is the most immoral and socialism is just a lighter and slightly less immoral version of communism.

lazs