Battle Of Britain

[Yarbles]

We all know in this scenario that the bombers are way to fast late models or substitutes but what is with the 110's. Faster than Spits!!! this is nonsense the 110 in the B of B was slightly faster than the Hurri not around 50mph faster than the Spit.

Isnt it time we got the right planes to run this popular scenario which many consider the decisive battle of WW2.

When I look at the speed charts it is only the later model that was faster than a spit. Whoever set this thing up last needs to look at which 110 was made avaialable

[Sloehand]

Got news for you, but it was the early 110c that was used.  I've been in it for all of Rangoon and now BoB.  The real advantage of the 110c over the Hurri I and Spit I, IMO is WEP.  The 110 has more of it and it recovers quickly, meaning in any sustained acceleration such as a long chase, the 110 will eventually pull ahead of the RAF planes. 

Though I don't know for sure, I think the 110 WEP is a bit stronger or more effective as well.  I was able to actually outdive and then pull away from both RAF plane types, though very slowly and not without taking wing hits.  Don't know it it was all the aircraft, or partially the pilots and their differing levels of determination.   

[Anaxogoras]

The Spit Mk I is faster than the 110C-4/B at all altitudes except for 27k ft and above.

The Ju 88A-4 we have was actually a little slower than the Ju 88A-1 it replaced.  However, it is true that the Ju 88 was significantly faster than the He 111s and Do 17s that made up the majority of the bomber fleet.

So, now we see the need for early war bombers?  What?  Still asking for the A-26?

If you really want to get an accurate planeset for this scenario, add the following:
110C-4
He 111
Do 17
Ju 87B

[Yarbles]

The Spit Mk I is faster than the 110C-4/B at all altitudes except for 27k ft and above.

The Ju 88A-4 we have was actually a little slower than the Ju 88A-1 it replaced.  However, it is true that the Ju 88 was significantly faster than the He 111s and Do 17s that made up the majority of the bomber fleet.

So, now we see the need for early war bombers?  What?  Still asking for the A-26?

If you really want to get an accurate planeset for this scenario, add the following:
110C-4
He 111
Do 17
Ju 87B

Bearing in mind how important the scenario is and how many people play it we need this.

On the speed charts the 110 is slower than the spit both with Wep at all alts but it performed significantly better than exppected in last BofB, Someone should look at this

[Noir]

it performed significantly better than exppected in last BofB

For you maybe....as I played BOB06 no surprise on my side...maybe the pilots made the difference heh ?

[Bruv119]

karnak has said in another thread that it isn't the early 110 C  but a rare uprated engine version.  

I agree the 110c  is a tad too fast for my liking.  But that is only because I want to shoot the bugger down and they are right to run  

[Noir]

karnak has said in another thread that it isn't the early 110 C  but a rare uprated engine version.  

I agree the 110c  is a tad too fast for my liking.  But that is only because I want to shoot the bugger down and they are right to run  

I'd like to find that thread cause dantoo wouldn't believe me, I didn't search tho. Even if our 110C is 5mph faster that doesn't change the fact that if you get bounced by spits, death is really close.

[Steve]

I'd like to see the do117 and the HE111 near the top of the new plane list for sure!  I flew in BoB frame1 and those ju88's were FAST. It's an excellent scenario.  I really enjoyed it as I flew with some gents I rarely run into... all those brits who normally fly at a different time than me. Good stuff and I look forward to the time when we can run this scenario with an accurate plane set.

[RTGorkle]

Read the scenario rules...

"5.1(c) All Bf-110 aircraft are required to fly with one engine shut down at all times to alleviate the unfair speed advantage over Allied aircraft"

[Yarbles]

Well Ive made up my mind that in any future poll I will vote for early war Bombers as in Heinkel and Wellington and please High Tech re Model the 110c to make it B of B accurate.    

[Anaxogoras]

karnak has said in another thread that it isn't the early 110 C  but a rare uprated engine version.  

I agree the 110c  is a tad too fast for my liking.  But that is only because I want to shoot the bugger down and they are right to run  

It's a 110C-4/B, the fighter-bomber version of the very common 110C-4.  They were contemporaries.  The difference is the ability to carry bombs and improved DB 601 Ba engines over the original DB 601 B-1 engines; a prop/engine ratio of 1:1.88 vs. 1:1.55

[Anaxogoras]

Well Ive made up my mind that in any future poll I will vote for early war Bombers as in Heinkel and Wellington and please High Tech re Model the 110c to make it B of B accurate.    

The 110C is BoB accurate, it's just the best 110 that the Luftwaffe had at that time.  I would have no problem with a regular 110C-4 for scenario use, but you wouldn't notice much difference.

[Babalonian]

We all know in this scenario that the bombers are way to fast late models or substitutes but what is with the 110's. Faster than Spits!!! this is nonsense the 110 in the B of B was slightly faster than the Hurri not around 50mph faster than the Spit.

Isn't it time we got the right planes to run this popular scenario which many consider the decisive battle of WW2.

When I look at the speed charts it is only the later model that was faster than a spit. Whoever set this thing up last needs to look at which 110 was made available

Yeah,... that's your problem, the planes....

 

We've done our homework, spent some recreational masochistic time with our planes in the LWA, we know our planes and how to use them to their greatest effectiveness over the spits and hurris (that puffy ack on the other hand... ).

I was escorting Ju-88s all during the first frame in a 109E4 at very high alt .  They (the particualr bomber group my group was assigned to) couldn't of been going faster than 160-170 at cruising altitude, I was matching them with my cruise speed of just over 150 mph at cruising altitude.

[ROC]

Although I do understand the frustration trying to match up planes based on speed charts, I have to say that's not the way we do things.

We use real in game checks to lay out the events.  We spend a great deal of time putting planes in the conditions of the event, and seeing how they actually perform, and then balance accordingly.  Oddly enough, we've ran BoB twice before, both sides have won very close fights, the plane balance is just fine.  Far more goes into an event than matching the speed charts.  Don't look to those as a major contributor to an event, you'll always be disappointed.

[BMathis]

NO matter what you RAF pilots do....



 



Enough propaganda, back on track here... 

I think it may just have to do with how each pilot flys their planes. I'll not continue, as you can talk about tactics in your scenario forum.

Which is where I thought this thread should belong in the first place.

 

Mathis