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Offline Yeager

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Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« on: September 16, 2008, 09:33:34 PM »
Apparently there was a US special forces operation in the tribal lands of Pakistan recently and the Pakistanis are understandably upset.  I guess their military has ordered their troops to fire on any US forces operating within Pakistan territory.

That would be a hell of a thing  :O

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As far as Im concerned the Pakis are harboring terrorists, but what do I know......
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 09:40:44 PM »
I look at it as Pakistan not doing the job they agreeded to do while taking or money for military aid. If they aren't going to do it, then we have too. With that said it's just another example of how Bush & co has mis-managed both of these wars. Had Bush not pulled the troops out of Afghanistan before the job was done, to go play nation building in Iraq, we likely wouldn't be having these problems on both fronts.
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 09:40:50 PM »
As far as Im concerned the Pakis are harboring terrorists, but what do I know......

I can understand the Pakis not being happy about foreign (USA) troops possibly operating on their land, but until they stand up and eliminate terrorists living and operating in Pakistan, they have no rights in my mind to oppose anyone else from hunting and eliminating the terrorists in Pakistan.  It's one of those "if you don't do that job yourself, someone else will and you won't like how it happens".

If they won't step up, we will have to.
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 09:42:42 PM »
I look at it as Pakistan not doing the job they agreeded to do while taking or money for military aid. If they aren't going to do it, then we have too. With that said it's just another example of how Bush & co has mis-managed both of these wars. Had Bush not pulled the troops out of Afghanistan before the job was done, to go play nation building in Iraq, we likely wouldn't be having these problems on both fronts.


Now you are just acting like an uninformed moron.  Bush didn't pull any troops out of Afghanistan, the numbers didn't drop. 

Come on, you are really Rosie O'Donnell, aren't you?  She says really stupid watermelon too.
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 09:56:54 PM »
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Come on, you are really Rosie O'Donnell, aren't you?

That was cold, stone cold! Nevertheless, it was still funny!  :rofl  :rock
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 10:14:13 PM »
What's the problem? The Obamessiah will take the war into Pakistan. He said so. He'll kick the turban right off those lil' Pakis.

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Obama: If We Have Actionable Intelligence Against Bin Laden Or Other Key Al Qaeda Officials And Pakistan Won’t Strike Them, We Should. Obama said, “With respect to Pakistan, I never said I would bomb Pakistan. What I said was that if we have actionable intelligence against bin Laden or other key al Qaeda officials, and we -- and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to strike against them, we should. And just several days ago, in fact, this administration did exactly that and took out the third-ranking al Qaeda official.” [Cleveland Presidential Debate, 2/26/08]


So, cross border operations into Pakistan have the blessing of The Obamessiah. Relax; he's ready to lead. In fact, he's ready to lead us into an invasion of the sovereign of Pakistan. Guess we know what The Obamessiah's understanding of Charlie Gibson's understanding of version #3 of the Bush doctrine is.  :rofl
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 10:28:41 PM »
I think one of our biggest mistakes in Vietnam was allowing the Viet Cong and NVA regulars sanctuary in Cambodia and Laos, we should have followed them across the border and kicked the crap out of them in their bases.

I believe we should do the same thing in Pakistan, allowing Al-Qaeada to regroup, rest etc in Pakistan is pretty foolish.
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2008, 10:39:01 PM »
Didn't all of you condem Russia going into Georgia?????????? :O

How can crossing another contries borders be OK????????

Remember that Pakistan is a nuclear county :t


There is no other treaty like we have in North America that allows soldiers to cross borders in case of national security.
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2008, 10:42:01 PM »
Now you are just acting like an uninformed moron.  Bush didn't pull any troops out of Afghanistan, the numbers didn't drop. 

Come on, you are really Rosie O'Donnell, aren't you?  She says really stupid watermelon too.

We damn sure did when we went to war in Iraq.

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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 10:44:30 PM »
Didn't all of you condem Russia going into Georgia?????????? :O

How can crossing another contries borders be OK????????

Remember that Pakistan is a nuclear county :t


There is no other treaty like we have in North America that allows soldiers to cross borders in case of national security.

There is a difference there.. Russia was acting in the same manor as the Taliban. Georgia wasn't sending troops or supporting a insurgency inside Russia. Russia on the other hand was doing that to Georgia by supporting and inciting the break away regions. Then invading when Georgia tried to regain control of their own country.
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 10:45:43 PM »
lol imagine if US decides to go in Pakistan.... get ready for comparisons like the Russian sideshow last month.


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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 10:48:37 PM »
lol imagine if US decides to go in Pakistan.... get ready for comparisons like the Russian sideshow last month.



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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 11:03:19 PM »
Funny, the people that cry with outrage when Mexican Police cross the border by mistake think that it is OK to send search and destroy teams into a sovereign country.

Bet your hat has two peaks also. :rofl
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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 11:15:35 PM »
Sorry buddy.

We must, as Americans in our official capacity as Planetary Oppressors; at times, usurp indigenous authority to conduct vermin control that we, as private citizens; regret in a distant, fleeting abstract sort of way.

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Re: Pakistan to fire on any US forces
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 11:55:33 PM »
Funny, the people that cry with outrage when Mexican Police cross the border by mistake think that it is OK to send search and destroy teams into a sovereign country.


Right, because the Mexican Police must pursue those dangerous terrorists who are plotting to blow up every donkey show between TJ and Rosario...   :huh

As for Pakistan, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.  The govt agrees with our position and wants to help, but a significant portion of the population is fully willing to rise to armed revolt at the drop of a hat if they think the govt is disrespecting Islam by cooperating with the U.S.  Turkey has the same problem, except in Turkey the military has been the secular stabilizing force that steps in and smooths things out when radical religious groups get too powerful in the government.  The Pakistani military is probably quite willing to step in and quell internal problems either in the populace or in the govt, but they are probably not willing to be a causal factor in any new internal fighting by cooperating with US attacks on Pakistani soil against either Pakistanis, or people who have been given safe harbor by Pakistanis.  The Army can intervene during internal People vs. Govt. problems, but they sure as heck don't want to be forced to kill Pakistanis in order to save or foster cooperation with the US.

They have a tough problem, and if we push too hard we could potentially cause their govt to fall and be replaced by a radical islamist regime.  That would undermine everything we've done in the region.

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