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Offline mensa180

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2008, 07:11:03 PM »
funny, i've been HO'd by all three sides in the same situation. happens much more when i fly against nits.

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2008, 07:54:33 PM »
Try and look at it like this fugitive..

 When going into a base,when cons start upping,they are not looking for the "FIGHT",they have  only ONE objective,"FIND THE GOON"..This is their primary goal.This means they are streaming past as many as possible to get to where they think it may be..hence as many as possible will try and get him,as someone may have enough E to get on him and kill him,if  he does not get HO'ed first...

I would like to think that many times,if someone hollers on vox CON LOW INTO TOWN,that many who are not close will turn and work on that con and break off from another in which 4-6 may already be chasing...

                                                                                   Falcon23 :salute

Speak for yourself bud.
 
I want up to fight.   Biggest red dar bar means more to shoot at or shoot at me.  If taking the base is all you are after so be it, but don't justify the HO'ing and the horde by blaming the poor 38G driver who went up to fight :)

I posted the screenshot because I told Falconwing at the time it would make a good one, and I'd guessed it was 15 110s.  Turns out I guessed right.  He'd tell you I went up to fight too.

Frankly it just wasn't that big a deal other then it made me laugh at the time :)

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2008, 09:20:23 PM »
The overall reality is pretty simple, within the broader game is a large variety of subsets. Each side has a subset that focuses on a maximum numbers/digital dirt aspect of game play. While invariably a few players with skill are mingled in the vast majority are severely ACM challenged. I once ran into a 9 or 10 member BOP sweep in an A-20 and waxed em all. Does that mean that every BOP is clueless? Possible but I doubt it...but it leads to the reality that by and large pigeons are prey....not predators.

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2008, 09:31:56 PM »
The overall reality is pretty simple, within the broader game is a large variety of subsets. Each side has a subset that focuses on a maximum numbers/digital dirt aspect of game play. While invariably a few players with skill are mingled in the vast majority are severely ACM challenged. I once ran into a 9 or 10 member BOP sweep in an A-20 and waxed em all. Does that mean that every BOP is clueless? Possible but I doubt it...but it leads to the reality that by and large pigeons are prey....not predators.


Theres that word "skill" again. Lmfao!

Some of you guys really do take yourselves a little to serious.

Its a video game.

Skills, now thats really really funny.

Ooooooo nooooooo , I,m prey in a video game :rofl

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2008, 09:36:35 PM »
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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2008, 09:57:57 PM »
I'd criticize a guy in a 110G for HO'ing if it weren't for the nagging little fact that the 110G is one bird that has a great chance of outright winning in that sort of action.

Actually, I don't understand either the fascination of using Lemming Kung-Fu to take a base OR the fascination of upping into 15-1 odds to become horde food. Cork, if you're going to be lone wolf, you don't run right into the middle of the buffalo herd, ya got  to hunt the stragglers man, seriously. Preferably that yearling that got kicked in the head as a calf and now his eyes don't ever exactly focus on the same point...

Whoa, I just realized I was dangerously close to having a metaphor get away from me and careen up into the bleachers. Hope no bystanders got hurt.


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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2008, 10:11:35 PM »
i will add my worthless two cents in

the BOPs are a very good squad that works together, i know i was a Bop, they don't screw around when it comes to taking bases, i remember one time we took a base in less then two min. from start of attack.
 for those of you who think they fly together because they are afraid or don't have ACM, that's just plain wrong!
they fly like that because they are friends, and brothers in the virtual air.
 
 I don't fly with them any longer because i like to fly against the Horde, and i say that with no disrespect, but i never cared about taking bases and such like that, or staying loyal to 1 chess piece,

you very rarely read on 200 any Bops harassing other players, or whining, about what other players are flying, or how they are flying for that matter.
to me that shows class.
   ya they, horde,  but heck all sides do, many times i will fly away from my base to attack at an unfriendly base and there are 10 to 15 friendlies all hovering around our base waiting for 1 or 2 cons to come in then they all jump on him.
so i would say that hourding is by far, a commen occurrence on all sides not exclusive to Bops.


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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2008, 10:36:38 PM »
LOL.  OK before this becomes an indictment of the BoPs, or base taking and folks feel a need to defend themselves.

At the time, I said on 200 to Falc, that I thought it would make a good screenshot.  It did.  He laughed, I laughed, the world turned and no one really died.

LOL relax, I was having fun.  They gave me a new plane.
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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2008, 11:17:01 PM »
He had to HO to make sure none of the other 14 guys got the kill.


Well i come to this discussion as having formally been a B.O.P. and having flown missions with and against them since.

when you invade a base with 110's the point is to avoid the furball. most planes can easily out speed out climb and out turn the lumbering 110 without much issue. to allow your opponent to pass you on the merge is to lead to an almost certain death for the 110 pilot. his guns have great range and good alignment so the advantage in the 110 is the HO. is this not what would be considered good acm for a 110 pilot? to attack at your advantage with the longer reach and better targeting of the 110, before your opponent rolls in behind you for the easy kill?

keep in mind these missions are NOE, giving the 110's nowhere to go if he missed his shot. no way to gather more speed or to maneuver in an effective manner.

i upped at a base as the B.O.P's invaded it one night, it was a sight. there were over 20 planes in the invading force. as i ran at the group i was lucky enough to avoid the few sent in my direction to quell the base and made it into the pack at the town. being in a KI-84 i had much better speed and turning capabilities than the monstrous 110's. i managed to damage 3 and down 2 (mostly i think due directly to the advantage that kill shooter gave me being in the middle of them) before i spied the C-47 in bound. i took off after it and got a couple of hits into it before being torn to pieces by its escorts. in all, including my interference in the attack the base was captured in less than 3 minutes from the time i spotted them till "BASE #### HAS BEEN CAPTURED BY THE BISHOP"S" appeared. although i was their opponent, i was impressed with the precision of the attack.

