Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...

[DiabloTX]

Here's thing on the comparison with 4.2's and LSX's.  I have to deal with Mustang owners on a weekly basis at our local car meets.  They say the same exact thing you say, CAP.  "You can't compare engines, man.  4.2 vs. 5.7?  Come on!"  Well, how can you NOT compare a Z28 with a Mustang GT?  That's the way it's been for decades!  Like I said it's what Ford puts in them and there's just no way around that until Ford decides something different.  A friend of mine drives a new Mustang Shelby.  When he can he parks next to my Z.  The first time he did that the Mustang owners took note.  One guy even came over and said, "Why is that Mustang parked next to a Camaro?"  To which I replied, "Because he can and he wanted to.  And for the record, the Camaro got there first, as usual." 

To paraphrase what LBJ said in The Right Stuff, "Mustang owners!  Is there anybody that can deal with a Mustang owner?!?"

[Bronk]

LOL, yeah, because Ford fans can only drop forced induction into their 4.6 and 5.2 to make any kind of respectable horsepower and even then they brag about it.  So CAP I guess you hate Cobra-Jet 427's too, eh?

Erm see my neighbors car. 425 hp no forced induction is not respectable?  What is you definition of respectable hp?

[Cougar68]

Diablo, you were wanting Ford people to be in awe of the power output of 5.7 in comparison to 4.2.  You weren't just talking Mustang vs. Camaro.  I don't think anybody is saying that Mustangs and Camaro's as a whole shouldn't be compared on a level field.  But when you're talking engines alone, 4.2 to 5.7 isn't a direct comparison. 

[Bronk]

Diablo, you were wanting Ford people to be in awe of the power output of 5.7 in comparison to 4.2.  You weren't just talking Mustang vs. Camaro.  I don't think anybody is saying that Mustangs and Camaro's as a whole shouldn't be compared on a level field.  But when you're talking engines alone, 4.2 to 5.7 isn't a direct comparison. 

Well you can't compare 5.0 stangs vs say.... 5.0 camaros....... That just wouldn't be fair.

[DiabloTX]

Diablo, you were wanting Ford people to be in awe of the power output of 5.7 in comparison to 4.2.  You weren't just talking Mustang vs. Camaro.  I don't think anybody is saying that Mustangs and Camaro's as a whole shouldn't be compared on a level field.  But when you're talking engines alone, 4.2 to 5.7 isn't a direct comparison. 

Ok, let me make this clear, and I said 4.6, not 4.2.  Mustang GT vs. Z28.  How much more clearer can I be? 

Base Mustang vs Base Camaro
Mustang GT vs Camaro Z28

Is that so hard?

[DiabloTX]

Today's Saleen / Parnelli Jones Limited Edition Mustang reflects the same authentic vintage attitude but comes complete with a new Saleen 302 cid V-8, 3-valve engine. This engine produces a whopping 370 SAE hp at 6000 RPM, and with 370 ft-lb of torque at 4000 RPM. The high compression engine transforms a normal drive into an exciting thrill ride. Awakening the senses, the new Saleen engine is equipped with a high compression, high revving valve train, utilizing forged pistons, rods, and crankshaft and a lightweight, aluminum flywheel. Top-performance calibrations are thanks to Saleen's PowerFlash(TM) technology.

Seems someone disagrees about the hp rating there, Bronk.  Even then 370hp is good naturally aspirated.  I have zero complaints about that, especially coming from a 302!

http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/2007/07saleenparnellijones.htm

[Bronk]

Seems someone disagrees about the hp rating there, Bronk.  Even then 370hp is good naturally aspirated.  I have zero complaints about that, especially coming from a 302!

http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/2007/07saleenparnellijones.htm

The Saleen/Parnelli Jones Limited Edition Mustang celebrates that attitude and capability with its Saleen MOD 302 V8 3-valve engine, producing 400 HP at 6000 RPM and 390 ft-lb of torque at 4000 RPM. The high rev, high compression engine utilizes forged pistons, rods, crankshaft, a lightweight aluminum flywheel and Saleen’s PowerFlashTM technology. “From the Saleen MOD 302 to the high performance exhaust, we’ve delivered a truly authentic experience,” notes Saleen.

http://www.saleen.com/saleen-parnellijones.htm

And he has told me he has had some other work done to it. He is a car nut so I take him at his word.

[DiabloTX]

2007 SALEEN / PARNELLI JONES LIMITED EDITION PRICE:
 $
 59,015.00
 
Federal Gas Guzzler Tax $ 1,300.00
   
 Enclosed Freight to Dealer
 $
 1,550.00
 
TOTAL SALEEN MSRP:  $
 61,865.00




Holy crap!  No thanks!

[Bronk]

As i have said before I am a car guy 1st.   So this what's better" is just so much tire smoke.

[Grayeagle]

Ohhh .. I don't know ..

..comparing 5.0 Ford to 5.0 Chebby .. lessee ..

Boss 302 to Z28 302?
-evil grin-

Ok the Boss 302 was rare .. guess we could match rarity with the 425 horse cross ram 302 from Chebby?
-very evil grin-

It was a fact that if you bolted decent headers to either engine, they gained huge up to 7k+ rpm

They weren't for the 'lectric window crowd for sure

-GE

[Bronk]

Ohhh .. I don't know ..

..comparing 5.0 Ford to 5.0 Chebby .. lessee ..

Boss 302 to Z28 302?
-evil grin-

Ok the Boss 302 was rare .. guess we could match rarity with the 425 horse cross ram 302 from Chebby?
-very evil grin-

It was a fact that if you bolted decent headers to either engine, they gained huge up to 7k+ rpm

They weren't for the 'lectric window crowd for sure

-GE

lol Brand C 302 was rarer than 3 gun La7s.

[Bronk]

2007 SALEEN / PARNELLI JONES LIMITED EDITION PRICE:
 $
 59,015.00
 
Federal Gas Guzzler Tax $ 1,300.00
   
 Enclosed Freight to Dealer
 $
 1,550.00
 
TOTAL SALEEN MSRP:  $
 61,865.00




Holy crap!  No thanks!

Hey it's his loot so who am i to judge. He also has 2 of those weird Tbirds.

[Bronk]

Diablo if $ were no object I'd restore one of these.
http://parkermediaproductions.com/moparsbymosher/projects/frinks64/frinks64.htm
Tis a sic ride.



Edit: Was a dealer option for the 426 race engine. 10 sec 1/4 mile goodness.

[DiabloTX]

If money were no object, my pick:

1st pick:




Any one of those.


2nd pick:

[Cougar68]

Ok, let me make this clear, and I said 4.6, not 4.2.  Mustang GT vs. Z28.  How much more clearer can I be? 

Base Mustang vs Base Camaro
Mustang GT vs Camaro Z28

Is that so hard?

I think the GT vs. Z28 comparison is a fair one to make.  But 4.6 to 5.7 isn't a level field.  You can't poopoo one engine for not making as much power without forced induction when it's giving up 1.1 liters of displacement.