The artful HO

[BaldEagl]

[sethipus]

Takes 2 to HO.

No it doesn't.  It takes two to merge, and although I usually manage to evade the HO, if the other guy happens to be a good shot he still may well get some hits on ya.

Speaking of which, a guy who I won't name HOed me yesterday on a merge and then denied it to my face on 200, saying that what he'd done didn't constitute a HO.  Let's see, we started 5k out from each other, he was probably 300-500 feet higher alt than me, so I was climbing slightly toward him.  In the last 1000 yards he climbed slightly then went nose down and shot at me as I passed just under him on the merge, from straight out in front of and just above me.  Hit my radiator and got some other pings, but I did manage to turn around and kill him.  Still, it was a blatant HO and he denied it repeatedly.  I thought it was a rather low-class move.

[VonMessa]

 

Time for meds, again?

Please step away from the potato porn.

[VonMessa]

No it doesn't.  It takes two to merge, and although I usually manage to evade the HO, if the other guy happens to be a good shot he still may well get some hits on ya.

Speaking of which, a guy who I won't name HOed me yesterday on a merge and then denied it to my face on 200, saying that what he'd done didn't constitute a HO.  Let's see, we started 5k out from each other, he was probably 300-500 feet higher alt than me, so I was climbing slightly toward him.  In the last 1000 yards he climbed slightly then went nose down and shot at me as I passed just under him on the merge, from straight out in front of and just above me.  Hit my radiator and got some other pings, but I did manage to turn around and kill him.  Still, it was a blatant HO and he denied it repeatedly.  I thought it was a rather low-class move.

Sounds more like he had an angle from that description.  Not Head On, co alt, nose to nose in level flight.  Somewhere in that merge, angles were given up.

[ink]

a Ho is only a Ho when both parties have a gun solution. and only then is a Ho a Ho.

[sethipus]

Do you guys still consider it a HO if one person is deliberately trying to avoid the HO, and the other guy takes the shot?  What if as we approach I drop my nose to get separation and avoid the HO shot and the other guy takes it, is that not a HO in your eyes because at the time of the shot my plane's forward vector was maybe 5 or 10 degrees under his plane?  Gimme a break.

In the case I'm talking about the only angle this other guy had on me was because I deliberately tried to fly under him - I was in only a shallow climb and it would have been trivial to get my nose up and shoot him in the face.  I just hate it when longtime advanced players in a 1 on 1 relatively even scenario (he was in a Spit 9, I was in a Seafire) take the HO shot and then try to dress it up in fancy terms to avoid the stigma.

[AirFlyer]

Not all Zeroes HO either, I go out of my way just not to HO people and only do I happen to a handful of times at best because of weird angles that I didn't think would turn out to be a HO.

[1701E]

Everyone "HO"s so to say.  Unless you BnZ, or you don't have a merge.  HO or Head-on, does not say Head-on Shot, meaning when you say "HO tard" you accuse someone of simply merging.  Now if it was HOS, then yes that is different.

-Technicality man strikes again
Ok i had my fun, keep the conversation going

[CAP1]

I suck at HOing so bad that I lost one vs a zeke in my chog.......

funny you say that. on the occasioons i've tried, i seem to always miss. to me it's like a dead six shot.....it just seems very hard for me to hit them.

 now, give me a snapshot where i don't really have any time to aim, and i seem to hit much much better....

[CAP1]

Doesn't mean they don't try to HO.. when you are low on the deck in turn fights it's almost always the TnB planes doing most of the HOing, simply because they can turn in faster to try and force that kind of merge. Personally I don't care about HOtwits because 9 times out of 10 they are easy kills. The cons that don't HO on merges are the one's I worry about more, because I figure they likely have a clue as to whats going on.

i fly zekes(both versions) if required for furball or quick base defense, hurris for the same reasons, spitfires(5, or 9), and have been moving into the hellkitty.  i don't ho. in the zekes there's no need to, as if you're dumb enough to try to turn with me, i'll have some good shots from your six area very shortly. same with the hurri, and spits.

