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Offline Die Hard

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #195 on: October 02, 2008, 03:32:53 PM »
Ya but if you turn 1 way it has a good chance of rolling over while your trying 2 land.

What do you mean "turn 1 way"? You're not supposed to turn on landing, that's why runways are straight.
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« Reply #196 on: October 02, 2008, 03:34:05 PM »
What do you mean "turn 1 way"? You're not supposed to turn on landing, that's why runways are straight.
I mean when your lining it up 2 go in straight.
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« Reply #197 on: October 02, 2008, 03:34:13 PM »
IMHO they didn't have so much between them (Spits...109's etc)
109 made some reputation about ground loops and nose-overs. (Somewhere I have one fine picture of one...on a fine runway). Gunther Rall quoted on the slats as necessary, for without them the aircraft would have been too difficult to land.
What I know of the nose-over is that it would normally kill the pilot. The Pilot of Black 6 did get stuck in the cockpit untill the aircraft was lifted off him. Must have been a nice though having all the petrol around and not being able to get out. Some balls that those double-O agents have  :t
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #198 on: October 02, 2008, 03:34:47 PM »
IMHO they didn't have so much between them (Spits...109's etc)
109 made some reputation about ground loops and nose-overs. (Somewhere I have one fine picture of one...on a fine runway). Gunther Rall quoted on the slats as necessary, for without them the aircraft would have been too difficult to land.
What I know of the nose-over is that it would normally kill the pilot. The Pilot of Black 6 did get stuck in the cockpit untill the aircraft was lifted off him. Must have been a nice though having all the petrol around and not being able to get out. Some balls that those double-O agents have  :t
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #199 on: October 02, 2008, 03:37:52 PM »
I mean when your lining it up 2 go in straight.

The tail wheel was lockable which is why it was important to 3-point it. If you 3-point it the 109 will go straight with no more rudder corrections needed than any other tail-dragger.



@Angus: :rofl
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #200 on: October 02, 2008, 03:42:16 PM »
The tail wheel was lockable which is why it was important to 3-point it. If you 3-point it the 109 will go straight with no more rudder corrections needed than any other tail-dragger.



@Angus: :rofl
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« Reply #201 on: October 02, 2008, 03:46:31 PM »
This is how you should land a 109 (same pilot as in the Berlin accident btw): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO9mEv5Ve54

Pay close attention to the rudder corrections.



Here's a perfect Spitfire landing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3YuwerLCQ

Again look at the rudder corrections.


They are very similar despite the 109 having considerable crosswind and landing on rolling terrain.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #202 on: October 02, 2008, 03:47:22 PM »
This is how you should land a 109 (same pilot as in the Berlin accident btw): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO9mEv5Ve54

Pay close attention to the rudder corrections.



Here's a perfect Spitfire landing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3YuwerLCQ

Again look at the rudder corrections.


They are very similar despite the 109 having considerable crosswind and landing on rolling terrain.
Well you made your point and you made me cry are you happy? :cry :cry :cry :cry :lol
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« Reply #203 on: October 02, 2008, 03:50:42 PM »
Yes I am happy, but not because I made you cry. Why are you crying? :huh
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« Reply #204 on: October 02, 2008, 03:52:52 PM »
Yes I am happy, but not because I made you cry. Why are you crying? :huh
Hahah you fell for it. :P :P :P
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« Reply #205 on: October 02, 2008, 03:54:51 PM »
Are you by any chance diagnosed with bipolar disorder? ;)
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« Reply #206 on: October 02, 2008, 03:58:42 PM »
Are you by any chance diagnosed with bipolar disorder? ;)
Nope. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :furious
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« Reply #207 on: October 02, 2008, 03:59:53 PM »
lol :lol
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« Reply #208 on: October 02, 2008, 04:03:46 PM »
lol :lol
K so did we solve the 109 problems? :noid
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #209 on: October 03, 2008, 12:17:41 AM »
Theres a thing called a crosswind?
Was the wind coming from the left or the right side of the 109?

Hence, fo.

And btw, we been thru this, stronger engines on lighter planes tend to cause more need of rudder.
We have more rudder without more engine! Lufts knew not to jam the thottle back and forth.

Hence, fo anyways.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2008, 01:12:21 AM by Schlowy »
if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
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