The fastest that i have ever personally witnessed was when i was a B.O.P., it was 1minute 47 seconds from first shot fired to capture. that base had 5 planes defending it. they and the town were overwhelmed and put down in the first pass. use to have the film but it was awhile ago and those films stopped working after one of the updates so i erased it.

anyone i have encountered flying a 110 has without fail gone for the HO.  any 110 pilot who does not use the tactic and is flying without close in air support is virtually guaranteed a quick trip to the tower.

and do not attack just the B.O.P.'s with the horde accusation. i see this far more often from the Rooks and Knights than i ever do with the Bishop's. most Bishop's cant get their heads out of their arses to create and initiate let alone accomplish a mission of this magnitude.

i do agree though, if they did this type of flying more than just the once every week or two weeks that they actually do it, well that would cripple the fun in the game for many players. so its an issue that i am torn over. it has its pluses and its minuses. i guess my only input would be moderation.

So i <SALUTE> the B.O.P.'s for their success and  hope to fly with and against you again in the future.

Good Luck and Happy Hunting B.O.P.'s!!!!!!

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2008, 12:26:29 AM »

Well i come to this discussion as having formally been a B.O.P. and having flown missions with and against them since.

when you invade a base with 110's the point is to avoid the furball. most planes can easily out speed out climb and out turn the lumbering 110 without much issue. to allow your opponent to pass you on the merge is to lead to an almost certain death for the 110 pilot. his guns have great range and good alignment so the advantage in the 110 is the HO. is this not what would be considered good acm for a 110 pilot? to attack at your advantage with the longer reach and better targeting of the 110, before your opponent rolls in behind you for the easy kill?

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Thats where I disagree with you. The 110 is a great dogfighter you just have to get past the urge to HO everything in sight. The guns in the 110 dont have a long reach and arent that easy to target with. The 110 isnt the uberest plane in the game when it comes to dogfighting but you seem to think its some death trap. Clearly you have never gone up agenst someone who has skill in a 110.

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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2008, 02:24:28 AM »

Thats where I disagree with you. The 110 is a great dogfighter you just have to get past the urge to HO everything in sight. The guns in the 110 dont have a long reach and arent that easy to target with. The 110 isnt the uberest plane in the game when it comes to dogfighting but you seem to think its some death trap. Clearly you have never gone up agenst someone who has skill in a 110.

i dont know about that, i just easily killed a 110 with one of thebest sticks in game, we where at same alt. and hewanted to dogfight,lasted about 45 seconds before he went boom, 110 in the right hands is deadly but so is every other plane!!

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2008, 02:55:15 AM »
So who was it?

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2008, 03:14:38 AM »
Well BoSoXFan i have killed targets at 1000 out clean. long before they could get in close enough to do damage to me. those nose fired cannons work very well at targeting at that range, just a little raise to the nose and i start to tap the trigger at the 1k mark.  they fly into it before they even realize that im firing. the tactic has worked well for me whenever i have used it.
on multiple occassions i have engaged a 110 attacking a base i was at, the only time i have ever been downed by one was by the HO. i am certain that you are correct and that there are those select few pilots with the skill to be able to give a fighter jocky a run for its money, and i would suspect that the majority of those few would be B.O.P.'s.

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2008, 03:51:19 AM »
Sure you can always raise the nose and start spraying from 1000 out but you can do that with any plane. Hell Iv out Hoed a 262 with my 109K4 before. I out a 30mm right in his cockpit from more then 800 out. Only thing is that most other planes don't have such a big gun pack. You see that a lot with nikis, 190A8s, hurris, and typhs to but that isn't what makes any difference. Were those multiple occasions people coming into pork with the big gun pack on like a noob? Iv never really got into a fight with a BoP without getting buzzed by the rest of the gang but just because you can take down buildings with it doesn't make you good in it. What makes you good is flying it looking for those who think all it can do is HO and wonder how the hell you out maneuver them and send them to the tower.

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Re: Here ya go Falc :)
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2008, 07:56:41 AM »
I used to jump in all the big base grabbing missions.  Then I realized I was just blowing up buildings that don't fight back, vulching, and dying quickly to any enemy plane that had a clue about ACM's.

People who don't want to take the time to learn how to properly fly and engage contact with the enemy love to hide in a horde.

Even better are the horde organizers I've seen who simply follow along at alt and pick anything that gets caught up fighting multiple bogies in the horde.

I'm about down to squad nights, FSO, and Scenarios as far as what I want to fly.  The MA has lost appeal.  Half of each country is simply avoiding the other hordes to steal bases and give each other wtg's.

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