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Offline Krusty

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Re: Next FSO: The Dogs of War - Belgorod Kharkov 1943
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2008, 05:03:11 PM »
Ham, your wiki link doesn't go into much detail about dates and models flown. It just says "in 1943" ...

The other link about the A20 also doesn't help too much. Delivered isn't "saw combat"

In the first-hand interview of the Russian before your reply, he's mentioned several times how hundreds of pilots, support personnel, and other people were being moved around, nobody knew what was going on, or when they would get any planes, that some of the planes spent a long time in the forward depots undergoing glass nose conversions for navigation, that after a long delay only one plane showed up for them to train on (they had not flown or worked on these planes before, had no supplies for them yet, had no combat practice, it was totally new) and even later after getting a small number of them it doesn't seem his squadron saw much action until late in 1944.

They had received brand-new planes, and were learning how to fly, fight, repair, maintian, house, and "function" with said new planes. Look how long it took the F4u to see much combat! Same deal: There's a difference between delivered and "used in action"


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Re: Next FSO: The Dogs of War - Belgorod Kharkov 1943
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2008, 06:35:07 PM »
I should have clarified somewhat. I am aware the A-20G was used by the Soviet VVS in WW2, and I have seen some in service dates with the USAAF (late 43) and the VVS (in 1944/45). Its a question of having them in a 1943 setup, on the Eastern Front. I will endevour to get better info next time around. Suffice to say, its a safe assumption that many, most? would have been the A-20A/B varients in 1943. Certainly the A-20A/B (Boston III) belongs there, so its a "safe choice".

PS: Took one final stab at it, and found decal sheets for 4 A-20Gs, all Russian. All of them were summer 1944 to 1945.

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Re: Next FSO: The Dogs of War - Belgorod Kharkov 1943
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2008, 07:32:06 PM »
Ham, your wiki link doesn't go into much detail about dates and models flown. It just says "in 1943" ...

The other link about the A20 also doesn't help too much. Delivered isn't "saw combat"

In the first-hand interview of the Russian before your reply, he's mentioned several times how hundreds of pilots, support personnel, and other people were being moved around, nobody knew what was going on, or when they would get any planes, that some of the planes spent a long time in the forward depots undergoing glass nose conversions for navigation, that after a long delay only one plane showed up for them to train on (they had not flown or worked on these planes before, had no supplies for them yet, had no combat practice, it was totally new) and even later after getting a small number of them it doesn't seem his squadron saw much action until late in 1944.

They had received brand-new planes, and were learning how to fly, fight, repair, maintian, house, and "function" with said new planes. Look how long it took the F4u to see much combat! Same deal: There's a difference between delivered and "used in action"


It just made sense that they received their new rides during the training.  All other times mentioned in 43 they were flying combat.  When planes were delivered they were done by the boatload literally.  Most if not all new models were put to use very shortly after delivery.  They didn't have the same mindset then since a war was going on. Either way I don't think it would make much difference in game.