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Title: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: NEARY on December 31, 2008, 10:35:55 PM
I think that the beaufighter should be added.

It was a very important aircraft in the war in Europe, and was also used much in the pacific campaign in the Royal Australian Air Force where it was nick named by the Japanese " Whispering Death"

here is some basic information on it :

First Flight: July 17, 1939

It was powered by 2 x bristol 1770 Horsepower Hercules XVII 14-cylinder air-cooled radials.

Armament: 4 x 20mm cannons and 6 x .303 MG's, Had 1 .303 dorsal gunner position. 1 x 1600lbs or 1 x 2127 lbs torpedo + 2 x 500lbs bombs and 8 x 3" rockets.

Max speed: 318 mph
Ceiling: 15,000 ft
range: 1470mph
climb rate: 5,000ft in 3 minutes 30 seconds

btw i didn't copy and paste any of this ;)

-KCTHUNDR ( Happy new year only 24 minutes  :D)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on January 01, 2009, 01:56:31 AM
+1   :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on January 01, 2009, 03:40:55 AM
     Ever wonder why only the bad guys nicknamed Allied aircraft with those cool "Death" names,
Whistling Death, Whispering Death, etc?   :uhoh

     
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: waystin2 on January 01, 2009, 09:47:11 AM
Two thumbs up! :aok :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on January 01, 2009, 10:04:20 AM
     Ever wonder why only the bad guys nicknamed Allied aircraft with those cool "Death" names,
Whistling Death, Whispering Death, etc?   :uhoh

     
Because they didn't.  It was made up by the Allied media.  Sounds cool, but doesn't check out when actually followed up on.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on January 01, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
Thought I replied to this but I guess not  :rolleyes:

We'll get the Beau Fighter eventually i'm sure  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: fudgums on January 01, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
410 should come first. Becuase it is sexier than the beuafighter
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on January 01, 2009, 12:33:35 PM
I like the Beau fighter because we share the same name. My last name starts with Beau. It means handsome, pretty, or beautiful in Frech (has many meanings along that line)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: fudgums on January 01, 2009, 12:58:49 PM
I like the Beau fighter because we share the same name. My last name starts with Beau. It means handsome, pretty, or beautiful in Frech (has many meanings along that line)

its may be handsome and pretty.

But the 410 is just down right sexi.

Metaphor:

Jennifer Anniston Pretty

Marissa Miller down right sexi <---410 w000000t
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: CAVPFCDD on January 01, 2009, 09:36:57 PM
(http://www.geocities.com/cacbeaufighters/BeaufighterMkX_MBTphoto.jpg)

I'd say this plane has some sex appeal, I like it  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 01, 2009, 09:45:12 PM
The Beau fought from 40-45 and did it down and dirty on the deck in the ETO, PTO, MTO and CBI.  I've been reading all I can find on the Beau lately and I'm amazed at the war it fought.  wave top and right above the trees was the norm.  I'd give up my 38G for a Beau
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: fudgums on January 01, 2009, 09:49:51 PM
I still like my metaphor  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on January 01, 2009, 10:20:44 PM
I'd give up my 38G for a Beau

I'd fly it just because we have the same name but Corky...that's going a bit far  :O

I belive that the shortened nose it has (allowing engines to be closer) would make it a nimble fighter. The germans did this with the 410.

I can't wait for it to be added  :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on January 02, 2009, 08:21:18 AM
Because they didn't.  It was made up by the Allied media.  Sounds cool, but doesn't check out when actually followed up on.

     Apparently I need to turn up the sarcasm  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: oakranger on January 02, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
410 should come first. Becuase it is sexier than the beuafighter

Both are sexy, put the mossi in it too.


Get the beau and it would be another great addition to BoB, Philippines and Burma events. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: fudgums on January 02, 2009, 02:40:49 PM
Both are sexy, put the mossi in it too.


Get the beau and it would be another great addition to BoB, Philippines and Burma events. 

Please refer to my metaphor
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 03, 2009, 12:10:57 AM
It wouldn't be uber, but it carried a lot of firepower and was there in all theaters.  Can't believe that a little run to Norway with Mustang escort wouldn't be kinda fun :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeaufighterMustang150dpi.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 03, 2009, 12:41:47 AM
It would be a great addition to the game covers all arenas bombs,rockets,torpedo, cannon with 303's or my favourite DAP-MK-21 cannons & 50 Cal's. For the skinners almost every colour of the rainbow is available(militarily speaking of course) (http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9919/beaufighterjk5.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beaufighterjk5.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: beau32 on January 03, 2009, 04:57:55 AM
Yep, beautiful plane. I would also like the verson with the merlin engines installed also. But I will take what i can get. Deffently Yes on this plane!



Bristol Beaufighter "The Ten Gun Terror"
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Martyn on January 03, 2009, 08:51:05 AM
The Beau would be better added to help the balance - the Bf110 is a cracking ground attack as it is, as is the Il-2, so a Brit version would be useful. Also it was a significant plane - unfortunately so were the Wellington and Halifax (not ground attack though), but they simply don't have the same sex appeal as the Beau or the 410. So 'sex' appeal is a prime consideration.

I vote for both.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on January 03, 2009, 11:57:38 AM
The Beau would be better added to help the balance - the Bf110 is a cracking ground attack as it is, as is the Il-2, so a Brit version would be useful.
Erm, Mossie?

Not that I am against the Beaufighter being added, but from a grand attack viewpoint it won't really be much different in hitting capability than the Mossie.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Furball on January 03, 2009, 12:07:22 PM
Erm, Mossie?

Not that I am against the Beaufighter being added, but from a grand attack viewpoint it won't really be much different in hitting capability than the Mossie.

Yup, i think the uniqueness of the Beaufighter will be the torp carrying capacity, depending on which version was added.  In AH there is no decent attack aircraft able to drop a torp and fight its way home.

(http://www.84squadron.co.uk/assets/images/Bristol_Beaufighter_X_RD824_at_Tengah__photo_by_J_D_Rawlings.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TOMCAT21 on January 03, 2009, 02:29:20 PM
Add the beaufighter and based upon performance assign appropriate eny value to it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TOMCAT21 on January 03, 2009, 05:14:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUdbzQCm_Y

here's a link to youtube video clip of a beaufighter
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on January 03, 2009, 05:55:47 PM
Real nice footage, Beau pilots were a brave bunch  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Treize69 on January 03, 2009, 06:26:26 PM
My dad had an old paperback, I think it was called "Torpedo Bomber", that was all about the Beau in the Med and along the channel. They really did a lot of work that you rarely hear about, and some of the stories that come out of their service is just incredible.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TOMCAT21 on January 03, 2009, 06:50:55 PM
they certainly earned their money..there's a bunch more video clips of the beau in action. You could say the real noe guys...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Furball on January 04, 2009, 01:12:36 AM
My dad had an old paperback, I think it was called "Torpedo Bomber", that was all about the Beau in the Med and along the channel. They really did a lot of work that you rarely hear about, and some of the stories that come out of their service is just incredible.

I am pretty sure that was the Beaufort - good book!  The Beaufort was the aircraft the Beaufighter was developed from.  It was a very successful torpedo bomber in its own right.

(http://thulcandra.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bristol_beaufort_excc.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Treize69 on January 04, 2009, 01:40:25 AM
I thought it was the Beaufighter, since it shows photos of them doing rocket strikes off the dutch coast and the frisians and talks about them strafing Italian shipping in the Med. Maybe its both?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Furball on January 04, 2009, 02:24:17 AM
I thought it was the Beaufighter, since it shows photos of them doing rocket strikes off the dutch coast and the frisians and talks about them strafing Italian shipping in the Med. Maybe its both?

Possibly, quite likely that i am thinking of a different book too! I remember reading part of one which was about Beaufort ops against axis shipping resupplying N Africa, i thought it was called 'Torpedo Bomber'.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: NEARY on January 09, 2009, 06:42:45 PM
while the halifax and wellington were both very important i think that the beaufighter should ccome before them because they are both are pretty close to lancaster ( but not comepletly) but if we get the beaufighter it will create a new kind of game, the beaufighter would also be great for Special events and since it has so much firpower and such versatility it will definatly not become a hangar queen. plus it just looks cool!

ps: im not saying the wellington and halifax shouldn't be added but if it was a vote by the AH community im sure that the beaufighter would win. and that both of the other 2 bombers should be added too just a lil later.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: fudgums on January 09, 2009, 07:37:49 PM
410 should still come before the Beaufighter. It makes a 110G look like a french soldier.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on January 09, 2009, 08:39:58 PM
410 should still come before the Beaufighter. It makes a 110G look like a french soldier.
Brave?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Treize69 on January 09, 2009, 09:17:42 PM
Afraid of deodorant?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on January 20, 2009, 09:39:14 PM
Patriotic yes to the Beau
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Noir on January 21, 2009, 03:20:05 AM
410 should still come before the Beaufighter. It makes a 110G look like a french soldier.

WTB a clue ?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on January 21, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
You know the Fighter Collection at Duxford are rebuilding a Beaufighter to flying condition. Its beginning to take shape but last I heard they were having trouble sourcing suitable engines and props. There are post war Hercules engines around, but they would need a lot of modding to fit a Beaufighter.

http://www.fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/beaufighter/index.php

IIRC there is an Aussie museum working on getting a Beaufort flying too.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on January 22, 2009, 10:57:18 AM
Greebo I saw that Beaufighter being restored when I was at Duxford back in 1999, they must have hit some snags as it was up on it's gear then. 

The National Museum of the USAF already has a Beaufighter on display.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=492

I'll bet a few phone calls to the right people might result in access to the cockpit for photos..

[edit] Or you could look at the photos they provided which includes a cockpit shot.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on January 22, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
This was a successful and versatile airframe. Unfortunately it was most successful in roles that really aren't associated with the game, but I'm all for the Beau being included. Enjoy the sight. http://www.burmabeaufighters.com/pages/beaufighters.php
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 22, 2009, 06:23:52 PM
Greebo I saw that Beaufighter being restored when I was at Duxford back in 1999, they must have hit some snags as it was up on it's gear then. 

The National Museum of the USAF already has a Beaufighter on display.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=492

I'll bet a few phone calls to the right people might result in access to the cockpit for photos..

[edit] Or you could look at the photos they provided which includes a cockpit shot. 

Yes you can get in to take pictures of any of there planes how ever it is a long process & it is just not open to the general public you must have a reason wanting access as well as be affiliated with an organization if I recall correctly. A link to an Australian aircraft. http://www.aarg.com.au/Beaufighter.htm
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 22, 2009, 07:13:06 PM
This was a successful and versatile airframe. Unfortunately it was most successful in roles that really aren't associated with the game, but I'm all for the Beau being included. Enjoy the sight. http://www.burmabeaufighters.com/pages/beaufighters.php

The only roll the Beaufighter had that really isn't associated with the game was as a night fighter.  The other rolls it was tasked with (anti-maritime, fighter/bomber) are all found in the MA.

Question is, which of the Beaufighters we'll get.  Would it be a regular Mark series or the Australian DAP version or maybe both?  In either case, the Beaufighter is a welcome addition to the EW and MW plane set and will see some life in the LW arenas as well.


ack-ack

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: thrila on January 22, 2009, 07:20:56 PM
I would love the beaufighter or the wellington.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on January 22, 2009, 07:57:55 PM
The only roll the Beaufighter had that really isn't associated with the game was as a night fighter.  The other rolls it was tasked with (anti-maritime, fighter/bomber) are all found in the MA.

Question is, which of the Beaufighters we'll get.  Would it be a regular Mark series or the Australian DAP version or maybe both?  In either case, the Beaufighter is a welcome addition to the EW and MW plane set and will see some life in the LW arenas as well.


ack-ack



The VIC would be representative of the Beau in all theatres, it would be the most likely model, but the mk21 (Aust version) would be good, with slightly heavier fire power and a good 2k bomb load.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 22, 2009, 08:13:53 PM
The VIC would be representative of the Beau in all theatres, it would be the most likely model, but the mk21 (Aust version) would be good, with slightly heavier fire power and a good 2k bomb load.

I would think the Mark 21 would have a better survival chance and use in the LW arenas than earlier versions.  Speaking of which, wasn't the Mark VIC the torpedo carrying version?  I would have thought the Mark III (w/Hercules engines) or the Mark IV (with Merlin engines) would have been a more representative model in all theaters.  Though, with the VIC variant the Beaufighter could be an effective anti-maritime platform. 

You might even see some of those weird SAPPers flying the VIC around and leveling a town with the torpedos.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 22, 2009, 10:54:07 PM
I would think the Mark 21 would have a better survival chance and use in the LW arenas than earlier versions.  Speaking of which, wasn't the Mark VIC the torpedo carrying version?  I would have thought the Mark III (w/Hercules engines) or the Mark IV (with Merlin engines) would have been a more representative model in all theaters.  Though, with the VIC variant the Beaufighter could be an effective anti-maritime platform. 

You might even see some of those weird SAPPers flying the VIC around and leveling a town with the torpedos.

ack-ack

OK I'm in full Beaufighter mode now that I've got all this time :)

Best options for the game should that day ever arrive.

Beaufighter VI, Beaufighter TFX and if spoiled, Aussie built Beaufighter 21. 

Modeling would be the same with the modified dihedral tail plane on all 3.  Only real difference between the TFX and 21 would be 6 303s vs 4 50s in the 21. Performance wise they'd be the same. Some TFX had the wing guns removed and extra fuel tanks installed.

TFX would be the torpedo version as well as the rocket bird although I think some late VI also carried rockets.  The first use of rockets being in June 44 with Coastal Command Beau's although they didn't refine it until 44.   VI had bombs added at some point but was more of a 20mms and 303s attack bird.  The Aussies in the PTO first started using bombs on their Beau's in late June 43.

Aussies used the VI to great effect in the PTO in 42-44.  RAF used the VI and X in the CBI extensively.  MTO saw the Beau used all over the place, and of course the Beau's of Coastal Command were doing the Norway runs as well as D-Day support.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on January 23, 2009, 03:31:03 AM
I would think the Mark 21 would have a better survival chance and use in the LW arenas than earlier versions.  Speaking of which, wasn't the Mark VIC the torpedo carrying version?  I would have thought the Mark III (w/Hercules engines) or the Mark IV (with Merlin engines) would have been a more representative model in all theaters.  Though, with the VIC variant the Beaufighter could be an effective anti-maritime platform. 


ack-ack

Ack-Ack,
The Mk I  had a production of around 900, the Mk II (merlins) 450. The Mk VI was the next major variant with 1800+ made, The final major production model was the TF Mk X, 2000 + produced.

The VIC is listed as carrying torps, but it was more of a proof of concept idea, I believe only 34 where delivered that could carry the torpedo. Once the concept was proven, they called it the TF Mk X.

So I think the Mk VIC and Mk X would be pretty representative.  Basically what Dan said :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on January 23, 2009, 04:05:08 AM
The Mk X and Mk 21 are close enough they could be the same AH model with different three different armament options in the loadout screen; just 20mms, 20mms and 303s, 20mms and 0.5ins.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on January 23, 2009, 04:20:03 PM
Maritime strike? In Aces High?
Maritime strike in Aces high is some dweeb upping Lancs to 2,000', surviving the ack long enough to fling a bunch of 1,000 lb bombs at a CV, and then upping another 10 times to get the job done. Even if your talking torpedoes, a job the Beau would do well with, 99% of the people will look at the single torp in the single Beau, then look at the 2 x 3 in the useonceandthrowaway JUs, and which one do you think they will take up? These are the same characters who will upp, fire 4 and tower, PT boats 30 times in a row until they finally get to ruin everyone elses fight and sink the CV.

Even the legitimate attacks on game CVs are done with heavy bombers dropping big eggs from a safe height. Or versatile Jabos dropping much more TnT then the Beau can/did/will. There are no submarines in the game or large, unescorted Japanese convoys. Two things the Beau sparkled at.

Yes there are the little supply barges but how many times have you heard someone ask, "can we sink those"? And whos going to up a Beau to sink them anyways? Lets face it. There really is no maritime strike mission in the game. Certainly one not handled already by far more able airplanes, usually associated with uncouth dweebery.

Oh I'll find a use for the Beau. Its to good an airplane to be useless and to good an airplane to leave out of the game. I say  :aok And while they are at it we need a Brit CV launched attack plane like the Firefly. Britain was a monster of a sea power at the time, a monster of a Carrier power, and we just plain dont have enough Brit on our CVs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
The only roll the Beaufighter had that really isn't associated with the game was as a night fighter.  The other rolls it was tasked with (anti-maritime, fighter/bomber) are all found in the MA.

Question is, which of the Beaufighters we'll get.  Would it be a regular Mark series or the Australian DAP version or maybe both?  In either case, the Beaufighter is a welcome addition to the EW and MW plane set and will see some life in the LW arenas as well.

ack-ack

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 23, 2009, 06:22:38 PM
Maritime strike? In Aces High?
Maritime strike in Aces high is some dweeb upping Lancs to 2,000', surviving the ack long enough to fling a bunch of 1,000 lb bombs at a CV, and then upping another 10 times to get the job done. Even if your talking torpedoes, a job the Beau would do well with, 99% of the people will look at the single torp in the single Beau, then look at the 2 x 3 in the useonceandthrowaway JUs, and which one do you think they will take up? These are the same characters who will upp, fire 4 and tower, PT boats 30 times in a row until they finally get to ruin everyone elses fight and sink the CV.

Even the legitimate attacks on game CVs are done with heavy bombers dropping big eggs from a safe height. Or versatile Jabos dropping much more TnT then the Beau can/did/will. There are no submarines in the game or large, unescorted Japanese convoys. Two things the Beau sparkled at.

Yes there are the little supply barges but how many times have you heard someone ask, "can we sink those"? And whos going to up a Beau to sink them anyways? Lets face it. There really is no maritime strike mission in the game. Certainly one not handled already by far more able airplanes, usually associated with uncouth dweebery.

Oh I'll find a use for the Beau. Its to good an airplane to be useless and to good an airplane to leave out of the game. I say  :aok And while they are at it we need a Brit CV launched attack plane like the Firefly. Britain was a monster of a sea power at the time, a monster of a Carrier power, and we just plain dont have enough Brit on our CVs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
I agree with what you have wrote here. In actuality with the fire power of US fleets & the game modeling such fire power it is virtually impossible to get any effective torpedo run with out it being a suicide run.  Just remember this plane was an effective fighter with many Ace's it will have many other uses within the game.

 http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1841768464/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 23, 2009, 06:54:08 PM
The Mk-X and Mk-21 are close enough they could be the same AH model with different three different armament options in the loadout screen; just 20mms, 20mms and 303s, 20mms and 0.5ins.
Could you use the template of both in light of the Mk-21 having the bulges under the cockpit for the auto pilot the nose has a completely differant look to the MK-10. Also they had differant engines if I am not mistaken.

  (http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6782/beaufighter1gj3.th.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beaufighter1gj3.jpg)  (http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/544/beaufightermkxmbtphotone4.th.jpg) (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beaufightermkxmbtphotone4.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 23, 2009, 08:59:47 PM
Could you use the template of both in light of the Mk-21 having the bulges under the cockpit for the auto pilot the nose has a completely differant look to the MK-10. Also they had differant engines if I am not mistaken.

I think the best way to look at it is the 21 would be icing on the cake.  The RAAF flew British built versions from 42 until the end.  The 21 was essentially their license built version of the Mk X.  The bulge was for the autopilot that wasn't fitted operationally.

If HTC modeled the Beau and was only going to do two versions like they did with the 25, then I'd suggest the VI and TFX.  And as Greebo said the 21 is close enough to the X that an armament option would work if they wanted to go that way like they did with the 25C and 25C Strafer versions.  Allow for leaving out the wing guns as was done, or skipping rockets or extra fuel and going with the 6 303s of the VI or X or 4 50s of the 21.

I'd be back for the Beau.  I'd move into it in fact.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on January 24, 2009, 04:17:59 AM
I think the engines are the only possible problem to sharing the Mk X and Mk 21 onto one shape. Were the Mk 21 engines significantly different to the Mk X engines, i.e. different power or supercharger settings? Or was it more of a paperwork thing, i.e. built in a different factory or different propeller fitting?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 24, 2009, 04:33:13 AM
I think the engines are the only possible problem to sharing the Mk X and Mk 21 onto one shape. Were the Mk 21 engines significantly different to the Mk X engines, i.e. different power or supercharger settings? Or was it more of a paperwork thing, i.e. built in a different factory or different propeller fitting?
Not much on engine specs but this might answer it.
http://airforce.gov.au/raafmuseum/research/aircraft/series2/A8.htm
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 24, 2009, 04:40:54 AM
I think the best way to look at it is the 21 would be icing on the cake.  The RAAF flew British built versions from 42 until the end.  The 21 was essentially their license built version of the Mk X.  The bulge was for the autopilot that wasn't fitted operationally.

If HTC modeled the Beau and was only going to do two versions like they did with the 25, then I'd suggest the VI and TFX.  And as Greebo said the 21 is close enough to the X that an armament option would work if they wanted to go that way like they did with the 25C and 25C Strafer versions.  Allow for leaving out the wing guns as was done, or skipping rockets or extra fuel and going with the 6 303s of the VI or X or 4 50s of the 21.

I'd be back for the Beau.  I'd move into it in fact.
Would it be that capable a dogfighter?  Would be a shame to come back after going cold turkey, only to burn right back out.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 24, 2009, 09:42:13 AM
MkXXI was tested in early 1945.  It saw about 8 months of action.

I'm betting we will see the MkX.  MkXXI was made under license in Australia.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 25, 2009, 12:05:02 AM
Would it be that capable a dogfighter?  Would be a shame to come back after going cold turkey, only to burn right back out.

It wasn't a dogfighter, but it could defend itself.  Reading about the Aussies flying it alongside the 5th AF folks in the PTO has been interesting.  They had their own version of the Thach weave with the Beau's.  They were always down low and relied on their speed to get in and out.  That being said they did mix it up if they had to.

For me it would be an excuse to dive into the history too.  I already have for the last few months, reading everything I can find on the Beau.  I'd really only connected it to the night fighter versions, as I'd read Rawnsleys book on flying as John Cunningham's navigator on night fighter Beaus, and Bob Brahm's book on the same stuff.  There were other bits I'd read on the MTO attack Beaufighters but I didn't know much about the PTO or CBI use.  Absolutely fascinating stuff.

I think it would be a fun one to test the limits of and obviously the scenario use is off the charts.  I could probably find a few guys who'd fly low level intruders with Beaus too :) 

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on January 25, 2009, 02:42:57 AM
It wasn't a dogfighter, but it could defend itself.  Reading about the Aussies flying it alongside the 5th AF folks in the PTO has been interesting.  They had their own version of the Thach weave with the Beau's.  They were always down low and relied on their speed to get in and out.  That being said they did mix it up if they had to.


Dan, what book is that in ?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 25, 2009, 03:49:11 AM
Dan, what book is that in ?

