Dos Equis, You need to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to the conservatives in here- Charon, Hangtime, Toad, Lazs, Bodhi and alot of others are respectable, articulate and bright guys that are enjoyable reads who make great conservative points- then you have the pseudo wanna be conservatives whose typical response in a thread is "Your panties are in a bunch" (like two responses in this thread) or otherwise throw out an insult because that's all they have. Forgive them- indeed, pity them- but most of all ignore them, and read the guys who, although they disagree with you, can at least put two thoughts together without the typical Pavlov's Dog response so prevalent among the self proclaimed conservatives here. Some of them are lonely little men who desperately want to belong to a group, so they look for acceptance here by parroting what they think others want to hear. Ignore them, they're nobody you'd even talk to if you met them on the street.