Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?

[Donzo]

My brother sent it and it goes directly to Times Online .co.uk article on Palin with an interesting photo. I just checked it and went right to article. It is a U.K. site

Here's the link I think you were trying to post:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece


I like this one, too:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/08/sarah-palin-in.html

On capital punishment: "If the (Alaskan state) legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it. We have a right to know that someone who rapes and murders a child or kills an innocent person in a drive by shooting will never be able to do that again."

Talk doesn't get any straighter than that!

[lasersailor184]

Understand the context of the quote before you jackboot your response
... And on that note - you think the Bay of Pigs was a good idea?

The greatest thing that ever happened for JFK's career was when he got shot.

The bay of pigs WAS a good idea.  But JFK specifically gave the order that doomed it to failure.  Besides the renigging of US air support at the last moment, he cut the size of the Cuban Invasion Force by 50% a couple of weeks out.  He pretty much told half of the cubans training to attack cuba, that they would not be outfitted with weapons, gear and vehicles.  Those two things, doomed the attack to failure.  Even though many American war planes upped with paint over the american flag to help those on the beach, which did include many CIA advisers, just left out to flap in the wind.

Then you take a look at the Cuban Missile Crisis.  Our great savior JFK was literally minutes away from preemptively nuking Russia.

[DREDIOCK]

Tell me lazs, did you even read the entirety of my post, or did you stop at the first thing you disagreed with to rail about me promoting extreme-left socialist big-government nannying?

Ahhh, You noticed that too eh? LOL
 

[FrodeMk3]

Pretty much.

*sigh*

It's exceedingly apparent the choices we're actually allowed to make are on the lines of 'giant sweetheart or crap sandwich'.

Unless of course, you haul yer bellybutton up to Laz's valley and declare open season on sweetheart bags and turd hero's.

One problem, and I believe the worst one, Hangtime-Is that we, as a people, will not, cannot, won't...agree on who or whom the "sweetheartbag's" or "turd heroes" are. As a people, we are so divided along all kinds of lines. Economically, religously, culturally...And those that have large amounts of money or influence simply have to take advantage of that to stay in power. There are people, even on this very board, that idolize such those that have been successful in business and industry, no matter how or whom they took advantage of to get to where they are. Politicians...Nobody can agree on what actually makes this country great. Is it our willingness to go forth and attack terrorists' in their nations of origin? Or are we instead subjagating and killing people that happened to be citizens of a nation that had a terrorist cell working within it?

This, I'm afraid, is the case we find in the world today...The era where up is down, left is right, black is white, and wrong is right.

[Hangtime]

This, I'm afraid, is the case we find in the world today...The era where up is down, left is right, black is white, and wrong is right.

,, and we've lost track of any kind of commonality... we can't even find 'core issues' we can agree upon as a nation. We've effectively 'balkainized' (sp) ourselves.

'divide & conquer'.. the corporations and their political smoke screens have been very effective. We've lost our identity as a nation, a 'people'.. we can't even agree on whats for dinner, let alone who's coming to it.

[FrodeMk3]

,, and we've lost track of any kind of commonality... we can't even find 'core issues' we can agree upon as a nation. We've effectively 'balkainized' (sp) ourselves.

'divide & conquer'.. the corporations and their political smoke screens have been very effective. We've lost our identity as a nation, a 'people'.. we can't even agree on whats for dinner, let alone who's coming to it.

It makes me wonder if we are headed to that kind of world that was portrayed in the movie "Rollerball"-the original one, with James Caan.

[Hangtime]

LOL.. gawd, I hope not.

Best we can hope for now is a republican in the WH to blunt the effect of having a democratic house and senate. Can't believe the best we can hope for is the turd hero. Hobson's Choice... damned if we do, damned sooner if we don't.

[john9001]

the american planes with painted over markings were ordered not to shoot, only to do flybys to scare away the cuban AF, it did not work. Also american ships off shore were ordered to stay over the horizon.

i have no proof, but i would guess McNamara and his wiz kids had a hand in that based on what he did later in Nam.

[john9001]

Or are we instead subjagating and killing people that happened to be citizens of a nation that had a terrorist cell working within it?

what nation is the US subjugating?

[FrodeMk3]

what nation is the US subjugating?

This was put in the context of Point of View; One's man's actions' of rightousness can be another man's empirical aspirations.

[Hap]

lazs,

The simple truth is you can't have total equality and total liberty at the same time. It doesn't work.

Defending individual rights mean squat if I use my individual rights trample on yours. The government must take responsibility to ensure that everyone has the opportunity equal to EXERCISE their individual rights. Pure individualism DOES NOT ALLOW this because of simple human nature. Human beings NATURALLY are going to look out for one person or group: Themselves and their own families and to hell with anyone else's rights. We're a greedy and selfish species and you see this happening the world over from the beginning of recorded history right down to today. To use your own example of the West, that's EXACTLY what was happening out there. Miners, the railroads, free range ranchers, cattle barons, sheep herders, and small and large farmers were all at war with each other because each wanted the land for THEIR purpose and dammed if they were going to share it with anyone else.

It IS the protection of general welfare and the common good to ensure that ALL citizens are allowed the equal opportunity to exercise those rights. That's where socialism comes in, because left to itself society would naturally degenerate into the chaos of "survival of the fittest" and you'll see men like JP Morgan and the Rockefellers again who have a stranglehold on the national economy.

The problem is when the protection of the general welfare and common good goes TOO far and the need for the rights or contributions of the individual are ignored.

Sax, I agree.  Our natures bar us from being good citizens.  Unless citizen be defined away to where it becomes meaningless.

About the "exercise" of rights, I'm not sure because I don't know how you mean it.  Some folks are quite tied into "mine" when it comes to rights.  Others look at rights as from the angle of what we owe rather than what we get.

We've got the "me, mine" down pat.  The biggest wins: liar, voice, charisma, violence.  That is without some bar to curb those things.

[Jackal1]

My kind of woman.

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Absolutely. She is definitely a breath of fresh air in regards to women in politics.
An NRA member, hunter, fisherman or fisherwoman as the case may be , does not go for corrupt politicians , a fur wearer and not a friggin sobbing in your Cheerios tree hugger.

[Toad]

Of course Robert STRANGE McNamara had a hand in the goat-rope that became the Bay of Pigs.

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/mcnamara.htm

The disastrous failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, carried through by the Kennedy administration based on planning begun under Eisenhower, proved a great embarrassment. When McNamara left office in 1968, he told reporters that his principal regret was his recommendation to Kennedy to proceed with the Bay of Pigs operation, something that "could have been recognized as an error at the time."

Bobbie Strange is probably the moron that cut the air support.

[DREDIOCK]

No, he means diehard republicans, not conservatives.  We don't have very many conservatives on these boards, at least not very many vocal ones.

Fuedalism can be viewed as the ultimate form of 'haves vs have-nots' government.  The US has been growing steadily more unequal since the 70s (in the socioeconomic sense, the PC crap is just there to distract the lower class from that).  What is the solution to this problem?  IS it a problem? 

It can easily become one

Eventually the have nots revolt.
Often with ugly consequences

Just ask Marie Antoinette LOL

[john9001]

i believe in sharing, i think John Edwards should give me one million of the $60 million dollars he got from suing insurance companies, it's only fair.