William Mann, who was CO of 31 Squadron in 43 talks about the tactics for covering each other and clearing Japanese fighters in his book "Search and Destroy"

There are a number of combat reports quoted in Neville Parnell's book "Beaufighters in the Pacific" from 30 and 31 squadrons talking about combat with "Zekes' at Rabaul in the fall of 43.

An example.

Date 12/10/43
P/O J.M. McRobbie  30 Squadron

"When over Rapopo strip at a height of 300 feet, a large number of Zekes and one Nate were seen.  The majority of the Zekes were in threes and appeared to be all around our formation.  I was forced of Rapopo strip by 3 Zekes attacking from 11 O'clock.  Fired a burst at Nate from 6 o'clock but observed no results.   I then pulled up and fired a burst at a Zeke, stall turning on to leader.  He fell off in opposite direction--observer in leading aircraft says he was smoking.  Was attacked from 3 o'clock by a Zeke.  Turned into him and made for home.  Later attacked again from 3 o'clock.  Took some evasive action.  2 Zekes chased off our tail by rear gun. Flew down coast under 3 Zekes who did not see me.  Proceeded home Low on trees.  Method of breaking off engagement--turning into attacks, using full power low on water and getting over trees for use of camouflage.

I Zeke claimed as possibly destroyed.  Last seen diving towards ground smoking."


300 feet up in a swarm of Zekes and living to tell the story.  Amazing stuff.

Another interesting comment in the 177 Squadron history.  They flew VIs and TFX's.  Most pilots preferred the VI as it was faster then the TFX which had rocket rails and torpedo carrying gear.

Got another book in the mail today called "The Armed Rovers-Beaufighters and Beauforts over the Mediterranean" by Roy Nesbit.  Some great stuff on MTO Beaus.  It looks like the Malta Beaufighters were lugging 250 pound bombs in mid summer 42.  Also an interesting note that the VI had belt fed cannons while the earlier I and II had drum fed with 60 rounds per drum.  The Navigator was stuck with changing the drums out during combat.  Not an easy thing to do. 

I'm all for the VI and TFX now, with the VI being the attack bird with the 6 303s, 4 20s and provisions for 250 pounders, while the TFX is the heavy lifter with rocket rails, torp gear and more fuel but only the 4 20mms as it appears that was the common thing to do by leaving the wing guns out.  It appears the rear gun was often left off the VI which had more of a makeshift canopy, but the observer's canopy was modified for the rear gun in the TFX.

A few of the pilot and nav accounts say it was really left up to the crew whether they took the rear gun or not.  The 39 Squadron Nav in his book said he thought it was better to be able to direct the pilot if attacked from the rear and they left the gun off. 

Also interesting to note that the early Beau's with the straight tail plane for more maneuverable but less stable.  The dihedral tail plane gave the Beau more stability which was considered more important at the low alt that Beau ops were flown.

Gotta admit it's been great fun hunting Beau stuff :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on January 25, 2009, 04:52:18 AM
I had a discussion with a Beaufighter pilot at an airshow about 10-15 years ago, can't recall his name now but he flew maritime strike ops over the North Sea. One thing he said stuck in my mind, he reckoned the later Beaus were a bit nose heavy and this had to be trimmed out. Rear ballast was not fitted since the increased weight would have reduced the fuel or ord that could be carried.

Trouble was there was a lot of freezing fog over the North Sea and this could cause ice to form on the leading edges of the wings making it even more nose heavy. With the plane already trimmed to pull the nose up there was insufficient trim authority left to cope with the ice and the plane would just lose height until it hit the sea. His squadron lost a few planes this way until somebody figured out what was happening.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 25, 2009, 06:52:03 AM
Nose heavy can't really be bad in a dogfight..
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 25, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
Just give us the beaufighter HTC.  I don't care if it's the MkIFC, MkXXI, or MkX.

Dan I found that I could get Nevilles book.  Apparently he has a website that sells them.  Only 300 I believe were printed.

Price ~60 Australian.

BTW HTC does have the info to model the MkXXI.  Not the flight model yet...just the exterior.  Think only difference between X and XXI was autopilot bubble on nose.
OH!...one other difference the MkXXI could/did carry 4 X 50 cals instead of the 6X303s.

Hajo
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 25, 2009, 09:07:06 PM
Just give us the beaufighter HTC.  I don't care if it's the MkIFC, MkXXI, or MkX.

Dan I found that I could get Nevilles book.  Apparently he has a website that sells them.  Only 300 I believe were printed.

Price ~60 Australian.

BTW HTC does have the info to model the MkXXI.  Not the flight model yet...just the exterior.  Think only difference between X and XXI was autopilot bubble on nose.
OH!...one other difference the MkXXI could/did carry 4 X 50 cals instead of the 6X303s.

Hajo

The book is well worth it Hajo.  I got mine via Neville.  His work is fantastic on the Beau.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 25, 2009, 09:48:56 PM
Dan thanks.  I'll save my pennies.  I just received two more books.  I've got to save for the next one.

Hope he still has some available then.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 28, 2009, 12:07:28 AM
Just to keep the Beau in focus :)

TFX lugging a couple of 500 pounders
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TFX.jpg)

DAP 21
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DAP21.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 28, 2009, 12:20:01 AM
Did they never fit guns in its nose?  Not enough space?
nm.. theyre right there, on its underside.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xasthur on January 28, 2009, 07:25:00 AM
< This is one Prawn that will make it his business to see the Beaufighter gain a reputation as a capable dogfighter.  :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on January 28, 2009, 07:43:39 AM
definately worth adding,    :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on January 28, 2009, 09:28:46 AM
was chatting to snaphook the other day about the Beau, how do we think it would be like to fly compared to the A20?

A20G
16,000lb dry
3,200hp
330mph
1,700fpm
40lb/ft2 wingload

Beau TFX
15,500lb dry
3,200hp
320mph
1,600fpm
32lb/ft2 wingload
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 28, 2009, 12:11:01 PM
To keep the Beau in the eye of HTC here are some nice drawings and pictures from the Pilots Manual of the Beau II with Merlins.

(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/itsit.jpg)

(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/cockpit.jpg)

(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/PortSide.jpg)

(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/starboard.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on January 28, 2009, 02:20:22 PM
nice :aok

visibilty doesnt look great though :uhoh
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 28, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
nice :aok

visibilty doesnt look great though :uhoh
I think it will be a plane with a f3 option for sure.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 28, 2009, 08:50:13 PM
Was trying to figure out pilot's head position... Where's the gunsight?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on January 28, 2009, 10:05:30 PM
Anybody have an links to material on the Beaus service with night fighter squadrons during the blitz?

Specifically Im looking for kill tallys on specific German aircraft during night time hours. Thanx. Even better would be a inclusive record of Beau night time squadron Ops during the entire war in Europe.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 28, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Moot the pictures I posted of the Beaus Cockpit in the DFC forum shows the gunsight.

Richyo....Dan most assuredly would have the info you are looking for.

Also it would be a travesty to put an F3 view on the Beaufighter.  HTC will figure something out.

I will use the Beaufighter at lot.  It can have escorts you know...and it is greatly needed in our special events.

It is to important of an aircraft to to be omitted in a WWII flight sim. It saw service in every theater of the war.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 28, 2009, 11:08:50 PM
So the gunsight's just omitted on Fig.1. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 28, 2009, 11:53:14 PM
Anybody have an links to material on the Beaus service with night fighter squadrons during the blitz?

Specifically Im looking for kill tallys on specific German aircraft during night time hours. Thanx. Even better would be a inclusive record of Beau night time squadron Ops during the entire war in Europe.

Actually I don't have that info outside of the first radar assisted kill was November 1940 and the best night during the Blitz was in May 41 when they claimed 24 German bombers.  I don't see that the night fighter versions of the Beau would matter for AH at this point since there is no night fighting, and carrying a radar operator isn't likely :)

I'm only interested in the daytime attack/strike versions of the Beau, which is why I keep talking about the VI and TFX as they were the main daytime birds in the ETO, MTO, CBI and PTO.  The Merlin bird was not popular and not used in that daytime role.

Moot, the gunsight was on a movable pedestal so it could be pushed off to the side.  The image below of the VI/TFX cockpit shows it in the stowed position.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaupanal.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 29, 2009, 12:05:57 AM
Thanks Dan.  So Fig.1 looks like it's pointing down and is shot from pretty low, relative to what you would see sitting in the cockpit. The view out of the cockpit shouldn't be as bad as Fig.1 seems to show.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 29, 2009, 12:22:31 AM
Thanks Dan.  So Fig.1 looks like it's pointing down and is shot from pretty low, relative to what you would see sitting in the cockpit. The view out of the cockpit shouldn't be as bad as Fig.1 seems to show.

Not sure if this helps, but taken from behind the pilot.  There were armored doors that could be open or closed behind the pilot.  They sometimes took passengers who sat on the ammo bins behind the pilot and in front of the navigator/observer.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauPit.jpg)

And just for fun, an Aussie rocket carrying Mk X of 30 squadron in 1944.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RockBeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 29, 2009, 12:45:51 AM
So.. the pilot's shoulders are normaly somewhere just behind the canopy pillars where the lamps are attached.. looks like it'd have a great front ~270deg view from the AH cockpit!  It'd be cool if we got the observer position as the T34 got a pintle observer's view, too.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 29, 2009, 08:20:24 AM
Dan is as always, correct.  The MkII with Merlins did not see widespread action against the Lufwaffe.

When you see the T designation that model of the Beau was known as the Torbeau.  Torpedo carrying Beaufighter.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on January 29, 2009, 09:05:51 AM
I think the Beau will be an A-20 on steroids.

It will have (IMO) greater structural integrity and more control surface authority. The A-20 is much more of an E fighter then an angles fighter so the ability to carry great speed will enhance the Beau significantly I think. Since its a fighter it will not have an "F3" mode (fine by me since I dont use it in the A-20).
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on January 29, 2009, 10:48:01 AM
I assume since it had a navigator/observer that F3 would be enabled? My comment about visibility was more to do with all the canopy metalwork, certainly the front quarter look-down views should be great in AH. Pilot wounds might be a problem though - its glass from the waist up :uhoh
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 29, 2009, 11:21:06 AM
It'll be cool to have the gaps in the planeset start to really fill in.. One thing this would fill in on top of a historical gap is the fighter-bomber gap.  The A20 is on the edge of dogfight worthy bombers, and Attackers like the mossie and 110 are at the edge of heavy fighters.  It'll make a nice continuous spectrum.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 29, 2009, 11:41:45 AM
Holmes I don't thinkthe Beaufighter will have a worse view then the 109s or the 38s from the cockpit.

There are three large panels of glass the Pilot sits between.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on January 29, 2009, 11:57:40 AM
Holmes I don't think the Beaufighter will have a worse view then the 109s or the 38s from the cockpit.

exactly ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 29, 2009, 10:39:46 PM
And for tonite a nicely weathered Beaufighter flying out of Malta.  Those Beaus got around :)  Note the field mod bomb racks for carrying 250 pounders on this kite.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beau-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on January 29, 2009, 11:42:43 PM
And an old favorite.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TFmk10.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plawranc on January 30, 2009, 05:43:49 AM
410 should come first. Becuase it is sexier than the beuafighter

As if BRING IN THIS AUSSIE ICON!!!!!!!!!!!! then i might actually attack ground targets
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on January 30, 2009, 05:50:59 AM
fudgums how dare you!

Beau before luftwaffe junk anyday
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 30, 2009, 06:01:15 AM
I reckon HTC will add both the Beau and 410, because it would be such a kick bellybutton matchup.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 30, 2009, 11:59:07 AM
M00T I doubt he'll add the 410.  It was horrible, just an update on the 210, which almost got Messerschmitt Shot.

The 210 and 410 were so bad they had to continue makeing 110s, which they canceled at one point.

Now....if you talk the He219 I might listen! :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: hammer on January 30, 2009, 02:32:04 PM
M00T I doubt he'll add the 410.  It was horrible, just an update on the 210, which almost got Messerschmitt Shot.

The 210 and 410 were so bad they had to continue makeing 110s, which they canceled at one point.

Now....if you talk the He219 I might listen! :D

Most sources I've read and seen said the 410 corrected most, if not all, of the 210s problems and it was successful as a bomber destroyer. Unfortunately for the 410, escorts were able to stay with the bombers all the way by then and the 410s were no match for escorting fighters. I just don't remember much about it's use as an attack plane, although it was certainly capable of the job. Allied air superiority by that time probably severly limited its ability to execute that, or any other, mission.

Regards,

Hammer

P.S. The 219 would be fun, too!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 30, 2009, 07:52:45 PM
Hajo, like hammer said.. It looks to me like the 410 was nearly just the right plane at nearly too late a time and pretty much the wrong place.  It could carry a ton of stuff. E.G. 6x 20mm in the nose (there was a one-off 8x20 field mod, deemed "excessive"; "watering can" was the term), or a 50mm BK5. Look at the specs for the MK103 cannon, compared to pretty much anything in the game.  That gun makes the Yak9T look like a steam powered tin can shooter. There's two of those, standard, in the 410 nose, which itself has a nice glass section near the pilot's feet; a deflection shooter's dream come true :D.  It has comparable overall specs to the 110, which was supposed to be (on paper) pretty much inept at dogfighting, especialy if you added WWII anecdotic impressions.. and we know how that turned out. The specs also compare pretty well to the P38. 

IOW, it's as likely as the 110 and Beau to do pretty well in the game, given how we flog them.  It's not guaranteed, but the precedent for planes with this kind of paper dogfighting specs is pretty good: 110, P38, Mossie.. Even the A20 does as well as it does despite it being nothing of a dogfighter on paper.

:)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on January 31, 2009, 01:04:59 AM
I understood that the 410 was just a name change to get away from the stigma of the 210.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xasthur on January 31, 2009, 01:14:18 AM
Significant changes were made to the 210 to get the 410.

The 210 was a death-trap. The 410 was less of a death trap, for example.  :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 31, 2009, 03:51:22 AM
Anybody have an links to material on the Beaus service with night fighter squadrons during the blitz?

Specifically Im looking for kill tallys on specific German aircraft during night time hours. Thanx. Even better would be a inclusive record of Beau night time squadron Ops during the entire war in Europe.
Close as I can get you. Click on them a few times to blow them up larger.
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4941/scan111ut9.th.jpg) (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan111ut9.jpg)
(http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3264/scan112hm3.th.jpg) (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan112hm3.jpg)
(http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/884/scan113sk1.th.jpg) (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan113sk1.jpg)
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8017/scan114ml1.th.jpg) (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan114ml1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on January 31, 2009, 08:11:23 AM
Thank you. It was as I thought. The Beau was heavily involved in the war and had many kills. If we only had an hour of night at a time in the arenas the Beau would sparkle. There were some night fighter squadrons that flew Beaus for a time and I wanted to know what kind of service, under what conditions, they gave, "including some famous Aussie squadrons".

My guess is we'd get the Mark-V. It would be the best all around version for the game I think.


Close as I can get you. Click on them a few times to blow them up larger.
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4941/scan111ut9.th.jpg) (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan111ut9.jpg)
(http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3264/scan112hm3.th.jpg) (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan112hm3.jpg)
(http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/884/scan113sk1.th.jpg) (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan113sk1.jpg)
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8017/scan114ml1.th.jpg) (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan114ml1.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on January 31, 2009, 10:47:52 PM
M00T...the only major change to the 410 was more horse power.  Minor changes were made to the airframe.

As I said...110 Production was canceled.....but was reinstated due to the poor performance of the 210 and 410.

Now.....if that isn't proof the LW didn't like them...I don't know what is.  ;)

Willy was almost forced to resign his post because of the debacle.

The problem with the LW was they tried to make all their aircraft a jack of all trades. They were succesful in a very few.

Again...if you want a LW twin engined fighter ask for the He 219....it was a succesful fighter.

The 219 was more heavily armed then the 410, it was faster, and more maneuverable from all accounts.

It was a Mossie on steroids.



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on January 31, 2009, 11:43:21 PM
Started a new thread to avoid derailing.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 02, 2009, 04:13:15 AM
Yes, lets get back to Beaufighters causing all kinds of trouble on the deck or near the deck anyway :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/455Beaus.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on February 02, 2009, 04:38:59 AM
What a great pic.. :)  The round ripples in the water are debris from explosions, or 20mm bursts on the water surface, or... ?  And what's the trail of smoke down the middle? 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 02, 2009, 04:42:05 AM
looks like exploding ords
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on February 02, 2009, 07:39:51 AM
Great photo :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: thrila on February 02, 2009, 08:51:36 AM
beaufighter FTW

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=auHYZrNK9wk (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=auHYZrNK9wk)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 02, 2009, 08:28:32 PM
and another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wKClVCCtwU&feature=related
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 02, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
The more I read the more interesting it gets.  Amazing bunch those Beau crews.

Just clarifying it for myself as I type.

VIF was the fighter version of the VI.  It had the 4 20mms and 6 303s and could carry bombs.
VIC was the strike version of the VI and it didn't have the 303s but fuel added instead and could carry rockets or bombs

TFX was the torp carrying version although the X also could carry bombs or rockets.  It generally did not have the 303s but carried extra fuel.  They carried one weapon at a time as in a RockBeau would have the 8 rocket rails, a TorBeau would carry the torpedo, or the X could carry a pair of 500 pounders.  All of this was along with the standard 4 20mm cannons.

Generally the fighter versions of the Beau didn't carry the dorsal 'scare' gun for the observer.  It was standard on the strike versions of the Beau.  That's not to say you can't find photos of observer mgs on VIs or no observer mg on an X but on the whole that's about how it appears to have been set up.

Nice image of a "RockBeau" 
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RockBeau1.jpg)

And a nice one of a "TorBeau"
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TorBeau1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: CAVPFCDD on February 03, 2009, 04:21:18 PM
dang it guys all these pictures and videos are really getting my hopes up for this plane, CUT IT OUT!  :cry
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on February 03, 2009, 06:06:03 PM
wow???

So you can get the 4 x 20mm without the peashooters..... :O

Me want NOW :rock :D :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on February 03, 2009, 07:11:30 PM
dang it guys all these pictures and videos are really getting my hopes up for this plane, CUT IT OUT!  :cry


I'd really like to see it too. First off it really belongs here. The plane was flown by many air forces in its service life and has a fascinating history.

I just wish we got some night time flying in, at least in one arena. A lot happened at night in WW-ll and it would be a good thing for the game to reflect that. We already have a fair amount of night active planes and the Beau would be a great addition.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 04, 2009, 10:02:01 AM
Bump..... it up with some colour. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=4534&cat=549
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=4535&cat=549
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=4566&cat=549
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=4596&cat=549
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=4616&cat=549
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jocko- on February 04, 2009, 10:27:21 AM
 :aok +1

Ah, the Beaufighter... two engines followed closely by an airplane...  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on February 04, 2009, 11:16:09 AM
two engines followed closely by an airplane...  :D

 :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 07, 2009, 01:26:42 AM
:aok +1

Ah, the Beaufighter... two engines followed closely by an airplane...  :D

Funny that you mention that :)

A wartime cartoon
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BaueToon.jpg)


Nice recent book on 417 NFS USAAF that I found.  "Beaufighters in the Night-417 Night Fighter Squadron" by Braxton Eisel.  They flew Beaus in the MTO from 43 until the end of the war.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/800px-Bristol_Beaufighter_Mk_VIf_06.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on February 07, 2009, 08:54:15 AM
hmm the Beau and He111 would be a nice matched set to add :)


edit: in that last pic of "Fluff", the rh engine appears to be called Andy :huh
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 08, 2009, 12:25:44 AM
And of course, why I really like the Beau, is you can break them and walk away :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BentBeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 08, 2009, 11:03:09 PM
hmm the Beau and He111 would be a nice matched set to add :)


edit: in that last pic of "Fluff", the rh engine appears to be called Andy :huh

the left one is Amos
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 10, 2009, 11:01:36 AM
Just watched a film of Ju88s attacking a Convoy until....  History Channel.........two Beaufighters appeared.  the Ju88s made an exit stage left.  They didn't wish to tango with the Beaus.

One Ju88 appeared to be trailing fuel after a small encounter with one of the Beaus.  Good stuff.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LLogann on February 10, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
A Buffalo, a Beau and the 111.....................  WOW, that would be a GREAT update!

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 11, 2009, 10:41:03 PM
Just because

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beau-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on February 12, 2009, 03:34:54 AM
Beautiful.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on February 12, 2009, 08:47:25 AM
It looks like the 20mm are removed on that one??
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on February 12, 2009, 09:55:56 AM
More likely the gun ports had fabric doped over them to reduce drag until the guns were fired.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on February 12, 2009, 11:31:01 AM
Thanks, that makes sense...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 14, 2009, 12:45:23 AM
A nice Aussie DAP Mk 21 Beau
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DAP21-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 14, 2009, 12:09:50 PM
A little DAP will do you. :aok
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on February 14, 2009, 07:18:39 PM
Nice pics. It was a menacing looking bugger wasnt it? So ugly it was beautiful. Just imagine being some poor Jap on a freighter and seeing about 6 of these things screaming in on you?

Computer graphics is getting to the point where we should be seeing even greater flight scenes in war movies. I'd love to see the Beau starring in a few of them. I was watching Letters from Iwo the other night and the corsair scenes looked pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 14, 2009, 07:40:58 PM
Until then do with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUdbzQCm_Y
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RipChord929 on February 14, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
Watched that latest "MUMMY" movie the other day..
Had a BeauFighter in it.. Thought that was interesting...

Except for torp carrying, I don't think it would be much
better than an A20G.. Just won't carry an equal payload..

In the MA's it would be easy meat for the 5in gunners
when trying to drop torps.. And ya only get 1 plane...

A20G's greatest feature is the 8x500lber bombload..
Makes it a heavy hitter.. Rockets just ain't the same...

But, the cannons would make it far superior to the
EW Boston.. It would also be great for scenarios..

Don't get me wrong, I love the plane... VERY COOL!!
But I'd never swap an A20 for it... NO WAY!!!

Hope we get it anyway, always liked'em...

RC
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 15, 2009, 12:59:40 AM
I saw the tailer for the MUMMY with the beau in it.. So I insisted on going to see the movie, just to see the plane. Interesting.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 15, 2009, 09:40:06 AM
The DAP MkXXI had 50 cals in place of the 303s.  Devastating firpower.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SmokinLoon on February 15, 2009, 10:35:14 AM
Comparing the "Bo" to the A20 is like comparing a Corvette to a Chevelle, they are two very different beast.

The Beaufighter should be compared to the Mossie, Bf110, or even a hvy Jug.  But NOT the A20.

The A20 could be compared to the Boston, Ju-88, B25H, etc.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 15, 2009, 10:57:19 AM
Watched that latest "MUMMY" movie the other day..
Had a BeauFighter in it.. Thought that was interesting...

Except for torp carrying, I don't think it would be much
better than an A20G.. Just won't carry an equal payload..

In the MA's it would be easy meat for the 5in gunners
when trying to drop torps.. And ya only get 1 plane...

A20G's greatest feature is the 8x500lber bombload..
Makes it a heavy hitter.. Rockets just ain't the same...

But, the cannons would make it far superior to the
EW Boston.. It would also be great for scenarios..

