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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2009, 11:59:07 AM »
M00T I doubt he'll add the 410.  It was horrible, just an update on the 210, which almost got Messerschmitt Shot.

The 210 and 410 were so bad they had to continue makeing 110s, which they canceled at one point.

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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2009, 02:32:04 PM »
M00T I doubt he'll add the 410.  It was horrible, just an update on the 210, which almost got Messerschmitt Shot.

The 210 and 410 were so bad they had to continue makeing 110s, which they canceled at one point.

Now....if you talk the He219 I might listen! :D

Most sources I've read and seen said the 410 corrected most, if not all, of the 210s problems and it was successful as a bomber destroyer. Unfortunately for the 410, escorts were able to stay with the bombers all the way by then and the 410s were no match for escorting fighters. I just don't remember much about it's use as an attack plane, although it was certainly capable of the job. Allied air superiority by that time probably severly limited its ability to execute that, or any other, mission.

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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2009, 07:52:45 PM »
Hajo, like hammer said.. It looks to me like the 410 was nearly just the right plane at nearly too late a time and pretty much the wrong place.  It could carry a ton of stuff. E.G. 6x 20mm in the nose (there was a one-off 8x20 field mod, deemed "excessive"; "watering can" was the term), or a 50mm BK5. Look at the specs for the MK103 cannon, compared to pretty much anything in the game.  That gun makes the Yak9T look like a steam powered tin can shooter. There's two of those, standard, in the 410 nose, which itself has a nice glass section near the pilot's feet; a deflection shooter's dream come true :D.  It has comparable overall specs to the 110, which was supposed to be (on paper) pretty much inept at dogfighting, especialy if you added WWII anecdotic impressions.. and we know how that turned out. The specs also compare pretty well to the P38. 

IOW, it's as likely as the 110 and Beau to do pretty well in the game, given how we flog them.  It's not guaranteed, but the precedent for planes with this kind of paper dogfighting specs is pretty good: 110, P38, Mossie.. Even the A20 does as well as it does despite it being nothing of a dogfighter on paper.

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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #93 on: January 31, 2009, 01:04:59 AM »
I understood that the 410 was just a name change to get away from the stigma of the 210.
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #94 on: January 31, 2009, 01:14:18 AM »
Significant changes were made to the 210 to get the 410.

The 210 was a death-trap. The 410 was less of a death trap, for example.  :lol
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #95 on: January 31, 2009, 03:51:22 AM »
Anybody have an links to material on the Beaus service with night fighter squadrons during the blitz?

Specifically Im looking for kill tallys on specific German aircraft during night time hours. Thanx. Even better would be a inclusive record of Beau night time squadron Ops during the entire war in Europe.
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #96 on: January 31, 2009, 08:11:23 AM »
Thank you. It was as I thought. The Beau was heavily involved in the war and had many kills. If we only had an hour of night at a time in the arenas the Beau would sparkle. There were some night fighter squadrons that flew Beaus for a time and I wanted to know what kind of service, under what conditions, they gave, "including some famous Aussie squadrons".

My guess is we'd get the Mark-V. It would be the best all around version for the game I think.


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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #97 on: January 31, 2009, 10:47:52 PM »
M00T...the only major change to the 410 was more horse power.  Minor changes were made to the airframe.

As I said...110 Production was canceled.....but was reinstated due to the poor performance of the 210 and 410.

Now.....if that isn't proof the LW didn't like them...I don't know what is.  ;)

Willy was almost forced to resign his post because of the debacle.

The problem with the LW was they tried to make all their aircraft a jack of all trades. They were succesful in a very few.

Again...if you want a LW twin engined fighter ask for the He 219....it was a succesful fighter.

The 219 was more heavily armed then the 410, it was faster, and more maneuverable from all accounts.

It was a Mossie on steroids.



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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #98 on: January 31, 2009, 11:43:21 PM »
Started a new thread to avoid derailing.
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2009, 04:13:15 AM »
Yes, lets get back to Beaufighters causing all kinds of trouble on the deck or near the deck anyway :)

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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2009, 04:38:59 AM »
What a great pic.. :)  The round ripples in the water are debris from explosions, or 20mm bursts on the water surface, or... ?  And what's the trail of smoke down the middle? 
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2009, 04:42:05 AM »
looks like exploding ords
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2009, 07:39:51 AM »
Great photo :aok
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2009, 08:51:36 AM »
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2009, 08:28:32 PM »
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