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Offline Steve

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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2008, 02:52:37 PM »
It carries tons of ordinance, flies forever, and is a pretty good fighter

I agree with you 100%. However, compared to other late war rides in the MA, it is inferior.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2008, 02:54:49 PM »
Steve the 51D might be a little worse than the other late war rides, but it's still 'very good' compared to them.  Not gonna split hairs, but that's all I'm saying. :)
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2008, 02:56:33 PM »
Making stuff up? I don't think so!  Where's the context?  The only time I ran in a 152 from your pony was a long time ago, after chasing you for at least a sector and a half, because you couldn't fight on your own.

In my pony??  I haven't flown a pony since... January?  I was in a 190 when you were running in the 152.  You blew by me head-on and then dove down to engage guys lower than me, and I chased.  You augered over the water for some reason.

Moot, the extent to which you are making stuff up is just sad.  I don't know why you feel the need to do it.  You hardly know me and we've hardly encountered each other in the arena.  In fact, when I saw you do the funky chicken in the 38, it was the first time I'd ever fought you in the arenas, at least to my knowledge.  I'd seen your name in here a bunch of times, and was very surprised indeed.  At least you admit it.

Maybe's there's something about me personally that you don't like, you have a habit of picking on my posts.  Whatever, if that's what floats your boat...  but my flying you've hardly seen; the same can be said in the other direction.

I have no idea how you haven't gotten kicked out of JG11 along with Syrax, or whatever his name was.

Maybe you should ask them.  You might hear something different than what you've made up your mind to believe, as if it's a kind of religious fervor.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2008, 02:57:22 PM »
i have fought Moot in his 152, he is a very very good stick, and when you fly against him if you dont learn something than you cant learn.
there are others like him in there perspective planes
Wingzero in his N1k
Coronado in his Zero
Grim in his Hurri
Adonai in his k4
Agent360 also in the K4
FalconWing in his LA
AKdogg in his F4
Shawk in his F4
Lynx in whatever he is flying
Skyrock also in whatever he is flying
and allot of the Army of Muppet's

there are many more but its hard to remember them all
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2008, 02:58:10 PM »
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Humm.. that name sound familiar..

Thanks all for the continued comments.  It appears that I am not the only one who doesn't quite get the mentality. 

I really enjoy most of the fights I get into.  Only once in a while, when I don't have the time or patience to play with a pick/runner do I get frustrated. 

Had I the time, I would have gone up in my own K4 to see what he was really made of. 

I will be on the look out for this player.  Esp when I have friends :)
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2008, 03:06:16 PM »
In my pony??  I haven't flown a pony since... January?  I was in a 190 when you were running in the 152.  You blew by me head-on and then dove down to engage guys lower than me, and I chased.  You augered over the water for some reason.

Moot, the extent to which you are making stuff up is just sad.  I don't know why you feel the need to do it.  You hardly know me and we've hardly encountered each other in the arena.  In fact, when I saw you do the funky chicken in the 38, it was the first time I'd ever fought you in the arenas, at least to my knowledge.  I'd seen your name in here a bunch of times, and was very surprised indeed.  At least you admit it.

Maybe's there's something about me personally that you don't like, you have a habit of picking on my posts.  Whatever, if that's what floats your boat...  but my flying you've hardly seen; the same can be said in the other direction.
It happened like I said, and if it wasnt you, it was your mongolian twin Syrax.  There'd be no way to tell you two apart without radio text/vox, and maybe plane choice.

The extent to which I make stuff up is nill. I say it exactly as it is. You can't fight for crap and rarely even try.  If my HDD wasn't fried I'd dig up at least a couple of films where you fly exactly like I described. One of the best of these is Freez and Agent trying to get a fight out of you a sector away while I'm doing something else, and you running for at least a sector and a half rather than fight. The funny thing for me that makes me so intolerant like you point out, is that your posts read just like all the flying I've seen from you.. rubbish.  So when you come in a thread and try to excuse some K4 flying by the Timid Textbook, I'll call it exactly like I see it.

There's a lot of very good examples of 109 flying, e.g. Stang in F4s, the Finns in G2 and G6s, Agent and Messiah and Freez in K4s..  There's also some pretty good average sticks in them.. Then there's the total new guys who have barely any idea what to do, and then there's sticks like you who look like they meant to play Flight Simulator Tourist Edition or something.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2008, 03:18:14 PM »
That you put syrax and I together is ironic, I can tell you why but not here.  On the other hand, I'll admit in an instant that I ran from a 2vs1 in a 190D-9,  :D especially when I could tell that one was agent360.  I was having a heck of a time with my new pedals then.  We all run sometimes, even you. :aok

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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2008, 03:30:18 PM »
The only reason I'll run is if there's a better fight the way I'm running, and the only reason I'll auger is because AltF4 is a slower way to get back to the tower and find a better fight.  The only reason I stick stir is like I said above, a way to flip my finger at tards who're not worth the effort.  The only reason I've gotten called out for it for the first time, now, after years of playing, is because it happens that rarely.  Anyone will confirm this. The only reason it's you who brought it up, is because that's all you can find to somehow reply to me calling you out for exactly what you are, some guy who plays multiplayer games to run from other players, and pretend his poop doesn't smell like it.
It doesn't matter if you're great buddies with the rest of JG11 and can't stand Syrax yourself.. You're both the same as far as gameplay and fun is concerned.