Don't get me wrong, I love the plane... VERY COOL!!
But I'd never swap an A20 for it... NO WAY!!!

Hope we get it anyway, always liked'em...

RC
If they ever give us Ord perk selection your A20/Boston would have rockets & torpedo's they did carry both. Plus in this game a lot of the vehicles tend to get used in many other rolls that they never did in real life. So the Beau will have its place.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on February 15, 2009, 12:26:08 PM
Comparing the "Bo" to the A20 is like comparing a Corvette to a Chevelle, they are two very different beast.

The Beaufighter should be compared to the Mossie, Bf110, or even a hvy Jug.  But NOT the A20.

The A20 could be compared to the Boston, Ju-88, B25H, etc.

The big difference is the ability to carry speed, the A-20 is very capable vs all the above in a dogfight with the exception of both total E and control surface authority/stress at speeds above 350 or so. The Beau will be a vast improvement on the A-20 in that regard...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on February 15, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
We dont use attack planes like we should in AH. When I first joined many of the Rook squads would fly Mossies, or A-20s, heavy into targets and they were very effective when used in squadron strength. I began to see why Brit/Aussie attack formations did so well in WW-ll when they flew using such tactics. Airplanes like the Mossie and Beau not only had the punch but also the maneuverability to support each other when enemies attacked them. And best of all? They had the range to make strikes in the vast pacific, or even into Europe and the sea lanes when Britain stood alone.

Against the Japs they almost always had surprise because the Japanese high command went to war without good radar. But even in the game you see the bloodlines that made these 2 engined attackers so worthwhile. They should be flown more and its unfortunate more and more this has become a furball/fighter game.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 17, 2009, 07:16:28 PM
Well.......when the Beau arrives I will be parking the Jug for awhile.

I have an idea.  We in Aces High form a Beaufighter Squadron.  Players from all sides welcomed.

We get together on specified nights and search and destroy.  Don't drop from your regular squadron

just get the Beaus together.  To repeat a cliche.....it would be AWESOME.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 17, 2009, 09:15:29 PM
beaus in numbers
capital idea Gomez
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 17, 2009, 09:21:29 PM
Well.......when the Beau arrives I will be parking the Jug for awhile.

I have an idea.  We in Aces High form a Beaufighter Squadron.  Players from all sides welcomed.

We get together on specified nights and search and destroy.  Don't drop from your regular squadron

just get the Beaus together.  To repeat a cliche.....it would be AWESOME.


Picke Me !
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 17, 2009, 11:17:16 PM
Well.......when the Beau arrives I will be parking the Jug for awhile.

I have an idea.  We in Aces High form a Beaufighter Squadron.  Players from all sides welcomed.

We get together on specified nights and search and destroy.  Don't drop from your regular squadron

just get the Beaus together.  To repeat a cliche.....it would be AWESOME.

Great minds think alike. :)

Already have the name.  B.O.S.S.  "Beaufighter Operators Support Services"



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on February 17, 2009, 11:28:03 PM
Great minds think alike. :)
Already have the name.  B.O.S.S.  "Beaufighter Operators Support Services"

I want in on that  :aok

Thanks Hajo, Dan, and all you other guys that put time into research to get the Beau added. Can't wait for it!

For you guys that don't know, These guys have been working on gathering information for months and months.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SmokinLoon on February 17, 2009, 11:59:06 PM
If these older brothers to the Mossies are added, I sure hope HTC adds the exhaust shrouds to help make them uber for night fighting.   :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xasthur on February 18, 2009, 12:21:53 AM
Well.......when the Beau arrives I will be parking the Jug for awhile.

I have an idea.  We in Aces High form a Beaufighter Squadron.  Players from all sides welcomed.

We get together on specified nights and search and destroy.  Don't drop from your regular squadron

just get the Beaus together.  To repeat a cliche.....it would be AWESOME.

Definitely in on this.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on February 18, 2009, 01:10:35 AM
The Beaufighter was named so because it shared many parts from the Beaufort bomber, if I recall. I wonder if we could get both at the same time? We're sorely (SORELY) lacking in the early bomber department.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 18, 2009, 02:08:30 AM
Beaufort would be a great plane to have, gave sterling service throughout the war, but I"ll settle for the beauFighter first.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 18, 2009, 07:02:49 AM
Beaufort would be a great plane to have, gave sterling service throughout the war,
Beaufreighters after that?  :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 18, 2009, 09:49:48 AM
Krusty....and all who want the Beaufort.

We want the Beaufort?  Ok let us start doing the research.  While researching the Beaufighter from the manufacturing end I learned a lot about the Bristol Car Company.

Yes....that was the name of the Company before they made aircraft.

Here is what we need.

Drawings.  Prints so to speak.  Inquiries should be made to the Research Dept. of the NASM.

They were very helpful to me on the Beaufighter.  When making an inquiry for information you must specify what the info will be used for.  I plainly told them it would
be used for modeling the aircraft correctly for Aces High.  Monetary gain from the information received from them is frowned upon.  In some instances a release may
need signed stipulating your usage of the information.

Secondly Photos.  Cockpit etc.  And stats......including a Pilots Manual.  Everything must be factual with an unimpeachable source of information.

Anyone ready?  I'll jump in if needed.

But first things first.  Let's make sure the Beau is here.  Let's keep this topic alive in this forum.  HTC monitors these forums and does read what the community writes and wants.

I will sleep much better when I see an aircraft, a true war winning aircraft that were valiantly piloted during WWII by men from many nations.

It has its' place here.  I can't believe we haven't pushed for the Beaufighter with this vigor earlier in Aces High
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 18, 2009, 10:05:51 AM
Can see it now in Aces High with a parody of Blazing Saddles thrown in.

B.O.S.S. gathers for their first mission.  Maximum altitude will be 5K...as it will be in all Beau Missions.

We scan the Map.  We see two huge red darbars at A??.  Bish/Rooks/Knits hording.

Dan (as Hedley Lamar)  says....well.....what do you think we should do?

Hajo (as Slim Pickins raises hand jumps up and down)  I know! I know! we'll give them the number 6!!

Dan (again as Hedley Lamar)  What's a number 6?????


Hajo (again as Slim Pickins)  that's where we ride into town, a whoop'in and a holler'in, Shootin' etc.

Dam.....this will really make Aces High fun again.  :pray
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 18, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
You meant 500 feet not 5K right Hajo? :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nipper on February 18, 2009, 12:21:55 PM
Also recruiting, B.L.A.S.T.

(Beaufighter Lovers Against Score Tards)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 18, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
500 feet even better <hajo smacks forehead>
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 18, 2009, 06:55:10 PM
http://www.thescale.info/news/publish/dap-beaufighter.shtml
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 18, 2009, 08:14:03 PM
Thanks Lyric great photos!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 19, 2009, 12:27:52 AM
I'm inspired now Hajo :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BOSSPatch.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 19, 2009, 12:33:40 AM
Dan thanks!  I've saved it.   :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on February 19, 2009, 07:05:48 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on February 19, 2009, 07:46:28 AM
i'm in on BOSS,   My guys would love it too.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 19, 2009, 09:38:19 AM
Bruv  put the BOSS patch in your signature !
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 19, 2009, 02:45:24 PM
I support the addition of the Beau.  I'd probably prefer flying top cover for it in a Mossie VI to actually flying it though.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 20, 2009, 01:35:51 AM
Here's how I see it Hajo, for the first BOSS get together.  And I'd like to think it's proof that I've come to see the light now that I've put the joystick away for awhile.

We get everyone loaded up and out on the runway for take off.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/lineup.jpg)

After we get up, it's low alt NOE all the way.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Lowalt.jpg)

I'm sure we'll have to deal with flak while we hunt shipping, but so be it.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Flak-3.jpg)

Cause we'll gang em with our horde of Beaus!
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/gangem.jpg)

And then if we're lucky we can fly back and crash land in true BOSS fashion :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/endflight.jpg)

All photos of Beaus in action from the Dalachy Strike Wing btw.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 20, 2009, 03:20:36 AM
I can hear it now PERK the Beau. :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 20, 2009, 03:46:49 AM
UB = 455 sqdn RAAF. Cool pics. not that Im bias or anything.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 20, 2009, 07:45:36 AM
Posted this before in other threads may as well bung it in here.
http://www.aarg.com.au/Beaufighter.htm Also they have added a virtual tour since I last looked check out the cockpit. http://www.aarg.com.au/ipix_images/VirtualTour13.htm This bad boy will have to get the F3 mode nothing for a pilot to see behind him based off the virtual tour.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on February 20, 2009, 07:56:51 AM
IN!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on February 20, 2009, 08:06:54 AM
:D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on February 20, 2009, 09:58:30 AM
Not another LW Hanger queen. :rolleyes: I'll park her up next to the B-25. But I'm sure the 11 people flying in EW will have a blast. :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on February 20, 2009, 10:19:08 AM
Not another LW Hanger queen. :rolleyes: I'll park her up next to the B-25. But I'm sure the 11 people flying in EW will have a blast. :aok

kaz there are plenty of guys flying around in b25's defending bases against gv's and cv attacks when ords are porked,  The beau will give the british and aussies a torpedo carrier and something that flies and shoots similiar to a mossie.  I for one would like to see how the turning performance will compare with the mossie.

you get out of the wrong side of bed this am?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on February 20, 2009, 10:25:46 AM
Nice pictures  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on February 20, 2009, 11:20:52 AM
for some reason I cant get the patch to load on my sig line?....obviously I'm technically challenged here...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on February 20, 2009, 12:33:52 PM
[img]http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/BOSSPatch-11.gif[/img]
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on February 20, 2009, 02:28:36 PM
for some reason I cant get the patch to load on my sig line?....obviously I'm technically challenged here...

What Moot said.  Don't forget the option to enable attaching it to your signature for every post too.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 20, 2009, 03:32:10 PM
Not another LW Hanger queen. :rolleyes: I'll park her up next to the B-25. But I'm sure the 11 people flying in EW will have a blast. :aok
I doubt it will be a hanger queen. Although with AHII in its current format it couldn't be used to it's full potential with the 5" inch guns on cv's they would just get cut down. I would see it becoming a new town killer certainly a new vulch & HO monster & like a number of other vehicles in the game it most likely will be used for things in the game that it never would have done it's day. Also this plane would cover all arenas if we were to get a few variants, in the early war arena it would almost be a perked plane with 10 guns mounted on the front of it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on February 20, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
thanks moot
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 20, 2009, 06:08:54 PM
Dan    great pictures.

And I do intend to fly only the Beau if we are lucky enough to get it.  The Jug will be parked for awhile.
I love the thought of busting a horde that is vulching.  I want to actually attack a CV group with a group of Beaus and see what can be done with them in game.

Score?  Who cares?  In my case I just want to hunt and fight with it.  Learn how to use it properly.
Learn its' vices and attributes.  I want to get down and dirty.  I want to go into a horded base with BOSS and shoot the vermin.

But most of all......I just wish to have fun again!

So it will be Score 0   Fun 10........... in the bottom of the fifth.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on February 20, 2009, 07:09:11 PM
So where do I sign up? :)


Don't know if it will ever replace my P-38 entirely but I already flying the A-20 and B-25's in MW, and generally have a soft spot for low level attack aircraft.  I can't wait to see what this thing can do when and if it gets added.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 20, 2009, 10:51:01 PM
Gents

It's basically wishful thinking on the Beau.  HTC has the info.  Adding it to our inventory is at their discretion.

But as Always.....I'm opti.....opta......hopeful  :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Widewing on February 20, 2009, 11:22:12 PM
Dan,

When you scan in photos from books, there is a nifty piece of freeware that will clean them up. It'll remove the lines and graininess from scans. It's called Noiseware Standalone Edition. Get it here: http://www.imagenomic.com/download_nwsa.aspx (http://www.imagenomic.com/download_nwsa.aspx)


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 21, 2009, 01:16:09 AM
Dan,

When you scan in photos from books, there is a nifty piece of freeware that will clean them up. It'll remove the lines and graininess from scans. It's called Noiseware Standalone Edition. Get it here: http://www.imagenomic.com/download_nwsa.aspx (http://www.imagenomic.com/download_nwsa.aspx)


My regards,

Widewing

Thanks Widewing :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 21, 2009, 01:21:59 AM
Gents

It's basically wishful thinking on the Beau.  HTC has the info.  Adding it to our inventory is at their discretion.

But as Always.....I'm opti.....opta......hopeful  :lol

What Hajo said.  One of the nice things about having stepped away from the game for a bit is I've put the time into learning more about the Beau.  I'm hoping we get it someday to give me a reason to dive back in with a fresh outlook and a different history perspective.  The game has always been best for me when I've got the history to go with the bird I choose to fly.

Right now I'm Beaufighter goofy :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 21, 2009, 01:53:35 AM
Just cause it looks cool.

February 45, Balkan Air Force Beaus of 19 Squadron went in to support Yugoslavian partisans attacking a German strong hold in Zuzemberk.  One of the Beau pilots wanted to get a photo of another Beau firing it's rockets.  He pulled in below and behind the lead Beau and while getting pelted by spent cannons shells from the lead Beau that dented his wings, he took a series of shots with the strike camera in the nose of his Beau.

This was one of the resulting shots.  Kinda dramatic don't ya think? :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beauattack.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Delirium on February 21, 2009, 02:05:50 AM
Kinda dramatic don't ya think? :)

Not to hijack this thread, but if that picture was taken today in Afghanistan it would be blown out of proportion and considered a war crime.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on February 21, 2009, 02:30:38 AM
New wallpaper :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Banzzai on February 21, 2009, 03:03:57 AM
here's a website i found awhile back for F.O Edwin Burrowes D.F.C 
he flew with 489 Sqn. during ww2

among other things the pilots manual for the Beau & his logbook are posted


a good read
http://www.burrowes.org/FamilyTree/E.F.G.Burrowes_LogBook/index.html (http://www.burrowes.org/FamilyTree/E.F.G.Burrowes_LogBook/index.html)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on February 21, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
Dan this is just another 4 cannon bird wish.... :P
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: CAVPFCDD on February 21, 2009, 04:45:40 PM
Not to hijack this thread, but if that picture was taken today in Afghanistan it would be blown out of proportion and considered a war crime.

youre comparing apples to oranges my friend...that picture was taken during a world war

and we do bomb buildings in urban environments, are aim is alot better these days with lazers and what have you

now back on topic, that picture is AMAZING, very cool!  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on February 21, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
Anti-Shipping Beaufighter ops of 404 Squadron, RCAF:

http://www.404squadron.com/

Nightfighter Beaufighter (later Mossie) ops of 409 Squadron, RCAF:

http://www.manitobamilitaryaviationmuseum.com/PDF/409squadron.pdf

Some Nightfighter Beaufighter ops (but mostly Mossie) of of 410 Squadron:

http://www.manitobamilitaryaviationmuseum.com/PDF/410squadron.pdf


I also posted in the other thread, but it's worth posting again.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx  Click on Search Now as a guest, Enter "Beaufighter" into the keywords field, click search. Click on "view digitised images first". Lots and lots of scans of original doccos there.

Do the same process for "455 Squadron" and you can find the original Operations Record Book.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on February 22, 2009, 03:35:16 AM
youre comparing apples to oranges my friend...that picture was taken during a world war

and we do bomb buildings in urban environments, are aim is alot better these days with lazers and what have you

now back on topic, that picture is AMAZING, very cool!  :aok
He said it was an apples to oranges comparison.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on February 22, 2009, 05:27:04 AM
If you go to

www.awm.gov.au

andl click on search the collections, input Beaufighter, you'll get 1300-odd hits, 1200 or so of which are photographs related to the Beau.

In action shots, posed shots, from the cockpit shots, crews, noseart, aircraft markings, the works.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 23, 2009, 09:33:17 PM
The Italian liner turned block ship "Rex" under attack by 8 Beaufighters of 252 squadron at Treiste.  59 rockets and 4000 cannon rounds later it rolled over.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Rex.jpg)

The 8 crews of 252 Squadron that did the deed.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RexKillers.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 23, 2009, 11:49:28 PM
If you go to

www.awm.gov.au

andl click on search the collections, input Beaufighter, you'll get 1300-odd hits, 1200 or so of which are photographs related to the Beau.

In action shots, posed shots, from the cockpit shots, crews, noseart, aircraft markings, the works.

The trigger for my Beau interest is J.R. Newman, who was the brother of a Spitfire XII pilot Barney Newman.  Barney was killed flying a Spit 8 with 79 squadron RAAF in August 45.  His brother J.R. Newman was shot down in a 30 Squadron Beaufighter and had to ditch in September 43.  He, his Nav and an Army observer got into the raft and drifted for 2 days.  The raft was found beached, but they were never recovered.  It's probable they were killed as POWs on Rabaul.  The only photo I've seen of J.R. Newman is on the Australian War Memorial site you posted. He's standing next to a 30 squadron Beau. It is a great spot for Beau images and info.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Delirium on February 23, 2009, 11:57:01 PM
Barney was killed flying a Spit 8 with 79 squadron RAAF in August 45. 

1945? I didn't know they were still using Spit8s that late in the war.

edit: I didn't read RAAF, I know they were used in Pac late and in the CBI until 1949 or so.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Delirium on February 24, 2009, 12:02:42 AM
Check this out... someone quoted a well known Spit8 historian.

http://brew.clients.ch/MB829-863.htm

I wonder when that well known historian will write his book, or at least visit the rest of us bozos in AH.  :devil
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 24, 2009, 12:17:37 AM
Check this out... someone quoted a well known Spit8 historian.

http://brew.clients.ch/MB829-863.htm

I wonder when that well known historian will write his book, or at least visit the rest of us bozos in AH.  :devil

Steve Brew is writing the book.  He just has lots of my stuff :)

The Spit XII was gone by September 44.  Spit VIII went to the end.  Terry Spencer, who got the last Spit XII kill in September 44, just passed away a couple weeks ago.  The last Spit XII kill being "Bully" Lang, a 173 kill 190 Ace.

But I digress.

The Beau pilots of BOSS before their first flight :)
Actually 30 Squadron RAAF Beau crews in 44 in the Pacific.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Preflight.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plawranc on February 24, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
Bring in the Beaufighter  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 24, 2009, 07:42:19 AM
The Italian liner turned block ship "Rex" under attack by 8 Beaufighters of 252 squadron at Treiste.  59 rockets and 4000 cannon rounds later it rolled over.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Rex.jpg)

The 8 crews of 252 Squadron that did the deed.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RexKillers.jpg)
You know I thought it was always BS when 110's strafed down a carrier in the game I might have to reconsider it based off those pictures.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 24, 2009, 08:01:40 AM
Well I just got a flight manual for the DAP MK-21 Beaufighter it's 48 pages long sadly it is encrypted to hell & will only let me print 10 pages & the first 10 are about useless. So if the DAP MK- 21 is ever to be added I will gladly mail off this CD for AHII.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on February 24, 2009, 08:44:36 AM
Encrypted?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 24, 2009, 09:56:51 AM
Encrypted?
Yeah pass word to activate it each time you want to view it. Limited number of pages that can printed as well as no ability to forward cut paste & so on. One thing I did not know that it carried a drop tank.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on February 24, 2009, 07:54:52 PM
Can't take screenies?

There might be a manual in the www.naa.gov.au files.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 24, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
Yeah pass word to activate it each time you want to view it. Limited number of pages that can printed as well as no ability to forward cut paste & so on. One thing I did not know that it carried a drop tank.

DAP MK 21 was essentially a License built Mk X.  A nice image of an X with rockets and a DT
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauDT.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fianna on February 25, 2009, 01:35:16 AM
I understand it would be used in scenarios, but don't we need other planes more? An early war German bomber is needed. The Japanese and Russian planesets need to be filled out.

I agree that the Beaufighter should be available in AH, just not before other planes. Right now we have planes that are very similar to it like the mossie, A20, B25 and Boston.


In my mind, substituting a B25 or A20 for a Beaufighter is more acceptable than subbing an A6M5 in place of a Ki43 or JU88 for a HE 111.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 25, 2009, 02:18:04 AM
Fianna we've run many scenarios without the Beaufighter unfortunately.

The Beaufighter fought in all theaters of WWII.  That is why many of us have been asking for the Beau.

Japanese and Russian aircraft did not fly in all theaters of the War.  Neither did the LW for that matter.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 25, 2009, 03:17:32 AM
In my mind, substituting a B25 or A20 for a Beaufighter is more acceptable than subbing an A6M5 in place of a Ki43 or JU88 for a HE 111.

Ju88 has never been subbed in for an He111.  They served side by side.  Yes, the He111 would be nice, but it is just another early war German bomber, like the Ju88.

Well, maybe Battle of France scenarios.  Those are rare though due to significant numbers of missing airframes for it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Delirium on February 25, 2009, 03:27:41 AM
Ju88 has never been subbed in for an He111. 

So the Battle of Brit scenarios are ok with just the Ju88? Even tho the Ju88s don't allow intercepting fighters more than one pass on it before they fall hopelessly behind? It is subbing for the He111 and the Do17, the BoB wasn't flown with just Ju88s. I am sure some of the He111/Do17 KG Gruppen represented in our scenarios were flying Ju88s historically.

That said, add the Beau, the more the merrier. Everything will be added eventually...

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 25, 2009, 04:16:52 AM
That isn't subbing.  Subbing means using an inappropriate unit to represent appropriate units that we don't have.  That is simply having holes in the BoB set.  The He111 will not be significantly easier to catch than the Ju88 as it is only slightly slower.  That problem is caused by bombers flying at full throttle whereas in reality they had to use cruise settings.


Yes, having the He111 and Do17 would make it better, but you can't pretend that adding the He111 is adding something that the German set doesn't already have, an early war bomber.  It does have one.


As to poor fitting subs, I remember the Typhoon being subbed for the Beaufighter in a Mediterranean scenario.  That was a mess.  Now it would be the Mosquito, but even that would overperform by a long shot.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Delirium on February 25, 2009, 04:22:19 AM
The He111 will not be significantly easier to catch than the Ju88 as it is only slightly slower. 

A few miles per hour can make a huge difference, more so when the speed is close to what the fighters operate at.

That problem is caused by bombers flying at full throttle whereas in reality they had to use cruise settings.

No argument there, but it is impossible to enforce a speed limit on anyone in a scenario.

That said, I'd love to argue with you further but we need our own thread so we don't muck up the Beau thread.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 25, 2009, 07:02:47 AM
Can't take screenies?

There might be a manual in the www.naa.gov.au files.
No to screenies.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 25, 2009, 07:12:51 AM
DAP MK 21 was essentially a License built Mk X.  A nice image of an X with rockets and a DT
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauDT.jpg)
First picture I have seen of a Beau drop tank Thank you for that. Also per the manual no torpedo listed for the MK-21 yet I know I have read that it did carry torps in other articles? Also the they could use a third internal fuel tank if they took the 50 Cal's out of the wings. For the observer the rear bottom part of the plane just behind the bubble canopy was an escape hatch. I always wondered how they got out.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 25, 2009, 10:18:18 AM
First picture I have seen of a Beau drop tank Thank you for that. Also per the manual no torpedo listed for the MK-21 yet I know I have read that it did carry torps in other articles? Also the they could use a third internal fuel tank if they took the 50 Cal's out of the wings. For the observer the rear bottom part of the plane just behind the bubble canopy was an escape hatch. I always wondered how they got out.

