After 9 years...

[FALCONWING]

I still enjoy the game but have lost some of the compulsion to play it for hours.  I think the truth is that it is NOT anything wrong with the game as much as I have just gotten older.  Yes AW was amazing but my learning curve was sooo steep and everyday i felt i was improving.  (kind of like everquest in the beginning....but once you got thru the first 20 levels of your character it got boring for me)  Unfortunately what you guys are proposing for improvements really wont make much difference...small rule changes wont really present new challenges for anyone. 

Once we take our rose colored glasses off..AH is a much better game then AW was.  I remember getting gangbanged especially towards the end of it.  The graphics were not as good and the problem with 1v1's is that sometimes it was awesome...but there were always guys in FWs who would b-n-z you and run...basically the 1-v1's were much like going to the DA and asking who wanted to fight...gentlemanly but by no means spontaneous.  Yes there was more "testing" yourself and achieving ACM goals....but most of us were "newbs" and needed those challenges.  Nowadays I'm good enough that I could care less who may be a tad better...

I still fly a good amount because it relaxes me and i enjoy my squadmates...but their banter makes me smile much more then any fight I typically have....

[Kev367th]

HTC has already said he won't add an arena for fighters only, or one for land grabbers only. So that leads us back to adjusting play. Some  of us don't care about points, or our name in lights, but if we use that to lead the "quake" style players to fly a sim instead of playing quake. Is there anoter way other than adjusting scoring to lead "gamers" that way?

Why should the gamers be led anywhere?
What makes there style of play any less valid than yours?

As you are fond of saying on the ENY / arena caps threads - You are the one limiting yourself. (there is so much more than one style of play)

[The Fugitive]

Why should the gamers be led anywhere?
What makes there style of play any less valid than yours?

As you are fond of saying on the ENY / arena caps threads - You are the one limiting yourself. (there is so much more than one style of play)

The "gamers" are after points, and to "win the game" were as the "old cartel" is after the "sim" aspect of fighting. I suggest that by changing the scoring system to lead the gamers toward a more simmers style of play. The gamers will still have their game, their points, and their "win the war" objective. By changing the scoring they just have to go about it differently to get there.

I still like this game....I still fly this game...unlike some who just troll the boards. Whats wrong with taking some of the "game the game" aspects out of the game. People can't be trusted to "work" for their goal any longer, too many look for the easy way out, cut corners. In the end, all they did was cheat there way to the top.

[shreck]

It seems to me that there is an underlying desire to be recognised by some measurable statistic in this thread, many of the comments have had to do with, " player A should recieve more credit for landing kills in plane B as opposed to player B landing kills in plane A" and " do you think player P should be in the top 5 in score for the the lame flying he does--> toolshedding, etc. " Although --> NO-ONE <-- will admit that they truely want to be recognised and their achievements realistically hilighted for all to see , it is so clear that this IS the case. The " score doesn't matter" EGO is soooo transparent and false I am literaly laughing outloud! There is nothing wrong with wanting to be recognised and celebrated for ones abilities, so please be honest about it and lets find a way to make scoring less gamey so those who truely excell in certain categories can be recognised for it!
Please read thru this thread again, you will find my statement to be true. If some sort of measure was truely not importent, then the style of play by others would NOT even be mentioned!! "because it would be insignificant"---> get it ? There is definitely underlying deception and psychology goin on here!!

New arenas is not what is wanted by those in this thread!! A new way to legitimately SCORE folks, taking into consideration--> plane quality, threat level, current state of advantage or disadvantage, type of guns on and on etc. is what they want!! so please admit the desire to be recognised in a realistic scoring system. The EGO of "score doesn't matter" attitude is getting in the way of constructive dialogue 

[shreck]

its not always about winning or proving who is best ya know..

absolutely! Although the underlying tone in this thread is all to clear! 

[mechanic]

I will reply here if you dont mind shreck..