I think that covers it.
edit - And I'll run the risk of being censored for this... But I say it because it's exactly what I think, aka honesty.  I'm not even doing this out of ego like you tried to say in another post.  And don't bother with PMs.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2008, 03:31:59 PM »
gava those red guys sure think ur plane is prrty ;)

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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2008, 03:35:22 PM »
gava those red guys sure think ur plane is prrty ;)


Actualy I avoid his plane just like I avoid a few other players who never make it worthwhile.  Just like I avoid other instances where I know the gameplay is going to be brought as low as possible.. e.g. guys who sink a good furball's CV.
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2008, 03:40:02 PM »
Hiya Moot.

Not going to get in the middle of this.  You are both grown men.  Just wanted to clarify the one point that has me scratching my head.  "Syrax" is NOT in JG11.  He was, for a total of 11 hours, before I removed him.  G-man has never given cause for removal from the Gruppe, and frankly I see him as an asset to the squad. 

What goes on in the MA, I don't pretend to know, as I don't fly in the MA, but I can assure you, G-man is a fighter in the AvA, or he would not be in the Sonderstaffel.

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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2008, 03:44:23 PM »
Perhaps you should fly in the "all co-alt spit only arena."

Please point the way...I'm always interested in something new.  :rofl
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2008, 04:07:42 PM »
I am not going to reference to this specific incident as I was not there and there's always three versions to every engagement...His version, the other guy's version and what really happened....but...

Fighter combat aircraft in reality and therefore their approximate respective models in AH were designed specifically to perform in a mutual support capacity. Fighter aircraft were not intended to be employed individually against a single opponent in a hermetically sealed off environment. They were designed to support and mutually assist one another against a multitude of usually dissimilar performing aircraft. This environment is roughly approximated in the MA but with much more diversity, making this fact even more important.

The poorer an aircraft's turning radius the more poorly suited it is to face-off against a single enemy who can outmaneuver it (other factors being equal of course). Obviously, if the poorer turner has a distinct energy or positional advantage he can force the turner into the defensive mode temporarily. But, a decent stick in a very maneuverable plane who has a modicum of SA can generally ruin a guns solution long enough to equalize E states forcing the less maneuverable opponent to retreat or fight at a severe disadvantage. Anyone who has tried to bounce Greebo's F6F can attest to this truth.

The fiction perpetuated in the game that everyone must 1 vs 1 every plane they come across is simply a perverted manifestation of "internet bravado" with no basis in reality and entirely out of context with the design concepts of the planes we fly. The early war rides that turn on a dime and give you change are best suited to the 1 vs 1 as they will almost always be more maneuverable than their opponent. If everyone accepted every 1 vs 1, regardless of the situation and match-up, pretty soon we'd all be flying nothing but Spits, Hurricanes, Zekes and Nikis. We can see by the relative unpopularity of the Early War arena that this mode of gaming does not hold much interest for the vast majority of players.

The faster, less manuverable, later war, rides are interesting because they offer more of a challenge than simply being able to latch onto a guy's six and stay they until he either dies or you get picked. The fact that there are faster planes about that do pick the more maneuverable planes actually facilitates gameplay balance. If there was not this intrinsic liability to the relatively time consumung vulnerability of the "ride the saddle and hammer away" approach it would be practically futile to fly any plane but the top 3-4 flavors of turners. I am sure most will agree there's already sufficient prevalence of Spits, Nikis and Hurricane's in the MA...
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2008, 04:40:07 PM »
We can see by the relative unpopularity of the Early War arena that this mode of gaming does not hold much interest for the vast majority of players.

Of course the smaller plane set and general lack of late war uber rides has nothing to do with it......  :rolleyes:
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Re: Pickers and runners please help me understand...
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2008, 04:47:15 PM »
The P51D is like the Ta152. Even though the stats don't show it as a good ride it is insanely good. I have kept up in turnfights with Spitfire Mk16's in both of these aircraft (below 5k), and done other things that most people will never realize that either of these aircraft can do because the only BnZ with them.I'm curious as to how the 109 got lumped in with that crowd...

if you were able to out turn a Spitfire Mk XVI in a P-51D then the Spitfire driver was absolutely clueless and obviously didn't know what they were doing. 

It's like when I am able to out turn Zekes, I don't automatically assume I can because the P-38 is a better turn but rather I was able to because the other guy was clueless. 



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