Lyric,

my info shows that the torpedo capability was deleted from the 21, i've never seen any reference to it, but I'll keep looking.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 25, 2009, 02:02:26 PM
Talk about hard on Axis shipping.  I also have a picture from the cokpit of a Beau launching Rockets at a Sub.


                                      (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/isittwo.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: VansCrew1 on February 25, 2009, 03:28:20 PM
 :aok :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fianna on February 25, 2009, 05:36:39 PM
I don't see the reason for adding it before other planes. I think other planes would be used more... both in scenarios and in the MA. Did it serve in every theater? Ya, it did, but so did the PBY Catalina (and there have got to be others). Being able to fill a void is, at least in my opinion, more important than serving in all theaters.


What would it really be used for? Low level attacks on shipping seems to be the most common response after reading this thread. This leads to the question of who is going to attack ships at low level?

In the MA's it's suicide unless the CV is undefended or you're fighting the barges. If someone wants to hunt down and attack derelict CV groups or AI controlled barges, I guess that's fine, I just see the population of players wanting to do that as very small. I guess it would be useful to take down towns in the EW arena.

In scenarios (granted, I haven't flown in a lot of scenarios), I don't see it getting much use either. Will it get 6 pilots per frame? 8? What convoys is it going to attack? Will it be used to attack CV groups? Will it attack ground targets? It's not going to be used as a nightfighter. Is it expected to survive when doing just over 300 mph on the deck?




I'm not saying not to add it, it definitely should be added. I just don't see why we need another twin-engined (early war) allied attack aircraft more than other planes. I still think German bombers, and Japanese and Russian planes of all types should be given priority until we have a more well-rounded selection of planes in the hangar.



Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SKYGUNS on February 25, 2009, 10:23:04 PM
i think AH found a new plane on there list, many people seem to like it. I know i do
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 25, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
I don't see the reason for adding it before other planes. I think other planes would be used more... both in scenarios and in the MA. Did it serve in every theater? Ya, it did, but so did the PBY Catalina (and there have got to be others). Being able to fill a void is, at least in my opinion, more important than serving in all theaters.


What would it really be used for? Low level attacks on shipping seems to be the most common response after reading this thread. This leads to the question of who is going to attack ships at low level?

In the MA's it's suicide unless the CV is undefended or you're fighting the barges. If someone wants to hunt down and attack derelict CV groups or AI controlled barges, I guess that's fine, I just see the population of players wanting to do that as very small. I guess it would be useful to take down towns in the EW arena.

In scenarios (granted, I haven't flown in a lot of scenarios), I don't see it getting much use either. Will it get 6 pilots per frame? 8? What convoys is it going to attack? Will it be used to attack CV groups? Will it attack ground targets? It's not going to be used as a nightfighter. Is it expected to survive when doing just over 300 mph on the deck?




I'm not saying not to add it, it definitely should be added. I just don't see why we need another twin-engined (early war) allied attack aircraft more than other planes. I still think German bombers, and Japanese and Russian planes of all types should be given priority until we have a more well-rounded selection of planes in the hangar.



Just my $0.02.


Outside of adding anything latewar uber, no plane that is added to AH is going to get a ton of use outside of scenarios.  That's just the way of AH.  I'm all for adding any birds that would help the scenario world.  Right now the Beau is a huge interest for me historically so I'm going with it.  I see a lot of use for it in scenarios or FSOs, but that's just me...and Hajo....and a few others :)

As for survivability.  That's what it did down low.  It's speed on the deck and it's low alt flying was how it survived whether it be against Zekes in the PTO, 109s in the MTO or 190s in the ETO.  It's nothing uber, that's for sure, but I'd fly it :)

Whether we ever get it isn't up to me, but I figure it can't hurt to share a little history while I'm learning :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 25, 2009, 11:13:32 PM
Dan me Lad I couldn't have explained it better  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 26, 2009, 08:47:12 AM
Dap-MK-21 manual.
I have found a way around all the road blocks I will post pages as I get around to it until done here are a few.
 (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.3fbb0cb340.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?3fbb0cb340.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.a14429b109.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?a14429b109.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.efe7a72157.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?efe7a72157.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.c5a246a7b7.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c5a246a7b7.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.74f7130d2a.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?74f7130d2a.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.98e9e835f6.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?98e9e835f6.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.a8be7d3780.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?a8be7d3780.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.9d8c3ccc55.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?9d8c3ccc55.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on February 26, 2009, 10:50:50 PM
Came across tonight during my random wanderings of the web.

http://www.tailwheel.nl/b/bristolbeaufighter/index.html (http://www.tailwheel.nl/b/bristolbeaufighter/index.html)

http://www.burrowes.org/FamilyTree/E.F.G.Burrowes_LogBook/extras/Beaufighter-Manual/ (http://www.burrowes.org/FamilyTree/E.F.G.Burrowes_LogBook/extras/Beaufighter-Manual/)

I also found the 2nd link as a .pdf if anyone's interested just pm me and I can email it to.



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: geo on February 26, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
yes the beau would be  a  fantastic addition to this game. keep up the good work on the  research front   

also  found  few more  cockpit pictures on this   site

DAP Beaufighter 21 In Detail by Brett Green   http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/beau21referecebg_1.htm

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 27, 2009, 07:59:46 AM
More of DAP MK-21 manual.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.488bccbf17.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?488bccbf17.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.8247d42d93.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8247d42d93.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.46d86fa334.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?46d86fa334.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.7f5fb267ab.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7f5fb267ab.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.e4fd19f678.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?e4fd19f678.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.9f9a5678c8.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?9f9a5678c8.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.96bce3d3a6.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?96bce3d3a6.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.25303f2c0c.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?25303f2c0c.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.3ec4c8cee4.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?3ec4c8cee4.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.6eb40c3d6c.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?6eb40c3d6c.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.c0c8c145e7.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c0c8c145e7.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.3f553fe9d8.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?3f553fe9d8.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 27, 2009, 10:15:45 AM
Lyric,

my info shows that the torpedo capability was deleted from the 21, i've never seen any reference to it, but I'll keep looking.
No wonder I was wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufighter Beaufighter Mk 21
The Australian-made DAP Beaufighter. Changes included Hercules CVII engines, a dihedral tailplane, four 20 mm in the nose, four Browning .50 in the wings and the capacity to carry eight five-inch High-Velocity Aircraft Rockets (HVAR), two 250 lb bombs, two 500 lb bombs and one Mk13 torpedo.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 27, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
No wonder I was wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufighter Beaufighter Mk 21
The Australian-made DAP Beaufighter. Changes included Hercules CVII engines, a dihedral tailplane, four 20 mm in the nose, four Browning .50 in the wings and the capacity to carry eight five-inch High-Velocity Aircraft Rockets (HVAR), two 250 lb bombs, two 500 lb bombs and one Mk13 torpedo.


Far be it from me to contradict Wiki, :)

However my book,  "The Beaufort, Beaufighter & Mosquito, in Australian Service" states...  144 major modifications applied... beaufighter 21... the most obivous.. the deletion of the torpedo caring gear.... the ability to carry a 2000lb bomb in its place.

I cant say more on the subject.


except after I posted above, I looked over the page, there is a copy of the performance  trials. Beaufighter 21, under the catagories and loading, there are 4 sections. Attack Bomber, RP Strafer, Torpedo Bomber, and Long Range Strafer.. The Torpedo Bomber section is blank. So I would be 99% sure it didn't carry them.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: MjTalon on February 27, 2009, 11:59:20 AM
Great film to add to you gents hopeful wish:

http://vimeo.com/755968

Make sure you look at it in HD and fullscreen, it's beautiful.  :D


 :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 27, 2009, 12:17:45 PM
Ok....seems I'm collecting Pilots Manuals for the Beaufighter. 

I've recently obtained an original Beau Pilots Manual and I will post some data on the....

                                                                 Beaufighter TFX

     (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/manualcover2.jpg)


     (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/operating1.jpg)

     (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/operating2.jpg)

     (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/operating3.jpg)

Amazing aircraft to say the least.

BTW Lyric.....I don't recognize a Wiki as a reliable source of information.

Methinks with the info posted on the Beaufighter in this thread HTC can just about create the entire Beaufighter series  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 28, 2009, 12:27:39 AM
The torpedo gear was deleted on Aussie built Beaus.  They never carried torps in the Pacific.  They did lug bombs, and as of November 44, carried rockets when needed.  Torbeaus did operate in the MTO and ETO
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 28, 2009, 12:41:37 AM
Dan....the picture you posted a few pages back got me laughing.  The one with about 30 Beaus hitting a convoy. 

Almost in the middle of the picture there is a lone Bomb LOLOLOLOL.  The damned thing looks like it has a mind of its' own!

It appears higher then a lot of Beaus below it....looks like it is trying to figure which way it should go!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 28, 2009, 12:50:14 AM
Dan....the picture you posted a few pages back got me laughing.  The one with about 30 Beaus hitting a convoy. 

Almost in the middle of the picture there is a lone Bomb LOLOLOLOL.  The damned thing looks like it has a mind of its' own!

It appears higher then a lot of Beaus below it....looks like it is trying to figure which way it should go!

I think it's actually a barrage balloon.  There are a number of photos showing them and captions mention barrage balloons as a common sight over convoys.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 28, 2009, 12:53:08 AM
I would hope it is a barrage balloon.  A Beau Pilot would have to fling that one. LOL  still made me laugh thinking it was ord  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 28, 2009, 01:04:40 AM
I think its a barrage ballon, it was the first thing I saw in the photo.. Took me awhile to figure it out.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 28, 2009, 01:04:59 AM
An amazing photo taken from a Beau strike camera during a rocket run on a ship in a Norway fiord in January 45.  All 8 rockets hit the Sirius. The name can be seen on the side of the ship.  It sank.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Sirius.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: hubsonfire on February 28, 2009, 01:28:37 AM
You're a gold mine of jaw-dropping pics, Cork.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 28, 2009, 05:23:05 AM
More DAP-21.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.4af62799b8.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?4af62799b8.jpg)
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.989078537e.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?989078537e.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 28, 2009, 04:37:34 PM
A few more.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.61cb75f214.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?61cb75f214.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.eacac4a4c4.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?eacac4a4c4.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.5d64f74bc4.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?5d64f74bc4.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.dbac866e42.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?dbac866e42.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.2f374840d9.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?2f374840d9.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 01, 2009, 02:17:58 AM
I think going in low and attacking flak ships was probably not a job that lead to a long life.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Flakship.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 01, 2009, 09:17:10 AM
I think going in low and attacking flak ships was probably not a job that lead to a long life.

Very true.
http://www.oldcmp.net/ns1.html
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on March 01, 2009, 02:25:08 PM
Some more Handling info on the Beaufighter TF X       Note:  Landing speeds crossed out by Pilot and new ones entered.

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     Bill of Sale

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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Qrsu on March 01, 2009, 09:59:09 PM
Wow, this thread is really big. And for good reason! I agree, we need the beaufighter.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 02, 2009, 07:46:30 AM
Last of the DAP-MK21 manual.
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jolly22 on March 03, 2009, 04:47:24 PM
just add it already and get it over w/
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 03, 2009, 08:23:39 PM
Poor sailors didn't stand a chance, man they even sank an ocean liner wow!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: simshell on March 03, 2009, 09:25:40 PM
I want this plane in aces high

but I want a Russian bomber first and a early war Japanese bomber

then this plane
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on March 04, 2009, 08:25:21 AM
some Beau films:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUdbzQCm_Y&feature=PlayList&p=F0B57B5EB6BA9180&index=0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUdbzQCm_Y&feature=PlayList&p=F0B57B5EB6BA9180&index=0)

:)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 06, 2009, 12:22:49 AM
The skinners would have good fun too with all the different paint schemes worn by the Beau in the ETO, MTO, PTO and CBI

27 Squadron Mk X Beaufighters in the CBI
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on March 06, 2009, 03:29:59 AM
I must say, as a helpless Mossie fan




bring teh Beau to AH!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SirLoin on March 06, 2009, 04:25:47 AM
Whats the diff between Beaufighter & Bolingbroke?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 06, 2009, 04:35:47 AM
Whats the diff between Beaufighter & Bolingbroke?
Playing only half the frame because you spent to much on beer??? Oh sorry I thought you said bowling broke. Sorry.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on March 06, 2009, 06:26:23 AM
Whats the diff between Beaufighter & Bolingbroke?

Thought a Bolingbroke was a Canadian-built Beaufort?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 06, 2009, 07:04:26 AM
The skinners would have good fun too with all the different paint schemes worn by the Beau in the ETO, MTO, PTO and CBI

No shortage of colour that's for sure.
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Wmaker on March 06, 2009, 07:47:51 AM
Bolingbroke was Canadian license-built version of the Blenheim.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SirLoin on March 06, 2009, 03:57:37 PM
Ty.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SKYGUNS on March 07, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 12, 2009, 07:18:31 AM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on March 12, 2009, 07:44:11 AM
Beautiful, Lyric. That oil cooler looks really vulnerable.  I took the liberty to snap those two together. 
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Click for full size.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 12, 2009, 08:49:29 AM
Thank you when I posted it thought it would be side by side.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: detch01 on March 12, 2009, 01:29:15 PM
Well.......when the Beau arrives I will be parking the Jug for awhile.

I have an idea.  We in Aces High form a Beaufighter Squadron.  Players from all sides welcomed.

We get together on specified nights and search and destroy.  Don't drop from your regular squadron

just get the Beaus together.  To repeat a cliche.....it would be AWESOME.
Count me in Hajo  :aok

asw
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: BigPlay on March 12, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
I think that the beaufighter should be added.

It was a very important aircraft in the war in Europe, and was also used much in the pacific campaign in the Royal Australian Air Force where it was nick named by the Japanese " Whispering Death"

here is some basic information on it :

First Flight: July 17, 1939

It was powered by 2 x bristol 1770 Horsepower Hercules XVII 14-cylinder air-cooled radials.

Armament: 4 x 20mm cannons and 6 x .303 MG's, Had 1 .303 dorsal gunner position. 1 x 1600lbs or 1 x 2127 lbs torpedo + 2 x 500lbs bombs and 8 x 3" rockets.

Max speed: 318 mph
Ceiling: 15,000 ft
range: 1470mph
climb rate: 5,000ft in 3 minutes 30 seconds

btw i didn't copy and paste any of this ;)

-KCTHUNDR ( Happy new year only 24 minutes  :D)




Cobia and Snap would be a terror in this thing  :rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 12, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
Any time you start going backwards because of too many guns I say it cant be a bad thing. :rock

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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on March 12, 2009, 05:54:29 PM
Any time you start going backwards because of too many guns I say it cant be a bad thing. :rock

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/3b004c885d.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Oh I can see the forum threads now if that gets modeled into the game.


OP- "Hey noob, why were you firing your guns when I was diving in on your 6 o'clock?"

'Noob'- "Airbrake."


Great photo btw.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 13, 2009, 06:34:16 PM
Pretty Beau's in a row.
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: crazyivan on March 13, 2009, 10:12:20 PM
Looks like the mossie's fat cussin ! Id'e hit it :t Take that back I'll still give it a go.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 15, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 19, 2009, 01:23:28 AM
Can't be having Lyric1 do all the work :)
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 21, 2009, 01:02:26 AM
Picked up Beaufighter Aces of World War 2 by Andy Thomas.  Turns out there were 80 pilots who were "aces' in Beaus.  Many of them Night fighter drivers, but a lot of MTO daylight guys too.  One RAAF 31 Squadron Ace in the PTO and a few in the CBI.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on March 21, 2009, 07:57:24 AM
I just ordered 'Beaufighter over the Balkans' by Steven Stevenson. I've only read a few chapters (because I have a few other books i'm working on) but I can tell it's going to be a great read. This book is different in the fact that it's Stevensons account of what he did in the war with the Beau. He's not just pounding facts and statistics at you. Definately a fun read.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 24, 2009, 08:46:07 PM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 24, 2009, 09:27:17 PM
Anyone know what's the forum’s transparent colour? I want to create a Bristol Beaufighter type sig, but I still get the box. :D :D

edit: lol wtf is up with my spelling tonight.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on March 24, 2009, 09:41:54 PM
You can use either a gif or png for transparency. Send me the file and I can do it for you.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 24, 2009, 10:28:21 PM
You can use either a gif or png for transparency. Send me the file and I can do it for you.

M00t you called my bluff lol

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/Nuke80x80.png)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 25, 2009, 01:17:54 AM
M00t you called my bluff lol

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/Nuke80x80.png)

LOL wanting the "Washington' in the game are you?  B29 on an RAF Roundel, For shame! :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on March 25, 2009, 01:55:13 AM
 :lol

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3438/3383814037_5b2df942f2_o.png)
It could use a thicker yellow edge.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 25, 2009, 01:58:09 AM
Thanks moot, any chance you can tell me how you did this ?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 25, 2009, 02:21:14 AM
LOL wanting the "Washington' in the game are you?  B29 on an RAF Roundel, For shame! :)

 :P
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 25, 2009, 02:38:38 AM
what IS funny, he is actually serious.

No N00ks for you Kaz.

Back on topic,  can the beaufighter get up to 35k and catch said B29???
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 25, 2009, 02:56:53 AM
No bruv, your beaufighter wouldn't get out of the hanger.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 25, 2009, 06:39:07 AM
 :mad:

flame him.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 25, 2009, 07:05:51 AM
:mad:

flame him.

Join meh! :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 25, 2009, 08:29:46 AM
why don't you go and post a rational wishlist thread and get the Fudge out off this one......
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on March 25, 2009, 08:56:53 AM
Make the pic in photoshop, in RGB mode. Flatten and unlock the layer (not named "background" with a padlock on it).  Delete what you want transparent, so it's showing you the checkered "transparent" pattern.  Save as .png.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 25, 2009, 09:03:21 AM
Make the pic in photoshop, in RGB mode. Flatten and unlock the layer (not named "background" with a padlock on it).  Delete what you want transparent, so it's showing you the checkered "transparent" pattern.  Save as .png.

Thought so mate, tyvm. :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 25, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
BTW who likes my new sig... get yours here [IMG]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/1234-1.gif[/IMG ] < Just close the bracket.

Everyone get down, attempted hijack in progress. :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TexMurphy on March 25, 2009, 09:58:17 AM
Yes please please please give us the beau!!!

Such a beautiful plane with so much personality!!

Tex
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 25, 2009, 09:13:49 PM
No bruv, your beaufighter wouldn't get out of the hanger.

Sure it would!  It would take off three years before the B29 :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 26, 2009, 07:11:47 AM
Nice & roomy up here.
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Would suck to be back here though.
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on March 26, 2009, 02:11:02 PM
Kaz you need to crop the pic or something it looks half ass  :aok :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on March 27, 2009, 03:49:52 AM
Kaz you need to crop the pic or something it looks half ass  :aok :lol

I seriously can't be arse to crop my gif... :D

I'm a little upset that no one wants my said gif. :(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on March 27, 2009, 02:38:39 PM
I seriously can't be arse to crop my gif... :D

I'm a little upset that no one wants my said gif. :(

LOL!

I don't want it...but it is pretty creative. Nice job  :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 31, 2009, 04:46:25 AM
so how good will a Beau look cruising along the new water terrain,  especially the pacific looking bright blue?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: chewie86 on March 31, 2009, 05:26:21 AM
not better than a He-111  :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jolly22 on March 31, 2009, 06:54:04 AM
i wish theyd just add it already
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 31, 2009, 07:51:14 AM
not better than a He-111  :noid

he-111 is merely 303 fodder for spit and hurri mk'1s.    I look forward to when it does get added and the Allies might have half a chance of winning a BofB scenario.  :t
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 31, 2009, 09:57:33 AM
he-111 is merely 303 fodder for spit and hurri mk'1s.    I look forward to when it does get added and the Allies might have half a chance of winning a BofB scenario.  :t
No they won't.  As long as bombers fly at full throttle and .303s are as weak as they are, then the Brits will always lose.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Anaxogoras on March 31, 2009, 10:12:11 AM
No they won't.  As long as bombers fly at full throttle and .303s are as weak as they are, then the Brits will always lose.

I thought the RAF won a BoB scenario a few years back?  Anyway, fighters fly at full throttle all the time too, so there's nothing to that argument.

As for .303s, the problem isn't how they're modeled, it's the damage model for the aircraft.  I hate to bring it up again, but in Il-2 it's not so difficult to set the He-111's or Ju-88's fuel tanks on fire with .303s, so long as you get in a good burst to the wing.  That's something you can't even do with a 30mm cannon in AH.  Although slower, the He-111 gunners seem to have a better range of fire than in the Ju-88; you have to get more lateral separation in order to set up another guns pass.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 31, 2009, 11:33:39 AM
Fighters spent almost all of their combat time at full throttle in reality.  Bombers did not.  That is a very asymmetrical comparison.

I agree about the reason why .303s are so weak.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Anaxogoras on April 01, 2009, 11:11:53 AM
Fighters spent almost all of their combat time at full throttle in reality.  Bombers did not.  That is a very asymmetrical comparison.

Right, in other words, they didn't climb to altitude and vector to intercept at full throttle. ;)  That we do this in AH is a huge difference.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on April 01, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
The most fuel efficient climb setting is max sustained power, this is true for both bombers and fighters.

As to using cruise settings once at altitude, yes, but with the note that British fighters in the Battle of Britain didn't spend much time in cruise on transit or patrol.  They were usually being vecored into the incoming raid, a time critical activity that was once again done at MIL power.  The Germans had to use cruise settings more because they had to reach the combat area as, unlike the British, they weren't starting in it.  The situations were reversed fron 1941 through 1945 of course.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on April 11, 2009, 01:26:54 AM
Just cause it's in color :)
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on April 11, 2009, 02:47:44 AM
“before we had straightened out, Jacko called urgently: ‘ Hard starboard, there’s another only a few hundred yards away!’

I hauled the Beau into a tight turn when Jacko called  ‘ look out, he’s only 200 yards ahead and slightly above. You’re closing too fast’.

‘ Christ, I’ve got him,’ I yelled.  Above me in a tight turn was another ME 110, and at the speed at which we were travelling we looked as though we were going to ram him.  I eased back the stick, put the sights on him, and fired at the point-blank range of about 50 yards.  There was a blinding flash as the Me exploded in my face.”


Bob Braham, No 141 Squadron
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on May 11, 2009, 06:35:55 PM
Well!   I'm waiting!   (Judge Snail in Caddyshack)

I'm waiting for the Beaufighter!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on May 12, 2009, 12:37:00 AM
nice bump

waiting
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on May 12, 2009, 07:34:23 AM
Right, in other words, they didn't climb to altitude and vector to intercept at full throttle. ;)  That we do this in AH is a huge difference.

didnt usually climb at full throttle, I'll go further and say that they never climbed to alt and vectored to target using full WEP settings as we do in AH.

another great beau pic btw. dam those exhausts are ugly!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2009, 01:32:03 PM
Shameless bump.

