Palins say teen daughter is pregnant

[Hangtime]

Perhaps the goverment should someway prohibit children from having kids in the first place, somehow medically remove the ability to have children untill you are at the age of 18.

I favor keeping them either caged or on a leash. Strays should be shot.

[Elfie]

And now you fall into the trap..

Obama was basiclly saying he wanted them to learn about it before hand, so they didn't have to get stuck learning the "hard way". That is exactlly what a good parent should do for their kids in a situation as imporant as a baby or a STD.

I think Donzo answered this quite well.

You also have to actually set a trap for someone to fall into it.

[Elfie]

I favor keeping them either caged or on a leash. Strays should be shot.

Closets work well too.....not that I would know of course.....

[iWalrus]

So my parents were failures for having 2 out of 8 kids act like social rejects? 2 out of 8 refused to be taught, refused to listen, went their own way instead of what they were being taught be people who loved them...and that means my parents screwed up in a big way?

I think just the opposite, they succeeded with 6 that listened to them (for the most part). They were not failures, the failures were my 2 brothers.

At some point, I would hazard a guess, your 2 brothers were faced with choices that led them to the paths of (as you call it) failure. Your parents, still guessing here as I know very little of this situation, failed to prepare them for those choices.

Perhaps the influence for your brothers' decision making processes came from a source other than your parents. So, if that were the case, they would not be directly responsible. Perhaps, though, they could have kept your brothers from being influenced by this hypothetical outside person or source, making them indirectly responsible. Maybe with so many siblings, they were the ones that got the least of your parents attention. Who knows? I guess it doesn't matter as they are not attempting to be at the top of the Executive branch of the government.

I hope I'm not offending you by throwing all of that conjecture out there regarding your family. You did bring it up, though, and asked me what I thought.

Let me ask you this: Do you think all of the laws that hold parents financially responsible for their (juvenile) children's criminal activities should be thrown out? For instance - in my area, they are considering a law that would hold parents accountable for their kids that spray paint or otherwise vandalize. There are many laws like this all over the country. That just goes to show that many Americans do think that parents are responsible for their kids - whether they know what those kids are doing or not.

[Elfie]

At some point, I would hazard a guess, your 2 brothers were faced with choices that led them to the paths of (as you call it) failure. Your parents, still guessing here as I know very little of this situation, failed to prepare them for those choices

They prepared us all the same. You can only teach so much, at some point it is upon the student to be willing to listen and learn. Both of my brothers chose to follow the bad influences of friends at school instead of what they had been taught.

My parents even sought outside help for those two, it made no difference, Rex and Dave went there own way, chose the *dark side* if you will.

[SkyRock]

Obama's statement said nothing of "learning the hard way".  

He spcifically said "punished for a mistake".  

There is a difference.

what is the difference?  btw I dont like Obama, but I dont like hypocrits either.

[crockett]

This women keeps getting better and better. Now it's being reported she tried to ban books in the public library when she first became mayor. This also involves yet another firing because she fired the liberian who refused to censor the books. Palin later had to ease away from the subject and back off because it became a big up roar in the town.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/03/republican-vp-choice-sarah-palin-tried-ban-books

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html


There is no way McCain vetted this women properly and the reports are likely true that his team didn't even start checking her out until the day before he asked her to be VP. No possible way any politician in their right mind would select someone with this much crap in their background. Either way it shows McCain's total lack of good judgment.

[Donzo]

what is the difference?  btw I dont like Obama, but I dont like hypocrits either.

Here, I'll give your typical response:

 


But since you apparently do not know the difference here goes:
 "Learning the hard way" implies that you do not know right from wrong.
“Punished for a mistake” implies that you in fact knew right from wrong and made a bad decision….you made a mistake in judgement.

[lazs2]

I think most are missing the huge thing here....

The fact is that no matter what our upbringing...  and especially in a family of 5 kids...  one or more of us is gonna make a mistake that may or may not affect our whole lives for a moments mistake.

How we deal with that shows our character and the character of the folks who raised us.

She is taking responsibility for her act and so is her future husband..   A happy, healthy human will come into the world who.. hopefully will get the same individualist values and sense of responsibility.

One child like this is worth ten of osamabamas childrens aborted ones.

We need more people like those in the Palin family.

lazs

[SlapShot]

I have 7 siblings. 6 of them still survive. We were all raised the same way by our parents. We were taught that drug abuse was bad, that stealing was wrong. We were taught basic Christian morals and values. Two of my brothers were involved in dealing drugs and burglaries for a couple of years until one of them got caught and spent some time in jail. How does it reflect poorly on my parents when 2 of my siblings acted like social rejects and the other 6 of us didn't?

It obviously wasn't bad parenting because 6 of us did things right. (more or less) It was my brothers choices that reflected badly on my brothers.

*edit* Actually, the dealing drugs part started for both of them in high school as an easy way to make more money than they could at the part time jobs they had. Their drug dealing went on for quite a few years.

OMG Elfie !!!

Your parents are pox upon society ... you should disown them, and if you and the rest of you siblings have children ... DO NOT LET THEM NEAR THEIR GRANDPARENTS ... for fear that they will become drug dealers and thiefs.

 

It is quite obvious that some of these posters do not have children or don't have teenage children.

[Hangtime]

It is quite obvious that some of these posters do not have children or don't have teenage children.

Yah think?

[SlapShot]

After all, shouldn't our highest elected officials be embodiments of the very best our nation can be?

Exactly ... that's why I think that a self-proclaimed drug user and abuser should never be allowed to become the President.

That trait is nothing but a sign of weakness which may manifest itself while in office, and it's also obvious that his mother must share in the blame ... what other shady "values" did she instill into her child which may surface while serving as the President ?

[Hangtime]

Exactly ... that's why I think that a self-proclaimed drug user and abuser should never be allowed to become the President.

That trait is nothing but a sign of weakness which may manifest itself while in office, and it's also obvious that his mother must share in the blame ... what other shady "values" did she instill into her child which may surface while serving as the President ?

You ever have a beer? cocktail? Glas of wine? Substance abuser. How about an inhaler? insulin? Drug addict.

Get real. 'Sign of weakness'; my ass.

[AKIron]

It is off the wall to think that a parent is not the most influential factor in molding a child into the person they become.

A parent can't keep a round-the-clock watch over their child. That is why a parent teaches their child to be responsible. While it is impossible to raise a perfect person, when your kid makes a huge error (like getting pregnant at 15) you screwed up in a big way. That doesn't make you a bad person at all, but it might mean that you aren't an outstanding enough person to be Vice President. After all, shouldn't our highest elected officials be embodiments of the very best our nation can be?

Horsepucky. I raised 2 boys and 2 girls. None of them brought any kids into this world out of wedlock but if you think that I and every other parent of a teenager doesn't sweat that you are sorely mistaken. For many it is just plain luck they aren't in the same boat as Palin.

[SlapShot]

You ever have a beer? cocktail? Glas of wine? Substance abuser. How about an inhaler? insulin? Drug addict.

Get real. 'Sign of weakness'; my ass.

Take it easy Hang ... it was a facetious post ... to show the lunacy in which other choose to post.

Making statements such as ... parents are failures because their teenage kids did this or that ... or that one has a flawed character, which should preclude them from serving in government positions, because of their past choices ... is plain ridiculous.

If Palin is going to be judged with that type of scrutiny ... then so should the opposition.