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Offline Shamus

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #105 on: July 20, 2008, 01:21:32 PM »
I'm sure bacteria will cooperate and poop some more to cover our needs.

Well I sure hope they start pooping faster than they have been.

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #106 on: July 20, 2008, 03:36:44 PM »
gas use in the US dropped 1% this year, now that means exponentially it should drop 2% next year and 4% the year after which mean exponentially the US should use 0 gas in about 7 years.

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #107 on: July 20, 2008, 04:51:03 PM »
I knew some day reading that Mark Twain novel would help me in "real life."   :rofl

I remembered a passage from "Life on the Mississippi" where Mark Twain took issue with the kind of math discussed in this thread. Quick Google search of "Mark Twain Length of Mississippi" yields this fabulous link:

http://math.smith.edu/Local/cicchap1/node12.html

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The Lower Mississippi River meanders over its flat valley, forming broad loops called ox-bows.  In a flood, the river can jump its banks and cut off one of these loops, getting shorter in the process. In his book Life on the Mississippi (1884), Mark Twain  suggests, with tongue in cheek, that some day the river might even vanish! Here is a passage that shows us some of the pitfalls in using rates to predict the future and the past.

In the space of one hundred and seventy six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over a mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oölitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-pole. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo [Illinois] and New Orleans will have joined their streets together and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Bold mine for emphasis.   :D


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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #108 on: July 21, 2008, 03:18:58 AM »
Yeah, I know. Ignorance is bliss eh?

I like this quote: "Ignoring facts does not make them go away."

Certainly the case with most people, including the majority of this community.

this attitude is exactly why they will ignore it.

it doesn't help your case.

know that. 

it's important. 

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #109 on: July 21, 2008, 08:18:47 AM »
oil is a renewable resource.. we are using it faster than the fields we have discovered can produce.. there are lots of fields that we have not discovered.

we need to both reduce demand and find new fields.

How is that for simple math?

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #110 on: July 21, 2008, 11:15:26 AM »
we need to both reduce demand

This is the first step, finding alternative fuels would be the next. :aok

I still have a hard time believing that crude is constantly being created. I think it is more like the crude is slowly moving underground(much like water) from small pockets to larger ones. :aok
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #111 on: July 21, 2008, 02:49:50 PM »
ooooook...  then make "reduce demand" number one and "find alternatives" number two and "find and drill for new oil " number three...

But then do all three at once and with equal vigor..  and keep government out of all of em.

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #112 on: July 21, 2008, 03:07:48 PM »
 
1. We would need countries like China and India to reduce there consumption as well. It's not just us causing the price to skyrocket.

2. We definitely need to find alternatives.

3. Private companies drill for oil, which would be sold on the world market.  How are we going to see a price break again if you believe in a free market? 

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #113 on: July 21, 2008, 03:20:02 PM »
Problem there is the large oil companies of the world are owned by politicians or their close friends.  :O
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #114 on: July 21, 2008, 03:28:17 PM »
oil is a renewable resource.. we are using it faster than the fields we have discovered can produce.. there are lots of fields that we have not discovered.

we need to both reduce demand and find new fields.

How is that for simple math?

lazs

If it's that simple, there would be no energy crisis, nor any reason to the laws of the marke to raise the prize....
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #115 on: July 22, 2008, 08:25:05 AM »
angus.. the easy oil is getting more scarce.. it will cost more per barrel as time goes on unless some new way to drill is found or some way to convert some other products like shale oil and coal.

The price will rise but we won't run out.

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