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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SgtPappy on June 24, 2009, 04:22:06 PM
Anyone have any books or websites on the Beaufighter's service in the CBI?

The forgotten war seems more and more forgotten and every time I look something up about the CBI, there's always something new that I've never even heard of.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 26, 2009, 08:30:08 PM
Anyone have any books or websites on the Beaufighter's service in the CBI?

The forgotten war seems more and more forgotten and every time I look something up about the CBI, there's always something new that I've never even heard of.

I have two histories done on CBI Beaufighter RAF Squadrons.  Both good books on a forgotten airwar

"Silently into the Midst of Things 177 Squadron Royal Air Force in Burma, 1943-1945"   Atholl Sutherland Brown

"BEAUFIGHTERS OVER BURMA: NO. 27 SQUADRON, RAF, 1942-45".   David J. Innes,
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on June 28, 2009, 12:20:14 AM
Dan do you have fire protection for your library? :)

Anyway looks like we missed this update. :(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 28, 2009, 12:59:30 AM
Dan do you have fire protection for your library? :)

Anyway looks like we missed this update. :(

I'm thinking it's too early to give up all hope.  Gotta believe there is more in the pipeline then we're seeing in the Beta.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on June 28, 2009, 01:07:57 AM
I hope the Beaufighter is still alive. I don't think we've missed anything that HTC needs to model the Beau.

Again....modeling is at thieir discretion.  Hope it comes sooner then later  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on June 29, 2009, 07:06:48 AM
Anyone have any books or websites on the Beaufighter's service in the CBI?

The forgotten war seems more and more forgotten and every time I look something up about the CBI, there's always something new that I've never even heard of.
Just a picture amongst many others.

http://www.cbi-history.com/part_xvi_a.html
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on August 19, 2009, 06:13:47 PM
RAAF 93 SQUADRON.

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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LLogann on August 19, 2009, 06:26:59 PM
Good Bump!!!

(http://www.candidz.com/forum/images/smilies/import/applause.gif)

Bring Us the Beaufighter!!!

Pretty please, with ____ sugar on it. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plazus on August 19, 2009, 06:31:18 PM
Did the Beaufighter have counter-rotating props???
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on August 19, 2009, 09:55:43 PM
Did the Beaufighter have counter-rotating props???

No, neither did the Mossie
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plazus on August 19, 2009, 10:42:43 PM
No, neither did the Mossie

BAH! Ill stick with my trusty P38!  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: sandwich on August 20, 2009, 06:26:49 AM
I NEED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on August 20, 2009, 11:00:38 AM
Would rather have the B-29, A26, Spit21...

I hope this thing can turn like a zero, because it's other stats just plain suck. Looks great though.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Bristol_Type_156_Beaufighter_ExCC.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on August 20, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
Would rather have the B-29, A26, Spit21...

I hope this thing can turn like a zero, because it's other stats just plain suck. Looks great though.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Bristol_Type_156_Beaufighter_ExCC.jpg)

Considering it was in combat from 40-45 without stop, I think it would be more important then the 3 you mentioned and I love Spit 21s and got to know some folks who flew them with 91 Squadron before the war was done. I'd want the Spit XII long before the 21 as well
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: shifty95 on August 21, 2009, 07:54:13 AM
Had 1 .303 dorsal gunner position.

hehe, another excuse for a worthless, pea-shooter rear-firing MG.

but, the idea gets a +1 :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on August 21, 2009, 04:43:32 PM
RAAF 93 SQUADRON.

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8c0e1a175d.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
FTJR sent me a link of this very plane it still survives. The very first picture has the same tail art work & I believe it was the Co's aircraft so cool.

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/albino_benedetto/beaufighter/
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on August 21, 2009, 05:14:19 PM
Dan if HTC would follow their latest addition with say 2 new and an update,I'd like to see the Beau,Me410 and a mossie makeover..... :pray

   :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on September 24, 2009, 11:49:37 PM
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bfdd280504.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on September 28, 2009, 12:54:41 PM
I just have to bump this.

This aircraft was just to important to be omitted from the AH inventory.

We have aircraft in-game with total production of less then 400 and the Beau
is omitted.  It is a travesty.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on September 28, 2009, 01:53:16 PM
General characteristics

Crew: 2: pilot, observer
Length: 41 ft 4 in (12.6 m)
Wingspan: 57 ft 10 in (17.65 m)
Height: 15 ft 10 in (4.84 m)
Wing area: 503 ft²[5] (46,73 m²)
Empty weight: 15,592 lb (7,072 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 25,400 lb (11,521 kg)
Powerplant: 2× Bristol Hercules 14-cylinder radial engines, 1,600 hp (1,200 kW) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 320 mph (280 kn, 515 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3,050 m)
Range: 1,750 mi (1,520 nmi, 2,816 km)
Service ceiling: 19,000 ft (5,795 m) without torpedo
Rate of climb: 1,600 ft/min (8.2 m/s) without torpedo
Armament


4 × 20 mm Hispano Mk III cannon (60 rpg) in nose
Fighter Command
4 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns (outer starboard wing)
2 × .303 in (7.7 mm) machine gun (outer port wing)
8 × RP-3 "60 lb" (27 kg) rockets or 2× 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Coastal Command
1 × manually-operated Vickers GO or .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning for observer
1 × 18 in (457 mm) torpedo

 :(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mensa180 on September 28, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
A great addition. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Skulls22 on September 28, 2009, 07:41:04 PM
+1 :aok :D :rock :x
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: dev1ant on September 28, 2009, 08:18:53 PM
I want it.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xasthur on November 16, 2009, 10:30:02 PM
That climb rate is a bit scary. I'd still love it, though.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Martyn on November 17, 2009, 05:41:54 AM
 :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EDO43 on November 17, 2009, 03:39:27 PM
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bfdd280504.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Oh, a Mk 21 w/ the sperry autopilot....I'm game for that, count me in!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 04, 2010, 11:01:13 PM
Two fins are better than one?

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/bristol_beaufighter_if_r2268.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 05, 2010, 12:42:25 AM
Whats the story behind that one Lyric?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 05, 2010, 01:04:35 AM
Whats the story behind that one Lyric?
No idea just a pic I found.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on February 05, 2010, 02:58:42 AM
IIRC Early Beaufighters had lateral stability issues and the twin fin layout was one solution Bristol tried in order to to remedy it. In the end though they went with adding dihedral to the horizontal tail.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 05, 2010, 03:33:07 AM
IIRC Early Beaufighters had lateral stability issues and the twin fin layout was one solution Bristol tried in order to to remedy it. In the end though they went with adding dihedral to the horizontal tail.
Got to love the BBS always learn something new. I wonder what inspired this design then & it is not photo shopped either. Please excuse the minor hijack of the Beaufighter thread.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/hawker_hurricane_slip_wing.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on February 05, 2010, 05:28:59 AM
I think it was a long range Hurricane concept. The upper wing carried extra fuel and reduced the wing loading. It was only ever intended for ferrying, the extra wing would be unbolted before the plane was used operationally.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 06, 2010, 05:54:04 PM
Shameless bump.....where is it?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 07, 2010, 07:30:47 AM
.where is it?

I thought you had it
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on February 07, 2010, 08:28:57 AM
next update lads, I heard...   :bolt:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 07, 2010, 08:39:33 AM
next update lads, I heard...   :bolt:

What with the WWI?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on February 07, 2010, 08:45:47 AM
What with the WWI?  :rolleyes:

Correct me if i'm wrong but i read somewhere that they intended to release a game update before they added the WW1 arena.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 07, 2010, 10:42:30 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong but i read somewhere that they intended to release a game update before they added the WW1 arena.
I must have missed that one. :headscratch:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 08, 2010, 01:19:56 AM
I must have missed that one. :headscratch:

I must've missed it as well, sadly I think they're up to their armpits getting the WW1 stuff ready.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 08, 2010, 02:55:20 PM
I must've missed it as well, sadly I think they're up to their armpits getting the WW1 stuff ready.

I want to be up to my armpits in a Beaufighter!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: waystin2 on February 08, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
I still would love to see the Beau in game! :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 08, 2010, 06:09:16 PM
Bruv.........get that BOSS insignia back in your signature!   :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 08, 2010, 07:51:10 PM
Bruv.........get that BOSS insignia back in your signature!   :D

He has strayed from the path and lost the faith  :t
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 08, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
Picked up another Beaufighter Squadron history today.  "The Men in Blue-600 Squadron RAF"  They flew Beaus from 40-45 first as home defense and then in the MTO and up through Italy.  Looking forward to a good read on this batch of Beau drivers :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 08, 2010, 11:18:19 PM
What other titles do you have regarding the Beau Dan?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 09, 2010, 10:23:21 PM
What other titles do you have regarding the Beau Dan?

Collected over time, with a lot of it spent on www.abebooks.com trying not to spend too much :)

I have Bob Brahm's book "Nightfighter, and C.F. Rawnsley's book "Nightfighter" about his time flying Beaus with Cunningham, but I've tried to keep it to the daylight guys as they'd apply most to AH.  If I was going to start someone down the Beaufighter path, I'd start them with "Beaufighters in the Pacific" by Parnell.  It's my absolute favorite of all of them.  "Strike and Strike again" is second as it covers the Norway runs.


Beaufighter Bibliography

General Beaufighter history:

“Beaufighters in the Pacific”-Neville Parnell.
(A complete history of all Aussie Beaufighter Squadrons, aircraft and ops in the Pacific)

“The Armed Rovers”-Roy Nesbit
(Beaufighter and Beaufort Operations over the Mediterranean)

“Beaufighter Aces of World War II”-Andy Thomas
(Osprey series book covering Beau Aces)

“Beaufighter Squadrons in Focus”-Simon Parry
(Photo album of the units that went to war in the Beau)

“The Bristol Beaufighter-A Comprehensive Guide for the Modeler”-Richard Franks
(Covers all the models available, good profiles, photos, surviving Beaus etc)


Squadron Histories:

“Beaufighters over Burma-Number 27 Squadron RAF 1942-45”-David Innes
(CBI flown Beaufighters)

Beaufighters over New Guinea-No 30 Squadron RAAF 1942-43” George Turnbull Dick
(Aussie Beaufighters)

“Silently into the Midst of Things-177 Squadron RAF in Burma 1943-45”-Atholl Brown
(CBI Beaufighters)

“Beaufighters in the Night-417 Night Fighter Squadron USAAF”-Braxton Eisel
(MTO USAAF Beaufighters)

“Strike and Strike Again-455 Squadron RAAF 1944-45”
(ETO Beaufighters flown by Aussies as part of the Dalachy Wing)

“Gentlemen in Blue-600 Squadron RAF”-Hans Onderwater
(RAF Beaufighters ETO/MTO 1940-45)


Pilot/Navigator Memoirs:

“Touched by War-Memories of a Beaufighter Pilot” Raynor Barber
(30 Squadron RAAF-1944-45 PTO)

“Search and Destroy”-Willam Mann
(31 Squadron RAAF 1943-44.  Mann was Squadron Commander)

“Whispering Death-My Wartime Adventures”-Lee Heide
(Beauforts and Beaufighters in the MTO with 39 and 603 Squadrons)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on February 09, 2010, 11:54:21 PM
If it's true, and the Beaufighter is put into AH before or with the WW1 add-on/update, it would be the FIRST plane I take to the air upon my reactivation.  I think a little CV hunting would be in order.  Granted, I'll be nothing but a black poof cloud over it, but the satisfaction of making an attack run on a destroyer would make it all the more worth it! :x  The question is, would it be perked?  If so, I'm stuck till I have the perks for it. :lol  It would be an interesting sight to see, an A-20 in a dogfight with a Beaufighter.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 10, 2010, 12:51:50 AM
I doubt if it will be perked.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 10, 2010, 01:12:32 AM
It's not some uber bird.  Just one that does a lot of things that fit into the AH world.  And it has lots of history to it which makes it even better :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Delirium on February 10, 2010, 01:23:53 AM
It won't be perked, I'd bet Mensa's left testicle on that one.

It doesn't have the performance nor will it replace any of the current birds in the planeset from their current my favored roles.

Then again, not everyone flies the biggest/fastest/most armed airplane.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 10, 2010, 01:26:10 AM
If it's true, and the Beaufighter is put into AH before or with the WW1 add-on/update, it would be the FIRST plane I take to the air upon my reactivation.  I think a little CV hunting would be in order.  Granted, I'll be nothing but a black poof cloud over it, but the satisfaction of making an attack run on a destroyer would make it all the more worth it! :x  The question is, would it be perked?  If so, I'm stuck till I have the perks for it. :lol  It would be an interesting sight to see, an A-20 in a dogfight with a Beaufighter.

I used this quote a while ago, but it applies.  PTO encounter.  A20 and Beau on the same team :)

The Beau was a 30 Squadron RAAF bird

"For nearly 20 minutes the two planes screwed and twisted crazily as the Beaufighter scooted inland with the Zero pilot trying frantically to bring his gunsight to bear.  Then down from the sky above roared an American A-20 with guns blazing.  The Zero faltered as bullets ripped into it, turned over and dived into the ground.  Although slightly wounded, Hughes(The Beaufighter pilot) brought his bullet ridden aircraft home safely."
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on February 10, 2010, 01:52:07 AM
It was a bit of a stupid question on my part. :o  Meh.  I'll ask them now and again. :lol

Beaufighter vs Mosquito, another line up to see. :x  I'm kinda curious what the default skin on it would be.  Would it have the torpedo option, or will it be denied it?

I don't see why they would not allow it to carry the torpedo.  Yes, chances are people will still up a formation of 88's instead, but not EVERYONE would.  There are times I will up a Kate just for the ell of it, plus it's fun. :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 10, 2010, 02:19:53 AM
It was a bit of a stupid question on my part. :o  Meh.  I'll ask them now and again. :lol

Beaufighter vs Mosquito, another line up to see. :x  I'm kinda curious what the default skin on it would be.  Would it have the torpedo option, or will it be denied it?

I don't see why they would not allow it to carry the torpedo.  Yes, chances are people will still up a formation of 88's instead, but not EVERYONE would.  There are times I will up a Kate just for the ell of it, plus it's fun. :aok

If you get a chance read through the thread here.  There are different Beau variants.  Only one carried the torp, and that was the Mk X better known as the Torbeau. The earlier VI was the first of the Beau's used for daylight fighter bomber work and could carry bombs.  The Mk X could carry bombs, torps or rockets.  Not all at one time obviously.  The Aussies produced the Mk 21 which carried rockets and had 4 50 cals in the wings instead of the 6 303s carried on English built Beaus. 

If we ever get the Beau, and I got my wish, it would be the VI with no gun for the Nav, 4 20s and  6 303s, the Mk X with options for rockets, bombs, torps and gun for the Nav. 4 20s too.  Most Mk Xs didn't carry the 6 303s as the space was used for fuel tanks instead.  No formations though as it's not a bomber, but fighter bomber.  You want to torp some ship,  you gotta have friends to fly along :)

And if really lucky, the Mk 21 with 4 20s and 4 50s along with rockets for the Aussies.

I'd spend my time in a Beau Mk VI
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on February 10, 2010, 03:00:42 AM
Beaufighter Mk VIC "Torbeau"
Beaufighter Mk VI (ITF)
Beaufighter TF Mk X
Beaufighter Mk 21

These 4 are listed in wiki as a Torpedo Fighter.  So I'm not so sure about the Mk X being the only one able to carry a torpedo.  But I must digress as there are many a person here who has a few books on this plane, and I will likely get cut to shreds on this one. :noid  :lol

I would have to agree though, you would do well to take friends along to torpedo a ship. :aok  But sometimes, it's just you vs the world. :airplane:
And sometimes, I do that in a Kate. :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 10, 2010, 03:12:00 AM
If you get a chance read through the thread here.  There are different Beau variants.  Only one carried the torp, and that was the Mk X better known as the Torbeau. The earlier VI was the first of the Beau's used for daylight fighter bomber work and could carry bombs.  The Mk X could carry bombs, torps or rockets.  Not all at one time obviously.  The Aussies produced the Mk 21 which carried rockets and had 4 50 cals in the wings instead of the 6 303s carried on English built Beaus. 

If we ever get the Beau, and I got my wish, it would be the VI with no gun for the Nav, 4 20s and  6 303s, the Mk X with options for rockets, bombs, torps and gun for the Nav. 4 20s too.  Most Mk Xs didn't carry the 6 303s as the space was used for fuel tanks instead.  No formations though as it's not a bomber, but fighter bomber.  You want to torp some ship,  you gotta have friends to fly along :)

And if really lucky, the Mk 21 with 4 20s and 4 50s along with rockets for the Aussies.

I'd spend my time in a Beau Mk VI
Don't forget these little bundles of joy as well. :aok

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/30sqnRAAF5.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 10, 2010, 08:41:51 AM
Wow, thanks Dan
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 10, 2010, 09:35:07 AM
Beaufighter Mk VIC "Torbeau"
Beaufighter Mk VI (ITF)
Beaufighter TF Mk X
Beaufighter Mk 21

These 4 are listed in wiki as a Torpedo Fighter.  So I'm not so sure about the Mk X being the only one able to carry a torpedo.  But I must digress as there are many a person here who has a few books on this plane, and I will likely get cut to shreds on this one. :noid  :lol

I would have to agree though, you would do well to take friends along to torpedo a ship. :aok  But sometimes, it's just you vs the world. :airplane:
And sometimes, I do that in a Kate. :D

Being capable and doing it were two different things :)

In practice it was the Mk X that was used as the Torbeau.  The Mk 21 never carried them, nor did the VI that I've ever found.  As an example.  The Dalachy Strike Wing had a number of Beau Squadrons.  One specialized in Torps, one with Rockets and the other suppressing flak, so you had the Flak Beau's go in first, the RocketBeaus second and the Torbeaus third. Those were all Mk X Beaus at that point.  The MTO Beau's were VIs and Xs.  The PTO/CBI Beaus were mainly VIs with the Aussies adding the Mk 21 towards the end of the war.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on February 10, 2010, 04:30:05 PM
I was told that only one, the Mk X, carried the torp; which is why I posted the 4 variants.  At that time, i was a bit tired and likely just misread what he meant.  I know little of it but would still like to see it in AH because I know enough about it, that it was used in anti-shipping and anti-U-Boat roles a lot.

My question now is, how is it going to be flown in the MA's?  Just another base/town killer?  Will people actually up in numbers to take down a CV if one is spotted?  I very rarely see missions aimed at taking down a CV, but it would be nice to see that as the first mission for the Beaufighter.  Even without the torpedo, it will still put out a bit of damage plus it might be a bit more survivable vs doing a torpedo run.  Somehow, I doubt that will be the first mission that the Beaufighter will be used in.  More than likely, when it's added, the first thing people will do is mission horde a base with it.  Still, will be a sight to see so many Beau's in the air.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 10, 2010, 06:31:34 PM
I was told that only one, the Mk X, carried the torp; which is why I posted the 4 variants.  At that time, i was a bit tired and likely just misread what he meant.  I know little of it but would still like to see it in AH because I know enough about it, that it was used in anti-shipping and anti-U-Boat roles a lot.

My question now is, how is it going to be flown in the MA's?  Just another base/town killer?  Will people actually up in numbers to take down a CV if one is spotted?  I very rarely see missions aimed at taking down a CV, but it would be nice to see that as the first mission for the Beaufighter.  Even without the torpedo, it will still put out a bit of damage plus it might be a bit more survivable vs doing a torpedo run.  Somehow, I doubt that will be the first mission that the Beaufighter will be used in.  More than likely, when it's added, the first thing people will do is mission horde a base with it.  Still, will be a sight to see so many Beau's in the air.
It will have it's place & most likely will find a roll that it never did in real life just like a number of other things in the game.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 10, 2010, 08:00:22 PM
<--- tapping foot and waiting almost patiently.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 10, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
<--- tapping foot and waiting almost patiently.
twiddling thumbs
<----
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 10, 2010, 09:56:39 PM
OK here's my line up minus the Mk 21 which I'll leave to Lyric :)  As the Aussies flew VIs, the 21 is less of an issue for me.

Beau VIF.  Note the gun ports on the left wing.  2 303s in the left, 4 in the right wing.  Most had no gun in the rear cupola.  4 20mms.  This would be the fastest and the one to do a bit more hunting in.  If push came to shove, I'd add the bomb racks to it as they got them as time wore on, but since the T Mk X did all that stuff, I don't think it would  be a have to have em thing on the VIF  This is a USAAF bird and has the night fighter radar. The daylight VIs didn't have it obviously, but this one showed the gun ports on the wing best.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauVI.jpg)

A T MK X with bombs loaded.  No wing guns. Extra fuel in the gun bays to make up for the drag of the bombs.  Racks for 4 bombs.  4 20mm.  Rear gun for the Nav.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauTXBombs.jpg)

T MK X with rockets loaded.  Again no wing guns but extra fuel.  4 20mm.  rear gun for the Nav.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/rockbeau-1.jpg)

T MK X with a torpedo.  The Torbeau.  No wing guns, more fuel etc. 4 20mm
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Torbeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 10, 2010, 10:12:56 PM
Are those 4 bombs centreline? Or is it 2 centre, 1 on each wing? Any colour photo's Dan?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 10, 2010, 10:21:28 PM
heres a site with a 21 and some other interesting Australian restorations

http://www.ausairpower.net/aarg.html

(http://www.ausairpower.net/Beaufighter-Mk.21-A8-328-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 10, 2010, 10:39:47 PM
Are those 4 bombs centreline? Or is it 2 centre, 1 on each wing? Any colour photo's Dan?

2 bombs on the centerline, one under each wing.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/4BomBeau.jpg)

As for color, you really jogged the memory.  The color out there seems to be of surviving Beaus like Phatzo posted.  This one is of a Malta based Beau that was in a book I forgot I even had til you mentioned a wartime color shot.  I think it's an early VI without the tailplane dehidral.  Thats a camera mounted in the nose.  This was fairly common in Beau's and they took some amazing combat shots.
I didn't find any other wartime color shots in any of my books.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/ColorBeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 10, 2010, 10:50:48 PM
Thanks mate, I just love ww2 colour shots, just brings me a little bit closer to the time.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 10, 2010, 10:54:34 PM
You did note the Aussie flag on that first T Mk X with the bombs didn't you? :)

Now if we could just get our cartoon Beau and go pretend for a little bit  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 10, 2010, 11:38:45 PM
You did note the Aussie flag on that first T Mk X with the bombs didn't you? :)

Now if we could just get our cartoon Beau and go pretend for a little bit  :aok

yes I did see that :) and I ll join you when it happens ! Thanks again for the info.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Masherbrum on February 10, 2010, 11:45:24 PM
Come on HTC, bring this plane to AH!   
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 10, 2010, 11:49:30 PM
Dan,

Im doing a search for the "Beaufighters in the Pacific" but this keeps turning up

      
Parnell, Neville
Whispering Death: History of the RAAF's Beaufighter Squadrons
Sydney: Reed, 1988

Is this the same book?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 11, 2010, 12:02:12 AM
Dan,

Im doing a search for the "Beaufighters in the Pacific" but this keeps turning up

      
Parnell, Neville
Whispering Death: History of the RAAF's Beaufighter Squadrons
Sydney: Reed, 1988

Is this the same book?