 the hellcat is a bit of work for me, but i like her, and am flying her mostly to learn it. i still don't ho in it, as then i'd learn nothing.
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[CAP1]

first off any one who HOs in a zero is a idiot, thats the worst plane for HOs.on top of that, there's no need...you'll have their 6 in a few turns

second, i hope you dont think all Hurri drivers HO, cuz this is one Hurri driver that tries very hard not to HO, i have had 5 and more attacking me at once and they are all Hoing, yet i still try to avoid them, i cant say that i never Ho, i will Ho a zero every time. when i'm outnumbered that badly, if i'm still alive, and they're all ho'in me, then i might give it back.

what i think is funny, is when people believe that because you fly a particular plane you are gonna fly a certain way, run in a LA, Ho in a hurri, ect ecti've found that people that thinnk like that...or make such accusations(just like in RL) are usually more guilty of these things than the ones they're complaining about

when are you that think like that, gonna realize every one is different?

just know, that no matter what plane i am flying i will fight, i love the TnB, so i fly those planes that excel at that,  and if i am in a LA 5 or 7, i will not run until i am bingo, for the LA is one of, if not the best TnBer in game.

[CAP1]

No it doesn't.  It takes two to merge, and although I usually manage to evade the HO, if the other guy happens to be a good shot he still may well get some hits on ya.

Speaking of which, a guy who I won't name HOed me yesterday on a merge and then denied it to my face on 200, saying that what he'd done didn't constitute a HO.  Let's see, we started 5k out from each other, he was probably 300-500 feet higher alt than me, so I was climbing slightly toward him.  In the last 1000 yards he climbed slightly then went nose down and shot at me as I passed just under him on the merge, from straight out in front of and just above me.  Hit my radiator and got some other pings, but I did manage to turn around and kill him.  Still, it was a blatant HO and he denied it repeatedly.  I thought it was a rather low-class move.

film?

[Arty]

Not that anyone cares, but my own personal rule, I will not HO on the merge, after that...Whatever gun solution I can get.

Arty

[ezstir]

Personally I llllllooooooovvvvvvvveeeeeeee HO's.  It's all about connection; who has the fastest connection usually wins.  I am a newbie although I have been around fighter sims for quite awhile (War Birds, etc) and have found that those who choose to take a HO and lose have a practiced amount of names to call, but names don't do a thing except make me laugh.  I get killed a lot too, but when I asked my Uncle, who flew P-38's with the 14th Air Force in China, about the maneuver he said "We were taught to take a HO whenever we could.  He only had one kill and it was when a Hamp? HO'd him.  Anyway I really enjoy the game and having all of you to play with.

Be advised though if you give me a chance to HO I will take it.  PS I fly a Corsair, the one with the big mama boom booms.  Cya in the sky.

EZStir

[Zazen13]

Not really.. the biggest HO twits are almost always the tards that fly planes like Zeek's, Niki's & Hurricane 2's. Typically any fight involving those  aircraft ends up with them trying to force HO shots after HO shot on every merge. You can only avoid so many when fighting those kinds of dweeb planes, simply because they can out turn most other planes. The Niki doesn't turn as good as the other two, but it makes up for it with 4 20mms the tards can spray and pray with.

This is so true. The, "Takes two to HO", myth is a complete and utter load of crap. It's one of those things that people think is true simply because it is parrotted so much.

A more maneuverable plane can force a HO upon an unwilling, less maneuverable opponent. This is especially true if the HO'ee is under control compression or is in such a low relative E state he cannot "duck" it as is the case in a lot of low-speed/low-alt furball situations. Niki and Hurricane drivers are the ones I see do this most, they will heave around aggressively to change the aspect of their angle to you so quickly that what was a rear quarter approach a second ago is now an incoming face shot. Other planes do it also, depending on the match-up, but those two are the most prevalent because of their cannons and turnrate. Sometimes they can be avoided, but if low and slow or compressed it usually means the unattractive alternatives of either giving up a juicy high profile shot to the HO'er or compromising your position so much that he can just simply "latch on" to you. This is not meant to be a comment on the validity of HO'ing as a tactic, just to point out the victim of a HO'er is not by any means necessarily complicate in his fate.