Run your car on water??????

[Tango]

http://www.halfwaterhalfgas.com/letterpop.php

I wonder how many people are actually sending money in for this.

[Stixx]

I wonder how many will have the guts to report that they were ripped off.
"Doh, I'm stoopid!"

[Hornet33]

Alot of people have paid for this garbage. This is the old waterforgas web site and they use masson jars, no bubblers or any other safety devices. Pretty much just building a fuel air bomb under the hood. Alot of people have seriously damaged their cars and gotten hurt with this set up, not to mention those book tell you to use baking soda as a catalyst, and regular tap water. NOT GOOD!!!! Tap water has too many impurities in it that will create a nasty brown sludge in the chamber, and baking soda will generate clorine gas and carbon dioxide which is really bad when you pump that into a running engine.

The hydroxy boosters do work for many people on many cars but they have to be built and maintained correctly. There are alot of things that have to be done to see results and most people don't know enough to read all the information out there and understand it all.

This is my first bench test booster made from cast acrylic tubing and 316 stainless steel electro plates in a double cell 8 plate per cell arrangment. This one make about 1.5 liters per minute of HHO gas and it burns just fine.


Booster chamber and bubblers


Electro plate double cell


Cell stack in the chamber

I'm building a larger chamber right now and have a new cell stack ready to install with a double stack 9 plate arrangment. Should get close to 2 LPM with the new one and that's what will go into my truck. I'll keep the smaller one as a bench test unti for further research.

[trax1]

See it's the oil companies keeping great ideas like this down.

[Stixx]

I stand corrected, thanks for the info Hornet 

[CAP1]

http://www.halfwaterhalfgas.com/letterpop.php

I wonder how many people are actually sending money in for this.

google search. you can find the plans free.

i did, and am building a small one right now

[CAP1]

Alot of people have paid for this garbage. This is the old waterforgas web site and they use masson jars, no bubblers or any other safety devices. Pretty much just building a fuel air bomb under the hood. Alot of people have seriously damaged their cars and gotten hurt with this set up, not to mention those book tell you to use baking soda as a catalyst, and regular tap water. NOT GOOD!!!! Tap water has too many impurities in it that will create a nasty brown sludge in the chamber, and baking soda will generate clorine gas and carbon dioxide which is really bad when you pump that into a running engine.

The hydroxy boosters do work for many people on many cars but they have to be built and maintained correctly. There are alot of things that have to be done to see results and most people don't know enough to read all the information out there and understand it all.

This is my first bench test booster made from cast acrylic tubing and 316 stainless steel electro plates in a double cell 8 plate per cell arrangment. This one make about 1.5 liters per minute of HHO gas and it burns just fine.

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Booster chamber and bubblers

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Electro plate double cell

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Cell stack in the chamber

I'm building a larger chamber right now and have a new cell stack ready to install with a double stack 9 plate arrangment. Should get close to 2 LPM with the new one and that's what will go into my truck. I'll keep the smaller one as a bench test unti for further research.

hornet....pm sent sir

[Dichotomy]

this dude has some interesting theories

http://www.permaculture.com/

don't know how viable they are but it's worth a look

[Angus]

So, distilled water and some add-in "cocktail" would actually work there? I mean safely?

[Maverick]

So, distilled water and some add-in "cocktail" would actually work there? I mean safely?

That's the sales pitch. So far no third party confirmation AFAIK.

[Hornet33]

So, distilled water and some add-in "cocktail" would actually work there? I mean safely?

Distilled water is 100% pure = no sludge. It is also 100% electricaly inert so an electrolite is needed to pass current through it. Potasium Hydroxide, KOH, or Sodium Hydroxide, NaOH are the preffered catalysts because neither give off any gasses when current is passed though them. Typically it takes roughly a tablespoon to 2 liters of distilled water to achive a good electrolite mixture. Fot the type of booster I'm building I'm looking for a 14 amp current draw on initial start up of a cold cell. I'll add or remove electrolite as needed be adding KOH or distilled water, until I have the current draw at 14 amps. Peak power draw should be around 20-22 amps when the cell is at max operating temp of around 120 degrees with an HHO output of between 1.5-2 liter per minute.

The output from the reaction chamber goes directly into a "bubbler" tube with the gas coming in through the bottom of the tube and bubbling up through distilled water before entering the air intake of the engine. The bubbler removes any traces of the KOH from the gas as well as cools the gas so steam is not injected into the engine. It also acts as a flame arrestor in the event of a back flash from the engine (not common in fuel injected engines, but possible in carborated engines) and prevents a flame front from going into the actual reaction chamber which is under pressure and filled with explosive HHO gas. There is also a one way check valve installed in the gas line between the booster and the bubbler to prevent the back pressure when the chamber cools from sucking water from the bubbler back into the lines and into the chamber.

Maverick is correct as far as I know about there being no published third party tests of one of these systems.....yet. I had my truck on the dyno at ATI Friday for the before install tests. Spent almost 2 hours having my truck run through it's paces in a controlled lab and they have all the data in their computer. When I finish my operational booster and have it installed, and the electronics package installed as well that adjusts the O2 sensor readings to compensate for the added O2 in the exahust, and I have some time to make any adjustments to the system, I'll be going back for a second round of tests for comparison to the baseline from Friday.

[Hornet33]

hornet....pm sent sir

Got your PM. I have all my parts lists, suppliers, and prices sitting on my desk at work. I'll shoot you a PM tomorrow sometime after lunch with all that info and the weblinks to the suppliers. 95% of the stuff I ordered online and had it shipped to my work address since I'm using the machine shop there to build the thing. Should also have some pics up this week, next week at the latest, of the booster in my truck.

[Angus]

How is salt for the job? Natrium chloride....it's used as a conductor for splitting water right?
Anyway, wasn't it supposed to be the heat who did the job there????

[Hornet33]

Salt is BAD!!!! Natrium Chloide gives off clorine gas when heated. No it isn't the heat that generates the HHO gas, it is the direct electrical current cracking the H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. The heat is generated from the electrical plates needed as conductors for the current. A properly built chamber with the correct amount of electrolite should never go above 130 degrees in normal operation. Any higher than that and your boiling the water and sending steam into the lines and engine.

Where people have problems is when they mount the things inside the engine compartment and over heat the booster just from the ambient air around the engine. Most people try and mount them in front of the radiator so they have fresh air flowing around the chamber but even then you have the engine heat in the radiator to deal with.

I'm mounting mine inside the tool box in the back of my truck. More or less using the tool box as a big aluminum heat sink. My test unit is still able to pump out 1.5 liters a minute through 2 bubblers and 25ft of 1/4" tubing so the distance from the engine isn't an issue. 1 bubbler will be co-located with the chamber in the tool box and the 2nd one will be mounted to the firewall right behind the intake manifold. Gives me 2 flash supressors/filters for the gas which is a good thing.

[Angus]

If this works, and is even workable under the hood of a car, how comes it isn't used as a powerplant?????????
I mean, land based, under completely controllable conditions (compared to tap water and sodium etc)...if it's so simple, why not used??