T Boone Pickens

[Mojava]

T Boone Pickens has put together a good looking plan for energy independence  http://www.pickensplan.com/.  I don't know a whole lot about the guy, other than he funded that swift boat mess. He seems to be genuine in his appeal to both sides of the isle.  He's a good example of the American spirit, thinking big and innovation in times of adversity. 

[lasersailor184]

T Boone Pickens plan is to make himself richer.  While this is absolutely commendable, the fact that he's hiding it and trying to make himself seem noble and driven with a High Purpose is not.



"The man who wishes for the government to adopt and enforce HIS ideas, is the kind of man who's ideas are idiotic."

[Mojava]

 So do you agree with the plan?

 
"The man who wishes for the government to adopt and enforce HIS ideas, is the kind of man who's ideas are idiotic."

 Glad you didn't write the constitution, it would have remained blank paper.
 

[lasersailor184]

It would have been.



"Man cannot be governed, and free."

[Bones]

His plan is a joke, but it gets good press.  It all depends on the ignorance of people as to what is really available to provide power.

I suppose it is something though.

[Mojava]

 How is it a joke?

[rpm]

I fail to see how harnessing a natural rescource is a joke.

[BTW]

T Boone Pickens has put together a good looking plan for energy independence  http://www.pickensplan.com/.  I don't know a whole lot about the guy, other than he funded that swift boat mess. He seems to be genuine in his appeal to both sides of the isle.  He's a good example of the American spirit, thinking big and innovation in times of adversity. 

I put this in another thread, but Pickens leaves out all the problems with wind produced electricity. What, there's no drawbacks?
Surely you don't believe that? Wind doesn't blow all the time. You can't store the electricity the windmills produce. They need to be backed up by conventional electricity plants, and those plants must be always running. There's a lot of farmers in Texas raising windmills now instead of cattle, mostly because of subsidies. Wind power costs about 3 times what conventional power costs. Imagine a 300% increase in your light bill.

Here - read another point of view that differs from Pickens. You can always buy a windmill from him.

oops forgot the link..

http://www.reason.com/news/show/34839.html

[john9001]

windmills kill condors, so you can't put them in Cal. they will have to put them in your back yard.

[Mojava]

 That's from 2002, how does it apply to the increased cost of fuel today? Also I'm pretty sure we know how to store energy from turbines.

  "North and South Dakota by Global Winds Harvest. Schleede points out that electricity produced by the project likely will cost at least 2 cents more per kilowatt-hour than conventionally produced power"

  That doesn't look like 300%.  Also isn't the point to ween the US off foreign energy?

[Getback]

Let's put some additional reasoning to this. If wind was such a great resource then why isn't being used predominantly now?! Or why isn't solar power being used more often. The answer is because it is not economical. Every one is for reusable power that doesn't pollute. No one is for paying higher utilities. Well except T. Boone Pickens and it seems the Democrats are. These are not brand new ideas folks. I've read and heard about wind and solar power for almost my whole life. Nothing new is being invented or just now coming to the front. Don't you think that if some one could make millions off of these technologies they would have already. Currently the only way that can be done is to force you to buy the technology through government mandate. That will be expensive!

When the technology is there and when the market is ready we will use Wind and Solar energy.

What Pickens is trying to do is stall any oil development and that is what the democrats are trying to do as well. Pickens wants to make more money and the Democrats want power over every aspect of your life.

[john9001]

Nothing new is being invented

look up thin film photovoltaics.

[Mojava]

 The reason is because gas was $9.00 a barrel in 1999, we didn't feel a need to invest in other resources.  The brand new thing is gas at $140.00 a barrel. 

[Bones]

How is it a joke?

I fail to see how harnessing a natural resource is a joke.

Cost per watt is far too high using the methods he is purporting to use.  It may never pay for itself due to long term maintenance costs as well.  This is not free electricity.

All I am saying is there are better, more efficient ways to harness wind, and Sun.  There are also other methods to generate power that are viable which he is not even talking about.

There is a lot involved in doing something like this right.  His is more of a lip service approach, but I guess it is something.  I just do not see it working for the long term.

As a matter of fact, he is probably going to do more harm than good for the long term if he stays the course he is laying out.

[TracerX]

T Boone Pickens plan is to make himself richer.  While this is absolutely commendable, the fact that he's hiding it and trying to make himself seem noble and driven with a High Purpose is not.



"The man who wishes for the government to adopt and enforce HIS ideas, is the kind of man who's ideas are idiotic."

Hmmm...  sounds more like you are referring to Al Gore and his carbon credit offsets.  

T Boone Pickens is not trying to make himself richer.  He has already said he has more money than he can use.  He could loose money on this deal, and he is more genuine about his convictions than you can hope to get from anyone else.  I will consider his recommendations and solutions much better than any politicians solutions.