It's the first edition.  Beaufighters in the Pacific was his later effort.   I haven't seen that version.  I got my copy direct from Neville.  I've got his e-mail around here somewhere if you want it.  Nice guy to work with.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 11, 2010, 12:04:57 AM
Yes Please.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 11, 2010, 12:16:34 AM
Yes Please.

PM sent with his e-mail.  You'll really enjoy the book.  All you could want to know about the Aussie Beaufighters in the PTO
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on February 11, 2010, 12:28:58 AM
It's the first edition.  Beaufighters in the Pacific was his later effort.   I haven't seen that version.  I got my copy direct from Neville.  I've got his e-mail around here somewhere if you want it.  Nice guy to work with.

+1
I ordered a copy from him a few weeks later, it's a great book.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 11, 2010, 02:15:08 AM
+1
I ordered a copy from him a few weeks later, it's a great book.


Awesome..
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 11, 2010, 09:23:20 AM
I'm hoping for two models the Mk X and the XXI...well let's make it three the Mk VI also.

Do you think I'm being to picky?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 11, 2010, 09:47:43 AM
heres a site with a 21 and some other interesting Australian restorations

http://www.ausairpower.net/aarg.html

(http://www.ausairpower.net/Beaufighter-Mk.21-A8-328-1.jpg)
Well some personal pics I took of that Beau while back home in Melbourne at Moorabbin. This is only the Beau pics the others I might post some other place.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9772.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9773.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9774.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9775.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9776.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9777.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9780.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9784.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9781.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9786.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9785.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9778.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/100_9779.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 11, 2010, 09:56:18 AM
Thanks mate, I just love ww2 colour shots, just brings me a little bit closer to the time.
Here are a few then.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SK-A20A8-164200001.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SK-A20A8-164200002.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SK-A20A8-164200003.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 11, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
I'm hoping for two models the Mk X and the XXI...well let's make it three the Mk VI also.

Do you think I'm being to picky?
I would like to see four models. I,V,X,XXI That would cover all the arenas quite well I think.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 11, 2010, 11:28:03 AM
Great Pics Lyric thanks!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 11, 2010, 12:37:47 PM
I would like to see four models. I,V,X,XXI That would cover all the arenas quite well I think.

Would you agree that the VI and X would be the priorities as I do?  The I didn't do much daylight work and the 21 is much the same as the X but Aussie produced and with the 4 50s instead of 303s.  I'd like the 21 but the I is last on my list.  Personally the VI is first as it was the fastest and more of a fighter then a bomber.  The X did most of the hauling of ord.  Just give me 4 20s and 6 303s and I'll be fine :)

Great pics btw. I figured you'd come through on the 21s  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 11, 2010, 12:51:35 PM
Would you agree that the VI and X would be the priorities as I do?  The I didn't do much daylight work and the 21 is much the same as the X but Aussie produced and with the 4 50s instead of 303s.  I'd like the 21 but the I is last on my list.  Personally the VI is first as it was the fastest and more of a fighter then a bomber.  The X did most of the hauling of ord.  Just give me 4 20s and 6 303s and I'll be fine :)

Great pics btw. I figured you'd come through on the 21s  :aok
Will have to read up some more on the other MK'S VI for the V yeah if it is more of a fighter version I would trade the V for it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on February 11, 2010, 12:58:33 PM
Something that's brought up a few times in Parnell's book is that the 20mm didn't have any tracer ammo, anyone know why that was?


Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 11, 2010, 01:16:36 PM
Will have to read up some more on the other MK'S VI for the V yeah if it is more of a fighter version I would trade the V for it.

THink you got your numbers mixed up.  the Beaufighter V was the prototype built with the turret.  Only 2 built and the project abandoned.  The VI was the main production version prior to the X.  They were the two main day flying Beaus.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 11, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
THink you got your numbers mixed up.  the Beaufighter V was the prototype built with the turret.  Only 2 built and the project abandoned.  The VI was the main production version prior to the X.  They were the two main day flying Beaus.
Maybe I was thinking of the VIC then as I said I need to read up on the other Mks a bit more :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 11, 2010, 04:26:21 PM
It is truly amazing what an auto manufacturer can do.  As I said before...Bristol was a carriage, then an automobile manufacturing company.

Great minds rule!  I believe they have been absorbed by a British Aerospace Company.  Could it be BAC?  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 11, 2010, 10:00:08 PM
It is truly amazing what an auto manufacturer can do.  As I said before...Bristol was a carriage, then an automobile manufacturing company.

Great minds rule!  I believe they have been absorbed by a British Aerospace Company.  Could it be BAC?  ;)


After all the convolutions its now  BAe, I believe Hajo.

As to the Marks. I would think the VIc and X, would be cover the majority of scenario's the 21 would be the icing on the cake.

p.s thanks for the pics Lyric.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RASTER on February 11, 2010, 11:33:28 PM
Didn't the pilots manual indicate aerobatic maneuvers were not allowed.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 12, 2010, 12:32:17 AM
Didn't the pilots manual indicate aerobatic maneuvers were not allowed.


"Intentional" aerobatics and spinning.  That doesn't mean they didn't do it :)

Some of the descriptions of the Beau flying in the stuff I've read, certainly includes doing things the Pilot's Notes wouldn't approve.  Somehow combat changed the rules if needed.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RASTER on February 12, 2010, 12:42:03 PM
Quote
"Intentional" aerobatics and spinning.  That doesn't mean they didn't do it

Sadly, a great aircraft which will never be modeled well because of the statistical data thats available. The ones I've flown on line had great climb and the guns were beyond belief.

Noticed the preceeding picture of the engine cylinders. That orange crust on the top of the aluminum cylinder head, is that burnt gasoline octane.????
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Baggy on February 12, 2010, 02:04:37 PM
They're still making cars - all handbuilt. I want a Blenheim Speedster! I used to drive to work past their showroom in my Skoda. Dream on!!

http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/index2.htm
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on February 12, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
They're still making cars - all handbuilt. I want a Blenheim Speedster! I used to drive to work past their showroom in my Skoda. Dream on!!

http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/index2.htm


 Nice,looks like it borrowed some design from the Healey but then thats nothing new for Bristol.

 Their postwar cars "borrowed" heavily from BMW.... :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 12, 2010, 08:00:13 PM
Sadly, a great aircraft which will never be modeled well because of the statistical data thats available. The ones I've flown on line had great climb and the guns were beyond belief.


Kinda too bad you've decided that a cartoon plane we don't have, and may never get, is already modeled wrong :)

Could be us Beaufighter fans just want the chance to get together in AH someday and pretend we're Beau drivers? :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 13, 2010, 08:03:37 AM
I think this guy has a love for them, the hours and dollars in this would be incredible
(http://www.aviationtrivia.info/images/rc_beaufighter_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 13, 2010, 08:52:31 AM
Wow Phatzo, where does he live?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Majors on February 14, 2010, 11:52:42 AM
Hi Mates

I have been over this subject many times over the years.  So, here is one more thought.  Why is it that AH has a Brewster, which served maybe two years into WWII and no Beaufighter which served in Europe, Med, South Pacific for the entire war.  Or, what about the A-36 which served with the USAAF from North Africa through the war in Italy until War in Europe was over?

Just a very old low level buff driver letting off some steam.

cheers to you all

Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 16, 2010, 01:18:20 AM
Wow Phatzo, where does he live?
this is the site I got the picture from. If your into that stuff its worth a look

http://www.largemodelassociation.com/keith_mitchell_bea.htm
(http://www.largemodelassociation.com/images/beau_taxi.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on February 16, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Something that's brought up a few times in Parnell's book is that the 20mm didn't have any tracer ammo, anyone know why that was?





  Soul,
  I know alot of the nightfighters left out the tracers as it affected their nightvision!

   Not saying thats why the Beaus didnt use tracers so dont quote me,but it seems like a logical reason.

   :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 16, 2010, 08:54:35 PM

  Soul,
  I know alot of the nightfighters left out the tracers as it affected their nightvision!

   Not saying thats why the Beaus didnt use tracers so dont quote me,but it seems like a logical reason.

   :salute
  Per the book Queen of the midnight skies that is exactly the reason most night fighters had no tracers.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on February 17, 2010, 12:43:26 AM
 Yes Lyric1 I know,the problem is Soulyss never stated the Beaus were NF or not.


  I know reading about the Mossie NF's that the 303 muzzle flash caused the same problem,yet the location of the hispano's didnt.From the looks of the Beaus their 20mm's were locate undeneath much like the Mossie.


  So I guess the question is,Soulyss were they nightfighters or daytime Beaus?

   :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on February 17, 2010, 10:09:50 AM
Yes Lyric1 I know,the problem is Soulyss never stated the Beaus were NF or not.


  I know reading about the Mossie NF's that the 303 muzzle flash caused the same problem,yet the location of the hispano's didnt.From the looks of the Beaus their 20mm's were locate undeneath much like the Mossie.


  So I guess the question is,Soulyss were they nightfighters or daytime Beaus?

   :salute

Sorry should have been more clear on that, these were not nightfighters.  I'll have to go grab the book during a break today but I believe it was talking about 30 Squadron RAAF which was flying low level daytime raids in New Guinea.  Another interesting things was on earlier models it seemed that the cannon were drum, not belt fed. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 17, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
Sorry should have been more clear on that, these were not nightfighters.  I'll have to go grab the book during a break today but I believe it was talking about 30 Squadron RAAF which was flying low level daytime raids in New Guinea.  Another interesting things was on earlier models it seemed that the cannon were drum, not belt fed. 


That would be a concern in modeling the earlier Mk IF or IC.  They had 60 round drums that had to be changed by the Nav, something that was difficult to do in flight, in particular when maneuvering.  The VI had belt fed canisters that carried 240 rounds per gun and did away with the problem.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on February 17, 2010, 12:33:24 PM
Sorry should have been more clear on that, these were not nightfighters.  I'll have to go grab the book during a break today but I believe it was talking about 30 Squadron RAAF which was flying low level daytime raids in New Guinea.  Another interesting things was on earlier models it seemed that the cannon were drum, not belt fed. 


I found a passage here in Parnell's book (Pg. 21).

Quote
The Beaus had a speed advantage of at least 15 knots, but neither side scored any clear victories.  Several of the Oscars appeared to suffer some damage, trailing smoke.  One of the Beaufighters was a newer model, A19-73, and had a technical difference which the pilot was not familiar with.  There were separate buttons for the cannons and machine guns and by failing to press the machine gun button, he had no tracer to see if his aim was true.  Despite this he claimed several good cannon burts at an Oscar. With no hits on the Beaufighters, the enemy's marksmanship was considered worse.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: cactuskooler on February 17, 2010, 08:00:54 PM
What a KI-57 looks like from the back of a Beau.

(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/JapTopsyMC-20onSelaroeStrip22July19.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 17, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
What a KI-57 looks like from the back of a Beau.

(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/JapTopsyMC-20onSelaroeStrip22July19.jpg)
Interesting picture you have eight guys standing & running but none seem to have hit the dirt? I wonder what the Japanese were instructed to do in that circumstance of being strafed?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plawranc on February 17, 2010, 09:06:36 PM
I WANT THE BEAU!!!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LLogann on February 18, 2010, 10:27:12 AM
What the heck are you guys talking about?  That's not the Bristol......

Here is a Beaufighter!

(http://www.classiccarclubtoejamet.com/Webpics/Brochures/Bristol%20Beaufighter.jpg)

And it has no place in the game!   :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on February 18, 2010, 05:22:34 PM
I found a passage here in Parnell's book (Pg. 21).



  If this is the case,I'd say logistics came into play.The tracer ammo likely wasnt shipped,since they had tracers for the MG's it may have been considered redundant. If the Beaus served in the night time role traces wouldnt be loaded,and now I'm guessing here, it seems reasonable that the 20mm tracers simply werent considered high priortity!

 Pretty interesting topic,makes me want to find the real answer as mine is nothing but a uneducated guess....... :lol


   :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 18, 2010, 06:06:06 PM
I do have a portion of micro film on a USA night fighter squadron that had Beaus the 417TH I think will have to go to the library & see what I have.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 18, 2010, 06:09:06 PM
417 skin?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KezhQ6waZT0/SW1nCNJXfgI/AAAAAAAALR0/UhXcTl5rFKw/s320/beadft.jpg)
I just found the availability of a book about them
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sXsQyhYLL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Beaufighters-Night-Fighter-Squadron-USAAF/dp/1844154831
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 18, 2010, 06:12:54 PM
417 & 415 Squadrons USAAF nightfighters had Beaus
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 19, 2010, 11:30:03 PM
Interesting picture you have eight guys standing & running but none seem to have hit the dirt? I wonder what the Japanese were instructed to do in that circumstance of being strafed?

They probably think that the buff is going to burn, and fear that more than being straffed.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 20, 2010, 12:49:36 AM
A couple of interesting tidbits from the Beaufighter library.

From the 177 Squadron history written by one of it's former pilots.

"177 Squadron flew the later marks of Beau, VI's first then mostly TFXs.  Many of the latter were fitted with non-jettisonable rocket rails.  Many pilots preferred the VI to the X because they were faster and were not fitted with rocket rails.  Many thought the VI was about 15 knots faster then the X with fixed rails."

Noted in the 39 Squadron history was a specific reference to the wing MGs not being carried when rockets were loaded.

I want my Beau VI without rockets thank you :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 20, 2010, 12:54:28 AM
You dont want to supersize that ? :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 20, 2010, 01:14:25 AM
I kinda figure someone has to fly the Flak Beau's to clear the track for the Rocket Beaus and the Torbeaus.

It's interesting to see how within a wing like the Dallachy Beaufighter Wing, each squadron took on one of the roles.  You got good at Torps with the Torbeau crew.  The Rocket Beaus did their bit, and the Flak Beaus did theirs.  All at low level of course, right where I want to be :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 20, 2010, 01:53:11 AM
First use of Rocket Beau's in the PTO was November 44.  Again mention of no mgs with Rockets loaded.

Looks like the first use of Torbeaus was in June 43 in the MTO
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 20, 2010, 04:38:46 PM
Correct me if I am wrong...(usually) but if I recall correctly the Torbeau
was the MkX.

I happen to have an original Pilots manual for the MkX.

Pilot crossed out manuals airspeeds for certain maneuvers....he crossed
them out and replaced them in pencil.  Kinda Cool. :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 21, 2010, 12:06:03 AM
Did he replace them with higher speeds Hajo?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 21, 2010, 02:09:33 AM
Correct me if I am wrong...(usually) but if I recall correctly the Torbeau
was the MkX.

I happen to have an original Pilots manual for the MkX.

Pilot crossed out manuals airspeeds for certain maneuvers....he crossed
them out and replaced them in pencil.  Kinda Cool. :D

Yep the Torbeau was the Mk X.  It was the only one fitted with torp carrying gear.  So here's the deal.  On our first BOSS mission.  Hajo leads the Torbeaus, MK X FTJR leads the RockBeaus MK X and I'll take the FlakBeaus VIs  And if we get the 21s, Lyric will lead those carrying bombs.

Fair enough? :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 21, 2010, 03:21:03 AM
Aye Aye sir
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 21, 2010, 04:04:12 AM
I have to admit that I would really like to see the Beaufighter in AH.  I never vote for it or list it in my most desired aircraft lists as I don't think it plugs as many holes, but I also only list what I think the game most needs, not what my personal list actually is.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 21, 2010, 10:21:29 AM
Aye!  Torpedos it is sir!  Ftjr amongst the many pages of this post I have the Pilots manual posted for the MkX.

I emailed the drawings of the Beau to HTC that I obtained from the NASM.  Pyro got them I believe.

If I haven't deleted them they are in this topic somewhere.  And yes the speeds were higher.

For all reading this post...on page 15 of this topic I've posted the Pilots Manual of the Beau TFX.

Continue to follow the post from that point and more of the Pilots Manual is posted.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on February 21, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
I'm guessing we'd see quite a few RockBeaus around - maybe replacing the 110G as the premier town killer?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on February 21, 2010, 12:23:36 PM
Brothers and Sisters!  It is not too late to stop the lemming rush to the cliff which is the wish for this useless aircraft!

Don't let the light bomber pilots who wish nothing more than 3 more cannon for their twin engined fetish while finally getting their Torpedos and sheep storage space!  Nor those "Jug" pilots who wish to trade their great MGs for this gun package while adding yet another poorly designed radial engine in their continued lust for the heaviest and ugliest aircraft.

Step back from the edge, and join the STOP THE BEAUFIGHTER Insurgency before they take over a valuable plane slot with this terrible choice!

Thank You for your support.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on February 21, 2010, 12:28:23 PM
     Hey Fencer, remember ugly girls need love too  :neener:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 21, 2010, 12:58:13 PM
Fencer <slap>  :rofl  :rofl  :rofl  :rofl  :rofl  :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 21, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
Sorry Fencer, but anybody who flies a P-51 has already surrendered any high ground on the subject of one's aircraft preference.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 21, 2010, 01:33:54 PM
Brothers and Sisters!  It is not too late to stop the lemming rush to the cliff which is the wish for this useless aircraft!

Don't let the light bomber pilots who wish nothing more than 3 more cannon for their twin engined fetish while finally getting their Torpedos and sheep storage space!  Nor those "Jug" pilots who wish to trade their great MGs for this gun package while adding yet another poorly designed radial engine in their continued lust for the heaviest and ugliest aircraft.

Step back from the edge, and join the STOP THE BEAUFIGHTER Insurgency before they take over a valuable plane slot with this terrible choice!

Thank You for your support.
OK we need an emblem for the Fencer needs to take a step back club. :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 21, 2010, 01:42:57 PM
Ken is just mad cause we aren't asking for the Merlin Mk II Beau, since it was such a disappointment :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on February 21, 2010, 02:27:39 PM
Ken is just mad cause we aren't asking for the Merlin Mk II Beau, since it was such a disappointment :)

Even two Diamonds cannot make a turd sparkle enough.  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 21, 2010, 02:38:55 PM
Hater. :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 21, 2010, 02:46:19 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/nancy20pilots20rockets20-20resized.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 21, 2010, 02:47:24 PM
And if we get the 21s, Lyric will lead those carrying bombs.


Ready.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/017378.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 21, 2010, 03:34:25 PM
Even two Diamonds cannot make a turd sparkle enough.  ;)
it can shine though
(http://blatanttruth.org/turd-polish.gif)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on February 21, 2010, 04:29:41 PM
Just ordered Beaufighters in the Night   417 Squadron.

Dan thank you for the EMail address....I've received a reply

from Australia.



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 21, 2010, 07:13:34 PM
Image of the guys with the rockets..



This Big End faces towards Fencer ! Q? How do we get him to bend over ? :bolt:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 21, 2010, 08:04:59 PM
Just ordered Beaufighters in the Night   417 Squadron.

Dan thank you for the EMail address....I've received a reply

from Australia.


Hajo, how long ago did you get his reply? I got one as well, but my latest emails have gone unanswered
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 22, 2010, 02:18:02 AM
Hajo, how long ago did you get his reply? I got one as well, but my latest emails have gone unanswered

Disregard, contact re established.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 24, 2010, 06:10:09 AM
Woot, my book is otw ! :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 24, 2010, 12:16:35 PM
You'll enjoy it :)

More tidbits from reading on the Beau.  Apparently the F designation was for Fighter Command and the C designation was for Coastal Command.  Generally Beaus for Coastal Command had the rear gun while the Fighter Command Beaus did not although you can find examples of the opposite in both commands.  One Navigator comments on how it was left up to the crews and he got rid of the gun as it took up space and hindered his view.  He figured he would be more helpful to the pilot being able to watch their tail.

Apparently Xs came without the wing guns due to the addition of wing racks for either rockets or bombs.  The bomb load was 1000 pounders under each wing and 2 250 pounders under the fuselage.  If loaded with rockets it was either 25 pound or 60 pound rocket projectiles.

So I still want my VIf with no rear gun, 40 20mm and 6 303s to go with the TFXc with 4 20mm and rear scare gun, that can either carry bombs, rockets or a torp.  Best of both worlds :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on February 24, 2010, 07:42:30 PM
     Whew I bet the armourer on that Beau had HUGE arms....40 20mm Guppy?  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 24, 2010, 10:33:35 PM
    Whew I bet the armourer on that Beau had HUGE arms....40 20mm Guppy?  :D

OK so I had a typo...so shoot me....with 4 20mms :)

Another tidbit.  Appears they did away with the wing guns on the TFX, using the space for fuel.  BUT!  They did increase the ammo load for the 20mm to 283 rounds per gun, up from the 240 rounds per gun of the VI.

Now about my VI? :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on February 24, 2010, 11:01:32 PM
     Hey I'm hoping you get your Flakbeau, Rockbeau AND your Torbeau myself.  They are very
worthy potential additions to our AH skies  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 28, 2010, 01:55:01 AM
Just cause you know you want it :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/PL19442.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on February 28, 2010, 06:20:13 AM
Lol nice one.. Got my Book today.. yipeee
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on March 02, 2010, 05:16:29 AM
What book did you get JR?
(http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/SEA0049_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 02, 2010, 01:23:51 PM
Beaufighters in the Pacific, by Neville Parnell.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 02, 2010, 04:59:10 PM
"Deluded People, Cave In"
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 02, 2010, 06:55:05 PM
Phatzo, yes I got it, Im through 30 squadron's chapter, well into 31's chapter now. Very interesting stuff.

Dan, you always mention 30 squadron,  I dont think I've ever seen you mention 31, could be wrong about that though, but from my reading 31 had a lot more action, your thoughts?

Everyone.. Fencer wears the sign of the devil in his signature.. Stone him ! :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on March 02, 2010, 07:33:24 PM
All he said is that it was a meal fit for Jehova.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 02, 2010, 07:59:29 PM
All right, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle. Even... and I want to make this absolutely clear... even if they do say, "Jehovah".
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on March 02, 2010, 09:20:32 PM
All right, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle. Even... and I want to make this absolutely clear... even if they do say, "Jehovah".

 :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 02, 2010, 11:34:47 PM
Phatzo, yes I got it, Im through 30 squadron's chapter, well into 31's chapter now. Very interesting stuff.

Dan, you always mention 30 squadron,  I dont think I've ever seen you mention 31, could be wrong about that though, but from my reading 31 had a lot more action, your thoughts?

Everyone.. Fencer wears the sign of the devil in his signature.. Stone him ! :)

30 got into the game first in New Guiniea, and had Joe Newman as one of it's pilots.  He was the brother of Spit XII driver Barney Newman.  That's where my Beau interest started and 30 Squadron  Both Joe and Barney were KIA sadly.  I have the book written by one of the 31 Squadron CO's William Mann.  "Search & Destroy".  A good read too.  Seems like much of the good Beau writing comes from the Aussies.  I came across a 1943 novel written by an Aussie and published in Australia called "Beaufighter" by Reginald Kirby.  It's dedicated to "The boys of the New Guiniea Beaufighter Squadron, who made this possible."  That is 30 squadron as well.