It seems to me that there is an underlying desire to be recognised by some measurable statistic in this thread, many of the comments have had to do with, " player A should recieve more credit for landing kills in plane B as opposed to player B landing kills in plane A" and " do you think player P should be in the top 5 in score for the the lame flying he does--> toolshedding, etc. " Although --> NO-ONE <-- will admit that they truely want to be recognised and their achievements realistically hilighted for all to see , it is so clear that this IS the case.

You may well be correct, that everyone wants to be recognised for what they are proud of. What i think you are mistaking is just exactly what some people are proud of themselves for and want others to notice. For me it would be flying stupid and pulling off the odd moment of ACM inovation that tricks my enemy. For SHawk it is managing flying to obtain a decent rank. For Humble it would be recognised for flying the A20 as a fighter. For yourself it may well be the 'name in lights' you speak of or something else.
 But trust me, if, as you state, 'everyone wants to have name in lights' do you really think most of us could NOT manipulate a score card to be ranked number one? Take a closer look sir, and try to define what it is that someone like Humble is proud of himself for, it is not now and never will be his score card.

The " score doesn't matter" EGO is soooo transparent and false I am literaly laughing outloud! There is nothing wrong with wanting to be recognised and celebrated for ones abilities, so please be honest about it and lets find a way to make scoring less gamey so those who truely excell in certain categories can be recognised for it!

See above answer, I am afraid you are just wrong here. The top echelon of 'skill' here IS celebrated in the DA, in the TA or in the individual encouters we all have with others. Certainly it is not celebrated in the score card. If you truly think the 'score doesnt matter ego' is false and secretly everyone wants to be ranked number 1 then you are truly misguided and ignorant of most of our intentions.

Please read thru this thread again, you will find my statement to be true. If some sort of measure was truely not importent, then the style of play by others would NOT even be mentioned!! "because it would be insignificant"---> get it ? There is definitely underlying deception and psychology goin on here!!

New arenas is not what is wanted by those in this thread!! A new way to legitimately SCORE folks, taking into consideration--> plane quality, threat level, current state of advantage or disadvantage, type of guns on and on etc. is what they want!! so please admit the desire to be recognised in a realistic scoring system. The EGO of "score doesn't matter" attitude is getting in the way of constructive dialogue 

What is so wrong with asking dfor a score system that actualy proove some skill rather than the current incarnation which does not?



food for thought, maybe.

[shreck]

Anyone can manipulate score!! I choose not to, I agree with you all the way mechanic, I think we are looking at same thing thru different windows!
Now as far as being unaffected by score, can you please tell me why " if recognition doesn't matter, then why is there mention of pacerr and his antics ? <---- should be a moot point if we really are unconcerned of how we measure up against others!!  more food for thought!

I'm honestly not trolling, but there are many inconsistancies goin on here 

[shreck]

What is so wrong with asking dfor a score system that actualy proove some skill rather than the current incarnation which does not?



food for thought, maybe.

I believe this is my point!!

[mechanic]

ok so the pacerr example is not really applicable to someone like Humble. As a squadmate of many years now i have found snaphook to be one of the guys least likely to speak badly of another person due to their game ethics, he really couldnt care less about how Pacerr plays the game.
 When i duel snaphook he is always telling me how much better i am doing than him, never commenting on my many mistakes, plus usualy damning his own performance from every angle. This is typical of the man, when in reality his experience and skill in this type of game overshadows mine by a factor of at least two times.

 You are right we may be closer to each others opinion than we think, but one thing i remain steadfast about is the intention for this thread. It was never about making 'name in lights' more in reach to humble, just a suggestion to improve the value of the current rank system.

S!
bat

[shreck]

ok so the pacerr example is not really applicable to someone like Humble. As a squadmate of many years now i have found snaphook to be one of the guys least likely to speak badly of another person due to their game ethics, he really couldnt care less about how Pacerr plays the game.
 When i duel snaphook he is always telling me how much better i am doing than him, never commenting on my many mistakes, plus usualy damning his own performance from every angle. This is typical of the man, when in reality his experience and skill in this type of game overshadows mine by a factor of at least two times.

