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Offline glock89

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2008, 02:25:34 PM »
What is with you and your Eric Brown vendetta?
He the guy who rape him while he was a little kid. :lol
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2008, 05:59:29 PM »
Did you read the accident report? It is concluded with pretty high certainty that the pilot himself caused the situation which was the reason why he thought the engine was going to seize/catch fire.


I have read the accident report.  Did you read my post?
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2008, 06:56:50 PM »
Did you read my post?

Yes, I'll repeat myself...

It is concluded with pretty high certainty that the pilot himself caused the situation which was the reason why he thought the engine was going to seize/catch fire.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2008, 10:19:31 AM »
I'll repeat myself when I say that every one in 20 109's definately fell in landing accidents...
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2008, 12:03:46 PM »
Yes, I'll repeat myself...

It is concluded with pretty high certainty that the pilot himself caused the situation which was the reason why he thought the engine was going to seize/catch fire.

Again, go back and read my post.  It is not right to crucify this guy over this, he was PIC, made the decision to put her down immediately where as another might well have just jumped.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2008, 01:44:48 PM »
Its soooo simple:
High powered 109s, don't put full throttle from idle and ya wont flip the plane. Same probly goes for don't drop throttle from full to idle either to fast either, might flip it. Now lets see facts in a positive light - high power with low weight usually equals speed. As for the gear mechanisms being closer to center axis, this meant better roll rates, but also is negatively interpreted as 'dangerous landing' only.

Haters of the 109s run their mouths a bout 'landing probs,' but they don't dare mention the positive that this meant higher speed and faster roll rates.
And the plane was crashed for that reason - to hide the positive part, so that it can't be proven.

National Pride translated into National Reputation and Security.
Its like the olympics, the planes were the best the countries could come up with, representative of the countries as a whole. Probs magnify because saying the spit is better or not, doesn't mean USA didn't save thier butts. England's secret service saw that tiny lil 60year ole plane as a threat to its dignity, history, reputation, and security. Proving Eric Brown a liar is proving England a liar for supporting and allowing him to record his trash. No nation wants to be known for twisting facts. And ofcourse England being able to 'hold its own' in reputation and military power has to do with its security now... Imagine the arabs saying 'Well, England said blah blah, but you know how those English lie..."

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2008, 02:03:01 PM »
Son... are you retarded?
I think he is.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2008, 07:02:20 PM »
No, i'm brilliaint (spelling?)  :rofl
if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2008, 07:12:45 PM »
No, i'm brilliaint (spelling?)  :rofl
No your dumb. :lol
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2008, 07:19:48 PM »
See, Saurdaukar only asked...

No your dumb. :lol

But you, Glock89, you did a personal attack! Pulls the personal attack alarm, sirens turn on!  :O
Now i'll just ask a question, whom is dumb now?  :rofl

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if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2008, 07:33:57 PM »
See, Saurdaukar only asked...

But you, Glock89, you did a personal attack! Pulls the personal attack alarm, sirens turn on!  :O
Now i'll just ask a question, whom is dumb now?  :rofl

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Son... are you retarded?
[/quote]Do you even read what you say? National Pride translated into National Reputation and Security.
Its like the olympics, the planes were the best the countries could come up with, representative of the countries as a whole. Probs magnify because saying the spit is better or not, doesn't mean USA didn't save thier butts. England's secret service saw that tiny lil 60year ole plane as a threat to its dignity, history, reputation, and security. Proving Eric Brown a liar is proving England a liar for supporting and allowing him to record his trash. No nation wants to be known for twisting facts. And ofcourse England being able to 'hold its own' in reputation and military power has to do with its security now... Imagine the arabs saying 'Well, England said blah blah, but you know how those English lie..."
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2008, 05:27:07 AM »
Hehe, sclowy,you're one troller. I think you have the 109 variant of the Luftwobble disease, and it's only cured with lots of reading, that is if you can understand what you read :D
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2008, 07:04:50 AM »
Save a few posts that can't really be taken seriously anyway, has anyone here really "crusified" him?

The reason why I asked if you had read the accident report or not was this bit:

It looks to me that the pilot chose option B believing a fire to be imminent.  In that case, we did the world a favor by getting her on the ground and in relatively one piece.  He should be commended for that.  Lesser people would have pointed it away from the crowd and jumped.


I'll say it again, most likely he was himself reponsible for letting the emergency situation to develop in the first place by mismanaging the plane. Had he had the switch which operates the cooling gills in the correct position no emergency situation would have developed in the first place and he would have most likely flown a rutine display.

From this quote from you it is very easy to think that the plane was suffering from a technical failure that had nothing to with how the pilot flew the plane. He would not have had to do "this world a favor" if he had managed the plane correctly. In this light I find you comment: "He should be commended for that." odd to say the least.

That said,

Someone has said (might be from the bible) "To err is human, to forgive is divine." The pilot was a normal human being just like any of us and human's tend to make mistakes, that's humane. I'm sure he felt bad enough about it afterwards whether he thought it was his fault or not.
If you never do anything or never step out the door nothing bad will probably happen...at least not outside. :) But that isn't really a way to live you life. So if this guy got to a point of flying a rare aircraft like the Black 6 he was definately one of those guys that actually did something with their lives. Accidents and sh*t happen, that is life. But again, saying that I don't agree at all with the talks that "he should be commented for it" if his actions caused the whole situation in the first place.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2008, 08:53:03 AM »
I'll repeat myself when I say that every one in 20 109's definately fell in landing accidents...

Why do you insist on posting these useless one liners that have nothing what so ever to do with the topic at hand?

Are you trying your best to hijack this thread?

5% of the 109's were damaged/written off in landing and take-off accidents. And I'm willing to bet that the percent of the take-off accidents in that figure is well over 50. And again, none of this has anything to do with the subject of this thread. You almost managed to parrot what other people were posting but then your reading comprehension (or the lack of) got the better of you.
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