Interestingly the best of the ETO Beaufighter books is the one on 455 Squadron, which was also Aussies.  Funny how that works :)

So I want 30 Squadron, Beaufighter VIF A19-132 for mine in AH should the day come.  That's the one Joe Newman was lost in.  Haven't nailed down the individual aircraft letter yet but working on it
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 03, 2010, 02:47:32 AM
All right, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle. Even... and I want to make this absolutely clear... even if they do say, "Jehovah".


Ooh He said "Jehovah" !
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 03, 2010, 03:02:42 AM
Photo of Joe Newman.  He ended up losing an engine and ditching in September 43.  They were seen in their rafts and it is speculated they were captured then executed by the Japanese.

Beaufighter A19-132 "Z"

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/JoeNewman.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 03, 2010, 03:14:27 AM
30 got into the game first in New Guiniea, and had Joe Newman as one of it's pilots.  He was the brother of Spit XII driver Barney Newman. 

So I want 30 Squadron, Beaufighter VIF A19-132 for mine in AH should the day come.  That's the one Joe Newman was lost in.  Haven't nailed down the individual aircraft letter yet but working on it

Yes I remember you mentioning that when the Spit8 came out. I think in regards to the Code Letter, we should enlist the help of Scherf, as he seems to have mastered the Australian National Library website.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 03, 2010, 03:15:11 AM
Lol well scrub the Scherf reference:) Nice find.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on March 03, 2010, 04:32:32 AM

Ooh He said "Jehovah" !
stone him, stone him.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Martyn on March 05, 2010, 07:18:30 AM
Is he not stoned already?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 08, 2010, 01:14:11 AM
Interesting comments from the 600 Squadron history regarding the Merlin Beau Mk II. They flew Mk If, Mk IIf and VIf from 41-45

"The Beaufighter is a great aircraft, the Merlin is a great engine.  Together they are a great disaster."

According to W/C Pearson, who commanded 600 Squadron in 41-42.

"The Beaufighter IIf was an unnecessary and dangerous aeroplane, and one that no one had ever asked for.  It seems it was ordered because the Rolls Royce Merlin engines which supplied it's power gave more at high altitude than the Hercules for which the Beaufighter was designed.  It was intended to counter a high level threat that never materialized.  The change of engines altered the center of gravity and made the aircraft unstable on the ground at low speeds.  This in turn gave it a tendency to swerve off to the right at take off and a coarse use of rudder was needed to keep it straight.  A very serious defect was known as "The Shimmy".  This was a violent vibration generated at the tail end of the aircraft after landing but extending to the whole fuselage."

F/S Spry joined 600 in September 41.  "The Beaufighter II was a recipe for disaster.  It swung violently on take off and landing.  Though I loved the Beau as an aircraft, I did not particularly like the Merlin Beaufighters."  During  his first months with the squadron he discovered other eccentricities of the Mk II.  No matter how the plane was trimmed, it would never fly straight and level hands off.

Needless to say it was not a popular bird.  So about that Beaufighter VIf :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plawranc on March 08, 2010, 04:57:21 AM

Ooh He said "Jehovah" !

*Grab Giant Rock*
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 08, 2010, 12:51:05 PM
Well you guys are truly scrooged now.  Raptor has eliminated this worthless piece of aluminum from the "aircraft poll".   We know that what he is doing will be the final say in all things aircraft.   :neener:  :cheers:

Time to start another lost cause.  :old:   Maybe you can start asking for it on a new "aircraft pole" which would make it about as useful as it ever was back in the day.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 08, 2010, 03:04:10 PM
Never give up!  Never surrender!......er.....Beaufighter VIf please :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on March 08, 2010, 11:42:21 PM
Dangit!

About six months ago I bought a Copy of Thunderbolt by Robt. Johnson.

Problem is I just received a copy of Beaufighters in the night about 417

squadron USAAF.  In Africa and the Med the 417th had Beaus given to them

by the Brits....without spare parts!  The 417th had a hack B25 that they used to

scour the Med looking for spare parts.  They had a rought time.

The dangit part is I've not got to the Johnson Book yet because of Beaufighters

in the night.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 09, 2010, 03:30:52 AM
Well you guys are truly scrooged now.  Raptor has eliminated this worthless piece of aluminum from the "aircraft poll".   We know that what he is doing will be the final say in all things aircraft.   :neener:  :cheers:

Time to start another lost cause.  :old:   Maybe you can start asking for it on a new "aircraft pole" which would make it about as useful as it ever was back in the day.

Even if Raptor was HTC incarnate, and we end up with something else, it doesn't mean we have Lost. ! It will be just one of many battles, we will overcome !
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 09, 2010, 10:52:06 PM
I'm telling ya, the Beau and I were made for each other! :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighters/BentBeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 10, 2010, 06:30:04 AM
Even if Raptor was HTC incarnate, and we end up with something else, it doesn't mean we have Lost. ! It will be just one of many battles, we will overcome !

I must be losing my mind.

I shot down a triad of low twins this w/e as they were making a low torpedo (never saw any fish or bombs released) run on my CV. I should say, "the ack and I shot down", but whatevah.

Back to the point, I only got two quick passes in but they looked to me like a set of Boofs. I figured there was a beta out there. They were probably just Bostons or A20's in some sort of invasion stripe with tan camo livery...

The strangest part: I recall no icon. It was lw MA Blue.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 10, 2010, 08:44:25 AM
I must be losing my mind.

I shot down a triad of low twins this w/e as they were making a low torpedo (never saw any fish or bombs released) run on my CV. I should say, "the ack and I shot down", but whatevah.

Back to the point, I only got two quick passes in but they looked to me like a set of Boofs. I figured there was a beta out there. They were probably just Bostons or A20's in some sort of invasion stripe with tan camo livery...

The strangest part: I recall no icon. It was lw MA Blue.


Probably Ki67's ? Except for the invasion strip.. the Tan camo would be the ki's.. Pity you didn't get a film of it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 10, 2010, 11:09:33 AM
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/ju88a4/skin4.jpg)

Note: Pilot reporting to be sent back to aircraft ID class.  Mis-identifying such a fine plane as the Ju88 as one of those worthless boflexters.  :)

[edit] Hey this is actually a great break.  The BooFliter need not be added.  You guys can just fly the Ju88 in that paint scheme.  It does all you want the Bristol for!  See problem solved.  Close thread please.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 10, 2010, 11:55:53 AM
<Smacks Fencer>  Go play in a Mustang thread or something :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on March 10, 2010, 03:14:07 PM
Someone has a great deal of time on his hands  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 12, 2010, 02:31:38 AM
Just cause it's pretty and I can't find any enthusiasm for WWI  Aussie Beau Mk 21
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighters/AussieBeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 12, 2010, 05:35:41 AM
Just cause it's pretty and I can't find any enthusiasm for WWI  Aussie Beau Mk 21
quote]


No argument here - on either point. I think WWI is destined to be the tired toy discarded in the corner - once everyone's gone there and had a few minutes mindless dalliance.

OTOH, the tire rumble and squeak is truly enjoyable. Thanks, HT, for that.

As for the Beau, I can't help but feel the dude sitting under the dorsal blister probably spends a lot of time thumbwrestling with cyclops.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 13, 2010, 09:18:31 PM
Just cause it's pretty and I can't find any enthusiasm for WWI  Aussie Beau Mk 21
quote]

As for the Beau, I can't help but feel the dude sitting under the dorsal blister probably spends a lot of time thumbwrestling with cyclops.

Took me a nano second to decipher that, lol. I guess its a fairly boring task away from the front line, considering the amount of accidents they had, it would be a pretty dangerous task as well.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on March 13, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
If I remember a statement from HTC stated that HTC wanted to make another update....then WWI.

I guess the rough runway and a few small other issues were the update.

As I thought the WWI arena is starting to dwindle.  Just as in AW it had its'  WWI followers.

But the money is in the LW arenas......

Where's the Beaufighter?  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on March 18, 2010, 09:36:07 AM
Sorry, existing plane remodel. :noid  I'm all for a Beaufighter though.

 :banana:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 18, 2010, 12:16:19 PM
That was nice to see from Pyro.  There's still hope! :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on March 18, 2010, 11:38:41 PM
:banana:
:rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 19, 2010, 12:02:45 AM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Czech20052.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 19, 2010, 01:15:59 AM
Gotta love those cannon :)

From the 39 Squadron history

"Once airborne and over the coast we dropped right down to zero feet and set off on the 300 mile flight to the patrol area.  The Squadron took great pride in flying lower then anyone else, not only to avoid radar detection, but also to more easily spot enemy aircraft silhouetted against the skyline.  Shipping was also easier to spot that way..."

Now that's low flying when you are looking up at the ships!  My kind of cartoon flying :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 19, 2010, 01:22:02 AM
I've read a lot of accounts of Mossie squadrons doing that too.  Of course, in many cases they are the same crews we're talking about, and even when that isn't true, the missions were often the same.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 19, 2010, 01:29:41 AM
I've read a lot of accounts of Mossie squadrons doing that too.  Of course, in many cases they are the same crews we're talking about, and even when that isn't true, the missions were often the same.

And well expect the Mossie drivers to be participating in these raids as they did for real    Mossies, Beaus and RAF Mustang escorts to Norway going after shipping..  I'm all for it :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 19, 2010, 02:06:16 AM
Low is good :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Lowalt.jpg)

Even mostly low is good
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/CBIBeaus.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on March 19, 2010, 08:44:54 AM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Czech20052.jpg)

thats in suspiciously good condition, is it being restored to airworthy?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 19, 2010, 10:35:17 AM
thats in suspiciously good condition, is it being restored to airworthy?

I dont believe so, static, but I'll let Lyric tell it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 19, 2010, 11:35:05 PM
thats in suspiciously good condition, is it being restored to airworthy?

I think it's the Duxford bird and it's meant to be a flyer.  They are having trouble tracking down engines that fit however and props I believe.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 20, 2010, 09:48:18 AM
(http://www.gosfordhobbies.com.au/shop/images/P/LGE%20LGE-05.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on March 20, 2010, 12:57:20 PM
(http://www.gosfordhobbies.com.au/shop/images/P/LGE%20LGE-05.jpg)
they are more powerful than that
(http://www.time-management-techniques.com/image-files/hamster_wheel.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 20, 2010, 09:09:10 PM
thats in suspiciously good condition, is it being restored to airworthy?
Static I think.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagesofaviation/3988369944/in/set-72157601982785906/
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 20, 2010, 09:12:53 PM
Mission Impossible IV - "Raid On Dayton"

(http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/061019-f-1234b-001.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 20, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Mission Impossible IV - "Raid On Dayton"

(http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/061019-f-1234b-001.jpg)
Ahh another former RAAF bird at the museum repainted for the American consumer. :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on March 20, 2010, 11:02:58 PM
Fencer thanks for the desktop!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 20, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
You are getting old, I sent you a link to that pic months ago.  Told you that you needed to road trip down and see it.  Such a completely worthless aircraft in amongst the finest in American Aviation is worth at least 30 secs as you walk past to the B-24.  :D  Besides the P-47D and P-38 are right on around to the left.  As well as a Fw-190D and Bf-109G... Oh and god's (and North American Aviation's) gift to combat aircraft the P-51D.  They even got a really cool A6M2 there which is right across from that twin engined thingee in the pic..   http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090303-F-1234S-004.jpg

Because your eyesight is going, here is the link to it so you can get it full sized. 

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/061019-f-1234b-001.jpg

Oh and here is the gallery before they ruined it with substandard aircraft.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050209-F-1234P-055.jpg

(http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050209-F-1234P-055.jpg)

Oughta have a "find the plane" contest with this picture.. anyone see the Fw-190?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 20, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/umpCA4LLC8B-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 20, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/beaufighter.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bravoa8 on March 20, 2010, 11:51:42 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/umpCA4LLC8B-3.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Easyscor on March 20, 2010, 11:56:48 PM
I can't see past the P-61, I try to locate the Bo, but my eyes won't track. ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Banshee7 on March 21, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
You are getting old, I sent you a link to that pic months ago.  Told you that you needed to road trip down and see it.  Such a completely worthless aircraft in amongst the finest in American Aviation is worth at least 30 secs as you walk past to the B-24.  :D  Besides the P-47D and P-38 are right on around to the left.  As well as a Fw-190D and Bf-109G... Oh and god's (and North American Aviation's) gift to combat aircraft the P-51D.  They even got a really cool A6M2 there which is right across from that twin engined thingee in the pic..   http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090303-F-1234S-004.jpg

Because your eyesight is going, here is the link to it so you can get it full sized. 

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/061019-f-1234b-001.jpg

Oh and here is the gallery before they ruined it with substandard aircraft.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050209-F-1234P-055.jpg

(http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050209-F-1234P-055.jpg)

Oughta have a "find the plane" contest with this picture.. anyone see the Fw-190?

When was that last picture taken?  I seem to remember a Niki beside the tail of the B-29 when we went last year
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 21, 2010, 04:32:02 AM
When was that last picture taken?  I seem to remember a Niki beside the tail of the B-29 when we went last year
It is an old view from over head floor plan has been changed quite a bit.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on March 21, 2010, 08:45:02 AM
Static I think.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3442/3988369944_b9d77608cd.jpg)

ok thats the Duxford beau, as Guppy said it will be airworthy at some point :rock but its a long resto, details here:
http://fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/beaufighter/index.php (http://fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/beaufighter/index.php)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 21, 2010, 01:00:57 PM
It is an old view from over head floor plan has been changed quite a bit.

Its not too far off.  Its way more updated than the layout they had for many many many many years..  I love the fact they are also doing something other than just parking the planes randomly.  The grouping is better, the displays better (B-25 on CV deck, P-39 in Alaska).

I note the Beaufighter is missing as is the N1K2... but the rest of it is were I last saw it at..

Anyone find the Fw-190 yet?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 21, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3442/3988369944_b9d77608cd.jpg)

ok thats the Duxford beau, as Guppy said it will be airworthy at some point :rock but its a long resto, details here:
http://fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/beaufighter/index.php (http://fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/beaufighter/index.php)

I have a pic around here from 1999 at Duxford, don't think they are working too fast on that sucker.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 21, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
Anyone find the Fw-190 yet?
Yes it is right here when I took it's picture a few weeks back.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/050209-F-1234P-055-1.jpg)











(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fencer51 on March 22, 2010, 10:59:31 AM
Ahh no fair actually going there and looking.  :P
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 23, 2010, 10:27:29 PM
Interesting artwork from the 39 Squadron history.  Nav compartment in a T Mk 10
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/NavBeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 24, 2010, 04:51:38 AM
How resilient do you think the radials would be against the field ack in AH? In the mossie, it just has to go within visual range of the field and the radiator will be hit.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plazus on March 24, 2010, 09:21:04 AM
How resilient do you think the radials would be against the field ack in AH? In the mossie, it just has to go within visual range of the field and the radiator will be hit.

That is because the Mossies have radial engines. Im pretty sure the Beau's engines would be tough, much like that of the Jug. We would have to see.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: pwnorris on March 24, 2010, 10:04:17 AM
The Mossie has in-line engines like the P-51 and the Spitfire.  It gives them a nice narrow frontal area.  But, having that tight cowl requires the engines to be liquid cooled.  That is part of the weakness of these aircraft.  That's why a single .30 bullet could bring down a Mustang.

The Jug, as with the A-20 Havoc, uses radial engines.  No liquid cooling system to knock out.  The P-47 was known to keep flying even after the odd cylendar or two had been blown off. :aok  The Beaufighter would have this advantage.  The question is whether her engines were as capable as the R-2800.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 24, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
How resilient do you think the radials would be against the field ack in AH? In the mossie, it just has to go within visual range of the field and the radiator will be hit.

27 Squadron which operated Beaus in the CBI were given some Mossies for testing in combat conditions.

It was slightly faster on the deck but had less firepower then the Beau with 4 303s vs 6 to go with the 4 20mm.  Quoting David Innes, a Beau driver with 27 Squadron.

"The first reaction of Beaufighter crews at Agartala was one of reservation, for the Mossie did not seem to have the airframe strength desirable for low level attacks where there was always the risk of aircraft hitting objects such as trees during attacks."

"Three other aircraft had lucky escapes.  Sgt Gunn hit a tree at Pyawbwe, causing extensive damage to the starboard wing.  F/O Hassel hit unseen trip wires at Gwa Bay which damaged the port undercarriage door, the exhaust and airscrew, while Sgt. Hartness 'collected' an iron rod that was protruding from the top of  a pagoda, which wrapped itself around the port wing, and effectively locked the aileron.  All three aircraft were flown back to Agartala and the fact they had been rather badly damaged indicates how tough were the Beaufighters.  One could only surmise what would have happend if the aircraft had been Mosquitos."


So at least in the low level ground attack role the Beau's were flying, there seemed to be some concerns. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 24, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
Dunno about the accuracy of their assessments there, Dan.  I've a photo of a Mossie 6 that had the cannons ripped from the aircraft when it collided with the mast of a U-Boat.  It did bring the German naval ensign back though.  It not all that unusual for Mossies to bring back souvenirs from sorties over the continent, most often vegetation, but sometimes man made things too.

As for the engines, well, like all radials they lack the radiators that the Mosquito's Merlins require, so pretty much think of a Spitfire compared to an F4U when comparing the Mossie to the Beaufighter, as far as the engines are concerned.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 24, 2010, 09:48:34 PM
Dunno about the accuracy of their assessments there, Dan.  I've a photo of a Mossie 6 that had the cannons ripped from the aircraft when it collided with the mast of a U-Boat.  It did bring the German naval ensign back though.  It not all that unusual for Mossies to bring back souvenirs from sorties over the continent, most often vegetation, but sometimes man made things too.

As for the engines, well, like all radials they lack the radiators that the Mosquito's Merlins require, so pretty much think of a Spitfire compared to an F4U when comparing the Mossie to the Beaufighter, as far as the engines are concerned.

Only specific quote I could find :)

Obviously this is from one Squadron operating in the CBI.  I do think it would be reasonable to conclude, like the Mustang vs Jug in ground attack, that the surviability in a radial bird like the Beau was higher in that specific, on the deck role. 

The easiest comparison I suppose would be Mossie vs Beau losses in the runs to Norway against the shipping.  Banff vs Dalachy or something like that.  Waiting on a book on the Strike Wings right now, so maybe I can check that out.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Banshee7 on March 24, 2010, 11:25:17 PM
Ahh no fair actually going there and looking.  :P

That's why I didn't post where it was at :P


Here's my picture, lyric...I think yo had a better camera :/
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/banshee7_2007/Dayton%202009/airshowdaytonohio2009071.jpg) (http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/banshee7_2007/Dayton%202009/?action=view&current=airshowdaytonohio2009071.jpg)

To stay on topic:
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/banshee7_2007/Dayton%202009/airshowdaytonohio2009051.jpg) (http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/banshee7_2007/Dayton%202009/?action=view&current=airshowdaytonohio2009051.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 27, 2010, 01:59:24 AM
Fnished a nice Book tonite.

"Looking backwards over Burma-Wartime Recollections of an RAF Beaufighter Navigator" by Dennis Spencer DFC.  2009 publication so a new one.  A great read covering 211 Squadron's part in the air war over Burma to fo with 177 and 27 squadrons.   Low level, more low level, bad weather, monsoons, rockets, flak, etc.

A good read for the Beaufighter junkies like myself.

Picked up the 404 Squadron RCAF history and it has a nice photo section on their time with the Beaufighter operating with the Dallachy Strike Wing.

Continuing the hunt for more Beaufighter information in print too!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 29, 2010, 11:26:23 PM
You really are a junkie :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 30, 2010, 01:30:13 AM
You really are a junkie :)

Yep it's bad :)

They fought such a different war, in particular in the Pacific and CBI.  Weather a major player.  Low level ops.  Missions made up of 2-6 planes at most.  Not the ETO load up the mob and go stuff

I remember a night in the AvA way back when weather was present, low icon range, wind etc and it was a totally different challenge.  I keep imagining using the Beau in as much of a historical role as possible in the MA which would mean low level, long range, interdiction.  Find me trains, shipping, flak guns etc to use those rockets and 4 20mms on :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on March 30, 2010, 06:22:32 AM
There's one called "No Hero, Just A Survivor" by a gent who was on Beaus in the Eastern Med, followed by Mossies in India and Burma. Might be worth a look, especially as it has a Mosquito on the cover!

Good 404 Sqn stuff here: http://www.404squadron.com/index.html

Excellent 211 Sqn stuff here: http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/

Both units ended up on the Mossie in the last throes of their war, hence my interest.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 30, 2010, 11:41:29 AM
There's one called "No Hero, Just A Survivor" by a gent who was on Beaus in the Eastern Med, followed by Mossies in India and Burma. Might be worth a look, especially as it has a Mosquito on the cover!

Good 404 Sqn stuff here: http://www.404squadron.com/index.html

Excellent 211 Sqn stuff here: http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/

Both units ended up on the Mossie in the last throes of their war, hence my interest.

The 211 site lead me to Spencer's book :)

An interesting Mossie photo in the 404 squadron book shows a flight attacking a U-Boat in April 45. What's interesting is the rocket rail set up as it appears they have 4 rockets on each wing but in pairs one on top of the other so only 4 sets of rails.  Don't remember seeing it set up that way on before.  Guess I'll have to get the scanner going :)

The other book you mentioned is on my find it list :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on March 30, 2010, 11:46:48 AM
iirc they used stacked RP-3 rockets on typhies - 4 on the top row, 2 on the bottom on each wing, so its possible.

yup, 12 rocket typhies :rock I can only imagine what the stacked rails did for its drag and maneuverability tho :uhoh
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on March 30, 2010, 03:11:37 PM
The 2x2 rocket setup allowed the Mossies to carry both rockets and drop tanks at the same time, though for obvious reasons the tanks had to be dropped before the rockets could be fired. There was a also a flat piece of metal between the tanks and the rockets to prevent the drops from weathervaning into the rockets when the former were jettisoned.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on March 30, 2010, 06:52:26 PM
Apparently this is Beaufighter guncam film:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=52540

I believe the big jobbie coming under fire is a Cant Z.506, though it looks to have German markings.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 31, 2010, 12:12:17 AM
Apparently this is Beaufighter guncam film:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=52540

I believe the big jobbie coming under fire is a Cant Z.506, though it looks to have German markings.

Those trees look awfully close!  Note the pilot had to pull up before nosing back down on his gun run :)

Love that Pathe site for WW2 gunfilm.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on March 31, 2010, 12:24:31 AM
Yeah, sometimes I find myself watching the trees more than the target. "Dude, pull up! Uh, dude ... Dude! Pull UP!"

There's quite a lot of guncam stuff there. I've even seen one which sadly depicts a fatal friendly-fire attack on a Mossie.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 31, 2010, 12:31:02 AM
Yeah, sometimes I find myself watching the trees more than the target. "Dude, pull up! Uh, dude ... Dude! Pull UP!"

