Intolerance in education...

[Vulcan]

People PLEASE!

This thread is NOT about what you are arguing about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is about the CLAIM that a PUBLIC service/institution (higher education) singling out a group of people and discriminating against them.

You want to discuss evolution vs creation or there is or is not a God START YOUR OWN THREAD!

As far I know they only singled out a group of BOOKS, those same people could be taught from approved books and there would be no issues.

[wrag]

As far I know they only singled out a group of BOOKS, those same people could be taught from approved books and there would be no issues.

Excuse me............

Who decides which books are APPROVED?  YOU?

That don't IMHO float ANY boat!

Saying that someone CAN'T learn something because they read an UNAPPROVED book is IMHO LAME!

It's IMHO an EXCUSE to discriminate!

If the SAT says they have the KNOWLEDGE then why would a BOOK they read disqualify them from attending and continuing the education and learning?

I find myself wondering if this isn't more of a case of someone seeking REVENGE on society for what they felt was discrimination against them?

AND I have to say two wrongs STILL don't add up to a single right!

[Vulcan]

Saying that someone CAN'T learn something because they read an UNAPPROVED book is IMHO LAME!

Err actually it's fairly common in education to want people to learn/teach from an approved curriculum.

 Dunno bout the SAT question, we don't have the full story to make a call on that, you are just jumping to a conclusion on that.

[59funkman]

Jebus forbid one of the top 5 universities in the world actually has admission requirements that students actually learn reality-based academic information instead of ancient superstitions!

[lasersailor184]

Top 5?  In the world?


 



I hope you aren't banned again, at least for a little while.  You're good for one decent laugh a week.

[AKIron]

Jebus forbid one of the top 5 universities in the world actually has admission requirements that students actually learn reality-based academic information instead of ancient superstitions!

Why not judge suitability on SAT scores? This is not a rhetorical question. My answer is that they are anti-chrisitian bigots. If you have no better answer mine stands.

[bustr]

If you check the california government link to california postsecondary education accreditation by the U.S. Department of Education.

http://www.cpec.ca.gov/CollegeGuide/AccreditingAgencies.asp?Type=USDOE

You will note that Christian religious schools are accredited along with bacheloric and liberal arts programs. The UC college system is targeting christians "AGAIN". They have been taken to court numerous times in the past 10 years on 1st Amendment issues related to christianity and have lost. The california education system from day care through post doctoral is rabidly anti-christian.

The UC system is a state school system and federaly funded system. So if this goes to the courts the following will be touched on.

“Thus,” the Supreme Court made clear in
Cantwell, “the Amendment embraces two concepts—
freedom to believe and freedom to act.” In short, the
meaning of the religion clauses was stated clearly by the
Supreme Court in Zelman: The state may not “advance”
(Establishment Clause) nor “inhibit” (Free Exercise
Clause) religion.

Vulcan has no understanding of the U.S. constitution, especially how the 1st amendment applys to religion and government funded schools.

If a student passes the S.A.T.,,what does it matter how he or she was schooled before taking the exam?

If you go to F.I.R.E. "Foundation for Individual Rights in Education" :  http://www.thefire.org/

You will see a pattern of U.S. colleges and universities descriminating against christians and christian student organizations that end up with the institution shooting themselves in the foot for violations of the student(s) 1st amendment rights. American institutions of higher learning are dominated by Liberal secularists who descriminate against christian students as an act of faith.

[59funkman]

Top 5?  In the world?

Actually top 3 if you go by Academic Ranking of World Universities but I'm not going to nitpick.

[lasersailor184]

Actually top 3 if you go by Academic Ranking of World Universities but I'm not going to nitpick.

 

Oh god!  Please stop!  I never knew that pansies were allowed to say TWO funny things a week.


*wipes away a tear* Oooh, that felt good.

The day I take the People's Communistic State of China's rankings of world colleges seriously, is the day I voluntarily move to San Francisco.

[59funkman]

Easy with the pansy stuff, don't want go get a ban now do we?  Anyways I'm a top not a bottom.

If you don't like ARWU (which is widely regarded as the best international ranking system) you can check out Times Higher Education.  UC doesn't do as well there, but it's still on top as far as public education, and certainly far above your earlier remarks.

[Vulcan]

Vulcan has no understanding of the U.S. constitution, especially how the 1st amendment applys to religion and government funded schools.

If a student passes the S.A.T.,,what does it matter how he or she was schooled before taking the exam?

Actually it's more like I don't have understanding of the US education system. So maybe you can help...

In NZ entrance into university was at one time via accreditation and a SAT like exam level (UE).  Accreditation was given by your school, to be able to do this the school had to teach from an approved subject structure and curriculum (eg certain levels of physics knowledge would be expected). If the school say taught creationism instead of evolution, then a university would be unlikely to accept accredited students, however if those students passed the UE exam then they would be accepted (regardess of the school or their religious beliefs).

Reading the article I assumed a similar thing happened, if the system works in a different way then yes you are right - the SAT scores (if it is like our old UE exam) should allow entrance.

[SkyRock]

What many forget is that there are soo many different beliefs even within the christian camp, just think of how many different denominations of christianity there are. School is not, nor should it ever be the place to have religious views taught, it is a sanctuary safe from those views and should stay that way.  I have always said, faith is a personal issue and should stay that way.

[AKIron]

Easy with the pansy stuff, don't want go get a ban now do we?  Anyways I'm a top not a bottom.

If you don't like ARWU (which is widely regarded as the best international ranking system) you can check out Times Higher Education.  UC doesn't do as well there, but it's still on top as far as public education, and certainly far above your earlier remarks.

And yet they seem to be a bunch of close minded bigots. One must wonder who ranks these schools? Could it be the bigots themselves?

[59funkman]

I've been through the UC a-g approval process and didn't encounter any bigotry or even an opportunity for bigotry.  It's very impersonal, and based purely on academic principles.  Looks like the court agrees.  The only things that UC are "bigoted" against in the a-g approval process are poor textbooks and poor courses.  Religion belongs in Social Studies.  Anyone who tries to bring it into to Physics or Math or English is going to be rightly rejected.

[AKIron]

What many forget is that there are soo many different beliefs even within the christian camp, just think of how many different denominations of christianity there are. School is not, nor should it ever be the place to have religious views taught, it is a sanctuary safe from those views and should stay that way.  I have always said, faith is a personal issue and should stay that way.

I'm certainly glad you did not write our constitution. Maybe you can explain why religious schools in this country perform far better on average than socialistic public schools? Ever hear the phrase, "the proof is in the pudding"?