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Offline Serenity

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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2008, 10:14:05 PM »
Wow.

It doesn't bother you that you would be required to wear a device on your person, that is there for the sole purpose of controlling your actions, in order to fly on a commercial flight?

You are willing to give up your freedom to not be chained up or incarcerated, when you have done nothing to warrant such an action?

You are willing to give up the very hardwon freedoms that your Fathers, Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers so vehemently defended?

Please enter the pen with the rest of the sheep, someone will be along shortly to brand and feed you.

wow.

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I feel neither chained nor incarcerated by this. Nor am I giving up any freedoms. As a passenger ELECTING to fly on whichever airliner I am flying on, I am also ELECTING to subject myself for their choice of security measure. No freedom is being lost because you are not being FORCED to do anything. You want to fly on their plane, follow their rules or learn to drive/swim/walk or get your own PPL.

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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2008, 10:19:23 PM »
As long as the pilots wear it too...

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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2008, 12:28:09 AM »
I feel neither chained nor incarcerated by this. Nor am I giving up any freedoms. As a passenger ELECTING to fly on whichever airliner I am flying on, I am also ELECTING to subject myself for their choice of security measure. No freedom is being lost because you are not being FORCED to do anything. You want to fly on their plane, follow their rules or learn to drive/swim/walk or get your own PPL.

I guess you really don't understand what it's all about. That is very sad.

You and the other sheep will at least be safe and secure in the pen though. Don't worry about the branding, it only stings for a second or two.

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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2008, 12:30:27 AM »
Or we should just take the giant leap and tell Airlines that they can't do what they want on their privately owned Airplanes.


If you don't like that you'd be wearing a shock bracelet, don't get on the damn plane. 
They tell me what I can and can't do to another unwilling (for the most part) individual.

Seriously.  Are you people intentionally being retarded?  Or is it just that time of month again?

It could be that these people can just read.  The linked article is about the TSA's interest in using the bracelet, not the airlines.  The TSA is operated by the Department of Homeland Security, which is a federal agency, which means they work for us.
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2008, 12:36:05 AM »
I'd be happy to go back to the way it was.  Less intrusion, less waiting, less nonsense.  I'd be happy to take my chances knowing how likely it'd be that I end up on a plane that gets hijacked or blown to bits ...or that I win the lottery ...or that I get struck by lightning.  And if a plane did get hijacked, something tells me they'd have a rougher time trying to take control of the airplane this time around.
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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2008, 12:44:18 AM »
I agree SOB.

Also I guess "sad" isn't the word I should have used. Scary is more like it.

What is really scary is there are young people who are buying into this stuff, and agreeing that it is okay to be physically restrained / chained up / etc etc because it "is safer". These kids are going to someday hold some power in decisions like this...that is the real scary part.

Man, I thought we blew right through "1984" without a hitch.

Guess I better go lock up the sheep.

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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2008, 02:04:43 AM »
It could be that these people can just read.  The linked article is about the TSA's interest in using the bracelet, not the airlines.  The TSA is operated by the Department of Homeland Security, which is a federal agency, which means they work for us.

That's the ticket. In my haste to get through the article I misinterpreted it to indicate the AIRLINES wanted to impliment this policy. On an airline-by-airline basis I think this is fine. However having the entire TSA impose this removes the option of flying another airline, so thats when I feel its a bit much. It goes from an option to a command.

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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2008, 03:23:44 AM »
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It goes from an option to a command.

Even the way you read it, it was still a command albeit a command from a private company.
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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2008, 07:30:05 AM »
*sigh*

Isn't it obvious?


not to a shockinglylarge majority of them :D
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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2008, 07:38:51 AM »
i have flown for 40 years but not anymore, flying has gone from just boring to a real pain in the a**.

if i can't drive there i don't go. I would like to take a train but i can't find one.

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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2008, 07:39:22 AM »
I feel neither chained nor incarcerated by this. Nor am I giving up any freedoms. As a passenger ELECTING to fly on whichever airliner I am flying on, I am also ELECTING to subject myself for their choice of security measure. No freedom is being lost because you are not being FORCED to do anything. You want to fly on their plane, follow their rules or learn to drive/swim/walk or get your own PPL.

your freedom in that insatance isn't being lost. you're GIVING IT UP. you are restricted. for now, they say it will only be actvated in event of an emergency. next year they'll say it will zap you if you leave your seat without permission from the flight attendants. in a couple more years, if you're a frequent lfyer, then they'll say..""keep it on all the time, because we need to know what you're doing all the time.  see the possible problem here?

 it's ashame, as our younger people like you are so brainwashed, that you're perfectly willing to allow something like this. that's not a shot at you.....it's just a statement in general.

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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2008, 07:41:53 AM »
I'd be happy to go back to the way it was.  Less intrusion, less waiting, less nonsense.  I'd be happy to take my chances knowing how likely it'd be that I end up on a plane that gets hijacked or blown to bits ...or that I win the lottery ...or that I get struck by lightning.  And if a plane did get hijacked, something tells me they'd have a rougher time trying to take control of the airplane this time around.


and to think.....if the airlines would invest a few bucks.......

blast proof bulkheads and doors to the cockpit. blast proof cargo containers for luggage.........didn't the isrealis do these things in the late 70's? and they've never had another hijacking?
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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2008, 08:03:38 AM »
Waiting for Penn Jillette to start his "Bacon and a Kiss" airline:

Eat a piece of bacon (that would be pork bacon, Rip). Kiss someone of the same sex full on the lips. Board the plane. No search, no muss, no fuss, carry a gun bomb or whatever. Sounds like a plan to me.

Awesome idea.  A big plus would be that I'd never have to sit next to a vegetarian.
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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2008, 09:57:57 AM »
I would be so glad to have it go back to the way it was that I might even fly again.

I would ask only that concealed carry card holders and off duty cops be allowed to carry on the plane.   I would want the pilots to be armed and behind blast proof doors.

I want it back the way it was.   This is exactly the reason why change is not always good.. that change can mean cancer or going broke or.. running out of gas for your car or being taxed into lower class status.. it can mean schools teach even less and get even farther behind..  change is not always good..  hope is fine but....  intangible and well.. ever hear "be careful what you wish for.. you just might get it." ?

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Re: Airline departure SHOCKING!
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2008, 01:09:41 PM »
your freedom in that insatance isn't being lost. you're GIVING IT UP. you are restricted. for now, they say it will only be actvated in event of an emergency. next year they'll say it will zap you if you leave your seat without permission from the flight attendants. in a couple more years, if you're a frequent lfyer, then they'll say..""keep it on all the time, because we need to know what you're doing all the time.  see the possible problem here?

 it's ashame, as our younger people like you are so brainwashed, that you're perfectly willing to allow something like this. that's not a shot at you.....it's just a statement in general.



Yes, and seatbelts are for communists! While this might be an extreme and almost useless idea, it still isnt restricted freedom.