 You are right we may be closer to each others opinion than we think, but one thing i remain steadfast about is the intention for this thread. It was never about making 'name in lights' more in reach to humble, just a suggestion to improve the value of the current rank system.

S!
bat

I also agree snap could care less about " name in lights" But improving the current scoring system could recognize snap for pwning most everyone with an A20, could it not ?

Ahh I think our mutual desires here are the same!!

Oh and BTW, name in lights is merely an added poke in the ribs for me when I successfully spank the horde and am able to land!! 

[mechanic]

I think you are being too cynical to say the main purpose of this thread was a personal attempt to get his rank up a few notches

[shreck]

I think you are being too cynical to say the main purpose of this thread was a personal attempt to get his rank up a few notches

NO, I think that he's probably sick of seeing folks like pacerr at #1 when they obviously are NOT !

My comments are not really directed at snap, they are more directed at the "score doesn't matter but look at how lame so and so is" crowd!!

[shreck]

I think you are being too cynical to say the main purpose of this thread was a personal attempt to get his rank up a few notches

Not so sure I actually said this.

[humble]

Pacerr only came up since he was ranked #1 when i looked (overall). In looking at his "stats" I saw he had a tremendous # of kills in the tempest so he's clearly manipulating his "score". Now if I recall he had 55 kills in a firefly vs 5 deaths so I could have also said he was spawn camping etc. I then looked thru (actually a lot of very good sticks do have excellent fighter scores) and saw greebo with 100% fighter sorties all in a F6F and simply commented that in my mind he was probably the true current "#1" {no disrespect intended to other worthy contenders}.

As for me, I've never considered myself anything above a "2nd tier" stick. I'm certainly good but far from uber. I think Brook said it best long ago "above the unwashed masses and below the gods" if I recall his intro in the old AW tutorial he wrote (a very good and still valid writeup BTW). I fly the A-20 because I enjoy it and it plays to my strengths {sound tactics, good middle game ACM, "3D" flying style} and offsets some of my weaknesses {poor gunnery, marginal touch at high AoA}. I've never been a great dueler or a MA killing machine or had a lot of interest in exploiting a superior plane. I prefer undefined encounters to the set piece dueling "DA" approach since judgement and tactics effect the outcome more IMO.

[shreck]

Pacerr only came up since he was ranked #1 when i looked (overall). In looking at his "stats" I saw he had a tremendous # of kills in the tempest so he's clearly manipulating his "score". Now if I recall he had 55 kills in a firefly vs 5 deaths so I could have also said he was spawn camping etc. I then looked thru (actually a lot of very good sticks do have excellent fighter scores) and saw greebo with 100% fighter sorties all in a F6F and simply commented that in my mind he was probably the true current "#1" {no disrespect intended to other worthy contenders}.

As for me, I've never considered myself anything above a "2nd tier" stick. I'm certainly good but far from uber. I think Brook said it best long ago "above the unwashed masses and below the gods" if I recall his intro in the old AW tutorial he wrote (a very good and still valid writeup BTW). I fly the A-20 because I enjoy it and it plays to my strengths {sound tactics, good middle game ACM, "3D" flying style} and offsets some of my weaknesses {poor gunnery, marginal touch at high AoA}. I've never been a great dueler or a MA killing machine or had a lot of interest in exploiting a superior plane. I prefer undefined encounters to the set piece dueling "DA" approach since judgement and tactics effect the outcome more IMO.

I also agree the variables in the MA far out challenge those set forth in the steril environement of the DA! It is the unknown and unexpected that is truely a challenge The DA has its place, but it is very predictable, and whoever performs the most efficient immel. over and over has a great advantage! rather boring at times!! I find myself complaining about being ganged now and then! Honestly I don't think I'd have it any other way though   so I should just STHU    <S>