There's quite a lot of guncam stuff there. I've even seen one which sadly depicts a fatal friendly-fire attack on a Mossie.

Saw that one too.  4th FG Mustangs in October 44 if I remember right. Painful to watch when you know the outcome is a downed mossie and two dead RAF flyers :(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 31, 2010, 12:34:44 AM
Wow the dreaded double post! :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on March 31, 2010, 07:25:36 AM
Ok...I love you guys....but let's keep this on topic. 


Where the hell is the Beaufighter?   :bolt:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on March 31, 2010, 08:37:44 AM
Apparently this is Beaufighter guncam film:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=52540

I believe the big jobbie coming under fire is a Cant Z.506, though it looks to have German markings.

Wow, great site, thans Scherf
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: doleboy on March 31, 2010, 10:02:07 AM
Where the hell is the Beaufighter?   :bolt:

Here ya go, Hajo!!!!
(http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n453/ufuka/beaufighter.gif)
 :bolt:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ACE on March 31, 2010, 10:38:06 AM
lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jay on April 01, 2010, 08:55:09 AM
would love to see the beaufighter but ONLY after the update the mossi  :rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2010, 09:58:43 AM
Beaufighter first !



-Spektor
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on April 01, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
would love to see the beaufighter but ONLY after the update the mossi  :rock

I have a funny feeling that your wish may come true ...  :pray
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on April 03, 2010, 01:19:40 AM
Found some secret film of HTC working on the Beaufighter for us.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12841

Also some film of the first BOSS mission.  Note the ditching Beau as well as the low flying.
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=23429

And we wouldn't want to forget the Aussies.  Some good internal views of the Beau in action.
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12212

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on April 06, 2010, 11:29:42 PM
I like all those old films
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on April 08, 2010, 08:39:30 PM
There's some more old films here:

http://resources.ushmm.org/film/search/index.php

There's some pretty grim stuff there (Holocaust Museum) however there are also a lot of colour films from the USAAF, VE day in the UK, etc.

There's also one extraordinary clip, apparently shot by Anthony Fokker himself, of Jasta 1 pilots and aircraft in WWI (naturally, Goering is the interest for the museum). DVIIs, a DVIII, Voss and his triplane, even what looks like a captured Spad.

Search on Richthofen.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on April 12, 2010, 09:33:11 PM
There's some more old films here:

http://resources.ushmm.org/film/search/index.php

There's some pretty grim stuff there (Holocaust Museum) however there are also a lot of colour films from the USAAF, VE day in the UK, etc.

There's also one extraordinary clip, apparently shot by Anthony Fokker himself, of Jasta 1 pilots and aircraft in WWI (naturally, Goering is the interest for the museum). DVIIs, a DVIII, Voss and his triplane, even what looks like a captured Spad.

Search on Richthofen.

Thanks Scherf, just need the time to go through it all.

Dan we need more photo's.

Tks.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on April 13, 2010, 12:22:41 AM

Where the hell is the Beaufighter?   :bolt:
+1  :aok  Beaufighter.......please
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 10, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
Getting tougher to find Beaufighter books.  Seems like I've managed to track down the written squadron histories now and the general reference stuff.  Found a copy of "The Strike Wings" by Roy Nesbit, that covers the history of the Beau and Mossie Strike Wings operating out of England with Coastal Command.  A very good history.

Found a couple of interesting photos too.

No more pilot wounds from a shot to the cockpit.  20mm hit dead center.  Dust and glass splinters inside but no one hurt.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauFlakhit.jpg)

I didn't realize that Beau's had dive brakes.  At least the T Mk X Torbeaus did.  Apparently the idea was to dive down from high level, then level out on the deck and drop the torp.  The Strike Wings didn't do this much however, preferring to fly their missions on the deck.  That's some serious flap out
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TorbeauFlaps.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on May 10, 2010, 10:42:29 PM
would love to see the beaufighter but ONLY after the update the mossi  :rock
well
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on May 10, 2010, 10:42:47 PM
No more pilot wounds from a shot to the cockpit.  20mm hit dead center.  Dust and glass splinters inside but no one hurt.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauFlakhit.jpg)

Somewhere, a German AA gunner is yelling "Hakkzorz!"
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 10, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
Bring on the Beau!  And bring on supply convoys with freighters and flak ships, not just barges.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jay on May 11, 2010, 12:55:54 AM
i bet that pilot needed a change of pants after that flight  :O
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 11, 2010, 01:08:04 AM
Bring on the Beau!  And bring on supply convoys with freighters and flak ships, not just barges.

Amen.

Mustangs, Mossies and Beau's.  All it takes for a nice run to Norway :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 11, 2010, 01:44:09 AM
i bet that pilot needed a change of pants after that flight  :O
I don't think so actually.  By the time you can process what just happened, it is also clear that you're just fine, so the danger is past.

I recall reading that in Stanford Tuck's second sortie over Dunkirk his Spitfire took a 20mm round to the cockpit just like that when he did an HO with a Bf110C and the bullet proof wind screen, which had just been installed between his first and second sorties, stopped the shot.  As I recall, the Bf110 didn't take as well to his eight .303s.  Tuck didn't seem, in his book, particularly put out by it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 26, 2010, 11:14:40 PM
In my ongoing quest to find any an all Beaufighter books, I came across a privately printed book that proves once and for all we have to have the Beau in AH.  It's clearly meant to be my plane!

"The Bristol Beaufighter Crash Log"  compiled by David Smith.

800 Category E losses of Beaus, not related to combat but due to pilot error, engine failures, shoot downs by friendlies etc.  While not making light of the human cost in a real war, it is amazing to see the details of some of the losses.  Just a few examples

-Swung on take off, overcorrected, ran off runway into sand, still attempted take off and hit windsock
-See  flying low and slow then propellor tips hit water.
-Dived into the ground on an air firing exercise.
--Swung on take off, collided with huts.
-Struck tree in the dark.
-overshot and collided with a building
-Undershot landing, hit house
-Shot down in error by friendly anti-aircraft fire.
-Low level camera gun attacks on house, pilot misjudged distance and struck roof.
-Crashed after attempted take off by two unqualified airmen who had escaped from the guardroom.
-Overshooting, swung to avoid a row of hangers, became airborne, but stalled and crashed.
-Crashed due to pilot being blinded by search light beams
-Heavy landing due to sun glare and salt on the windscreen from low flying over the sea.
-Force landed on approach .  Pilot forgot to change tanks due to excitment from probably destroying an E/A on his first operation.
-Hit hill while circling the airfield.  Pilot was probably watching another aircraft burning on the ground.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Crashlog.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 26, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
The ground is a harsh mistress.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on May 26, 2010, 11:39:37 PM
Sounds like a run down of last nights AHII session for me.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plazus on May 27, 2010, 10:43:37 AM
Good find! And +1 for the Beau!  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on May 27, 2010, 11:25:12 AM
I wonder what the rudder authority is like on this pig? I couldn't help but wonder, looking at that photo.

Otherwise, +1 on the scow. It should make a fun target, though shooting it down, much like shagging a WHALE, will only count like half a notch.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jdbecks on May 27, 2010, 01:30:26 PM
Quote
-Crashed after attempted take off by two unqualified airmen who had escaped from the guardroom.

 :rofl good to see the British squadie mentality has not changed in 60 or so years, my fellow brit serviceman/vets will understand   ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tinribs on May 27, 2010, 02:38:45 PM
Ive said this before in another thread but Ill say it again in cased you missed it,Ive met pilots who flew the beaufighter and the mossie and most of em preferd the beaufighter the main reasons being far easier to take off and land,generally very docile to fly but responsive when you needed it,all said they felt very secure and "safe" in it.
A very definite YES to the beaufighter from me.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on May 27, 2010, 03:07:23 PM
Ive said this before in another thread but Ill say it again in cased you missed it,Ive met pilots who flew the beaufighter and the mossie and most of em preferd the beaufighter the main reasons being far easier to take off and land,generally very docile to fly but responsive when you needed it,all said they felt very secure and "safe" in it.
A very definite YES to the beaufighter from me.

That's interesting, my impression was that the Beaufighter was rather taxing to fly, being very difficult to fly "hands off" and required a great deal of attention to keep it flying true as evident by later model Beau's having a pronounce dihedral to the horizontal stabilizer.

Of course I know if you ask 10 different pilots their opinions on something you're likely to get 10 different answers. :)
 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tinribs on May 27, 2010, 03:25:07 PM
All said that the torque on a mossie on take off was a real handfull but I think most had a lot more hours on the beafighter than the mossie so it could be a case of preffering what you were more used to.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on May 27, 2010, 03:28:45 PM
I wonder what the rudder authority is like on this pig? I couldn't help but wonder, looking at that photo.

Otherwise, +1 on the scow. It should make a fun target, though shooting it down, much like shagging a WHALE, will only count like half a notch.

hehe, the Beau will do just fine when it finally gets here....
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Magoo on May 27, 2010, 10:14:05 PM
So it's official. We get the Beaufighter and the Oscar :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tupac on May 29, 2010, 10:41:04 AM
+1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: danny76 on May 29, 2010, 12:23:40 PM
I think that the beaufighter should be added.

It was a very important aircraft in the war in Europe, and was also used much in the pacific campaign in the Royal Australian Air Force where it was nick named by the Japanese " Whispering Death"

here is some basic information on it :

First Flight: July 17, 1939

It was powered by 2 x bristol 1770 Horsepower Hercules XVII 14-cylinder air-cooled radials.

Armament: 4 x 20mm cannons and 6 x .303 MG's, Had 1 .303 dorsal gunner position. 1 x 1600lbs or 1 x 2127 lbs torpedo + 2 x 500lbs bombs and 8 x 3" rockets.

Max speed: 318 mph
Ceiling: 15,000 ft
range: 1470mph
climb rate: 5,000ft in 3 minutes 30 seconds

btw i didn't copy and paste any of this ;)

-KCTHUNDR ( Happy new year only 24 minutes  :D)

Definately +1

I think the number of requests for the Beau should really warrant it's expeditious inclusion in AH
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jay on June 01, 2010, 03:38:26 PM
Hit hill while circling the airfield.  Pilot was probably watching another aircraft burning on the ground

Crashed due to pilot being blinded by search light beams



my favorite :furious
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on June 01, 2010, 08:56:07 PM
Quote
-Swung on take off, overcorrected, ran off runway into sand, still attempted take off and hit windsock
the Beau definately has a place in AHII
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jay on June 02, 2010, 12:32:04 AM
Hit hill while circling the airfield.  Pilot was probably watching another aircraft burning on the ground

Crashed due to pilot being blinded by search light beams



my favorite :furious

wrong emote oh well lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 02, 2010, 01:26:32 AM
Ya gotta love that Beau.  This is a very late T MK X with the thimble radar nose and added vertical fin area.   Torps and Rockets while out on the prowl.  Apparently the torp for the Torbeau was modified to be dropped between 250 and 300 knots.  THat might make a run in on a task group a bit more interesting.

Needless to say I still want one :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighter-Mark-X.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Charge on June 02, 2010, 03:10:05 AM
Beau is schweet but 410 is still schweeter!

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=180322

 :D

-C+
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Wmaker on June 02, 2010, 11:48:23 AM
Something I thought was fitting to this thread...

...a poem by Gavin Ewart.

Fairly sobering if you think about it...


When a Beau Goes In

When a Beau goes in,
Into the drink,
It makes you think,
Because, you see, they always sink
But nobody says 'Poor lad'
Or goes about looking sad
Because, you see, it's war,
It's the unalterable law,

Although it's perfectly certain
The pilot's gone for a Burton
And the observer too
It's nothing to do with you
And if they both should go
To a land where falls no rain nor hail
nor driven snow -
Here, there, or anywhere,
Do you suppose they care?

You shouldn't cry
Or say a prayer or sigh.
In the cold sea, in the dark
It isn't a lark
But it isn't original sin -
It's just a Beau going in.


:salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 02, 2010, 12:13:17 PM
It's not that God willed it
but the 410 that killed it...


Agreed, 410 is schweeter. If we're very good or very lucky, we'll get to measure them against each other soon.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 02, 2010, 02:21:49 PM
Beau is schweet but 410 is still schweeter!

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=180322

 :D

-C+

ChukW posts on the Hyperscale forums as well.  His model building skills are second to none.  I've been following his 410 build.  He did a Helldiver prior to that.  I wish I had that kind of patience :)

As for the 410, I do believe it would outperform the Beau as it was a later entry into the airwar.  The 410 would be more of the Mossie's competition.  That being said, the Beau has more roles and did more things during WW2 then the 410 could ever have imagined and for a much longer time :)

The Beau and the Ju88 probably followed a more similar path and seemed to run into each other most often in similar roles.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 02, 2010, 03:17:41 PM
ChukW posts on the Hyperscale forums as well.  His model building skills are second to none.  I've been following his 410 build.  He did a Helldiver prior to that.  I wish I had that kind of patience :)

As for the 410, I do believe it would outperform the Beau as it was a later entry into the airwar.  The 410 would be more of the Mossie's competition.  That being said, the Beau has more roles and did more things during WW2 then the 410 could ever have imagined and for a much longer time :)

The Beau and the Ju88 probably followed a more similar path and seemed to run into each other most often in similar roles.

Allow me to hijack then - what about those late-war 88's, in that case?

For example, what about the Ju88G-1? It's got great armament and doesn't give up all that much top end with its 1700 hp Jumos. I'll take the Schragemusik option, por favor, and sidle up under those pesky 17s and 24s...

General characteristics

Crew: 3
Length: 15.50 m (without radar) (50.85 ft)
Wingspan: 20.08 m (65.88 ft)
Height: 5.07 m (16.63 ft)
Wing area: 54.7 m²[citation needed] (587 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,081 kg[47] (20,020 lb)
Loaded weight: 13,100 kg (28,880 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 14,690 kg[47] (32,385 lb) (overload)
Powerplant: 2× BMW 801G-2 double-row radials, 1,250 kW (1,700 PS, 1,677 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 550 km/h (342 mph) at 8,500 m (27,890 ft)
Range: 2,500 km (1,553 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,900 m (32,480 ft)
Wing loading: 240 kg/m² (49.2 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.18 kW/kg (0.12 hp/lb)
Endurance: 4 hours[47]
Armament


Guns:

4 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, firing forwards.
1 or 2 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in the rear cockpit, firing rearwards.
1 or 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20s as Schräge Musik, firing forwards and upwards at an 30-45 degree angle, Optional.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:50 PM
Allow me to hijack then - what about those late-war 88's, in that case?

For example, what about the Ju88G-1? It's got great armament and doesn't give up all that much top end with its 1700 hp Jumos. I'll take the Schragemusik option, por favor, and sidle up under those pesky 17s and 24s...

General characteristics

Crew: 3
Length: 15.50 m (without radar) (50.85 ft)
Wingspan: 20.08 m (65.88 ft)
Height: 5.07 m (16.63 ft)
Wing area: 54.7 m²[citation needed] (587 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,081 kg[47] (20,020 lb)
Loaded weight: 13,100 kg (28,880 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 14,690 kg[47] (32,385 lb) (overload)
Powerplant: 2× BMW 801G-2 double-row radials, 1,250 kW (1,700 PS, 1,677 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 550 km/h (342 mph) at 8,500 m (27,890 ft)
Range: 2,500 km (1,553 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,900 m (32,480 ft)
Wing loading: 240 kg/m² (49.2 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.18 kW/kg (0.12 hp/lb)
Endurance: 4 hours[47]
Armament


Guns:

4 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, firing forwards.
1 or 2 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in the rear cockpit, firing rearwards.
1 or 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20s as Schräge Musik, firing forwards and upwards at an 30-45 degree angle, Optional.


Get your own thread! :)

I'd imagine it's because it was more of a night fighter. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 04, 2010, 02:28:20 AM
Come on, you know you want it! :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/455Beaus.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 23, 2010, 12:48:11 AM
Some really nice footage of Aussie Beau's in action over New Guiniea in 42.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9EevmmgJSM&feature=related

And a nice shot of a 404 Squadron RCAF Beaufighter XI in July 1943

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/2G1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: BrownBaron on June 23, 2010, 12:51:57 AM
Hm. looks like it could dethrone the 110 are HO king.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Delirium on June 23, 2010, 01:01:56 PM
Come on, you know you want it! :)

The last time that happened, my wife told me she was pregnant a bit later.

Do we really want another surprise known as the Beau?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: STXAce8 on June 23, 2010, 02:17:35 PM
+1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Kazaa on June 23, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
Beaufighter, because real men only need 180 degrees horizontal field of view. :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on June 23, 2010, 05:49:04 PM
Apparently the torp for the Torbeau was modified to be dropped between 250 and 300 knots.  That might make a run in on a task group a bit more interesting.

wow that would actually make using torps feasible :aok



btw my BOSS patch will be back when the world cup is over ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plazus on June 23, 2010, 08:07:11 PM
So out of curiosity, how would the Beau hold up against some 109s or Spits? I know its rugged, but is it maneuverable?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on June 23, 2010, 08:49:44 PM
So out of curiosity, how would the Beau hold up against some 109s or Spits? I know its rugged, but is it maneuverable?
Not sure but I would guess not well.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SmokinLoon on June 23, 2010, 09:46:16 PM
So out of curiosity, how would the Beau hold up against some 109s or Spits? I know its rugged, but is it maneuverable?

Based on performance parameters, I'd be willing to bet the AH Mossi and both 110's would fair better in fighter mode than the Beaufighter. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 23, 2010, 11:03:10 PM
Beau wasn't built to fight 109s or 190s.  It was an attack bird.  Think more along the lines of Ju88.  It killed some 110s in it's time as well.

I'm sure there are folks who will get everything out of it and will be able to fight well, but no one has claimed it's uber.  It won't match the Mossie in terms of speed etc.  Just a rugged attack bird with lots of history to it.

Personally along with the history, I would like the challenge of trying to make it work well in the AH world.  Low level, right where I like it :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Squire on June 24, 2010, 04:08:32 PM
Would see action in SEA events to be sure. As an MA ride I think it would disappoint (unless in the EWA or MWA) but thats neither here nor there, just making an observation. I would think it would still be as good as a "light" A-20G from the specs though, so who knows? Thumbs up  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2010, 06:10:41 PM
A new NOE monster is LURKING & awaiting all unsuspecting towns. Furballers beware. Cue JAWS them.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: humble on June 24, 2010, 07:09:29 PM
Based on performance parameters, I'd be willing to bet the AH Mossi and both 110's would fair better in fighter mode than the Beaufighter. 

That depends on a lot of factors. The "new" mossie is a big improvement but it still has area's that an A-20 or a 110 can exploit. I think the Beau will do just fine as a fighter...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 24, 2010, 10:33:08 PM
A new NOE monster is LURKING & awaiting all unsuspecting towns. Furballers beware. Cue JAWS them.

This furballer is waiting patiently for his Beau.  Can't wait to go in under 65 feet with a bunch of Beaufighters :)

I keep finding stories in my Beaufighter books all talking about below 50 feet or a foot off the water etc.  On the deck is where the fun is :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on June 25, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Reading a book called "Beaufighters, BOAC & Me" by Sam Wright. He was a Navigator on Torbeaus with 254 squadron flying out from North Coates over the North Sea attacking shipping.

His is the first of the Beau books from someone who flew Torbeaus and he was describing training to drop torps in Beaus.

"For simplicity each exercise had an abbreviation.  ALT (Attack Light Torpedo) was innocuous enough so we progressed to ART (Attack Running Torpedo).  We then tackled the more difficult flying in the FALT (Formation Attack Light Torpedo).  When the attack was done with running torpedoes the abbreviation FART was used..."

You can't make this stuff up :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on August 07, 2010, 05:14:04 PM
Can almost taste it.


(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab228/dlynn185/rolling-stones-tongue-logo.png)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan3-18.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: cactuskooler on September 07, 2010, 02:18:22 AM
Ok, I'm ready for the Beaufighter.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MXu96taKq-Y/S7i5QQpnZiI/AAAAAAAAJlE/ZiopREMXe-4/s1600/13.jpg)(http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/farflung/images/27629beaufighters_500.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MXu96taKq-Y/S7i-uhZgQwI/AAAAAAAAJls/XkaPPDMGmk4/s1600/17.jpg)(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MXu96taKq-Y/S7jAFBAZoVI/AAAAAAAAJl8/PDZspSe6W9M/s1600/21.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on September 07, 2010, 02:26:08 AM
lovely pictures
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 07, 2010, 12:57:58 PM
I'd love to see the Beaufighter, Me410 and Ki-45 all added in v2.21.  Fantasy though...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on September 08, 2010, 02:33:11 PM
Now if only we had freighter convoy's and lone merchant ships to smash up with these things....   :devil
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 21, 2010, 05:32:38 PM
Beaufighters attacking a Japanese air field.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/zeroandbeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: DEECONX on October 22, 2010, 05:22:00 AM
Beautiful!  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on October 22, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
great pic lyric, where did you pull that from?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on October 22, 2010, 03:23:18 PM
 Dan,you mention the verticle fillet afew posts back and I started looking closer at the different marks.

  Could you give me the short version of when the changes were made,oh and when the dihedral was added to the tail?


   :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 22, 2010, 03:51:56 PM
great pic lyric, where did you pull that from?
I purchased two DVD's from back home.
The previous photo was from this one.
http://reviews.media-culture.org.au/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3365

The next screen shots came from this DVD.
It is all origanal colour film not colourised at all.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ANZACS.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2_5R5TUfd8

London Blitz.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/LONDONBLITZ.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/LONDONBLITZ2.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/LONDONBLITZ3.jpg)

Pilot of a RAAF Beaufighter in flight.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/BEAUPILOT.jpg)

RAAF Spit 8.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SPIT8RAAF.jpg)

RAAF B24 gunners attacking barges.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/RAAFB24attackingbarges-1.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/BEAUDAMAGE.jpg)




Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on October 23, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
Dan,you mention the verticle fillet afew posts back and I started looking closer at the different marks.

  Could you give me the short version of when the changes were made,oh and when the dihedral was added to the tail?


   :salute

First was the Mk I that flew as a night fighter and then was used some by the RAF in North Africa and Malta.  It had drum fed cannon and no dihedral on the tail.  The Merlin Mk II followed but was essentially a bust.  The VIF and VIc were next and the dihidral tail was introduced during it's production run to give it better stability. This was mainly for the attack guys in the VIc.  The X, TMk X and XI were the next batch.  The T Mk X was the Torbeau.  Rockets introduced on the X and XI.  Some VI apparently had them retrofitted but it was mainly the X.   Aussies developed their own, the MK 21 which was essentially the same as the X although it had 50s instead of 303s, although because of the rockets the wing guns were rarely fitted.  The fillet for the tail was added in the X production towards the end.   to try and increace stability again.

VIF, T Mk. X would be the two that would cover the most as they did the ETO, MTO, CBI and PTO.  Mk 21 for the Aussies would be nice but they also had VIs and Xs flying in the PTO with the RAAF and since the 50s were rarely carried, the X could be skinned as a Mk 21 if needed.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 23, 2010, 09:44:36 PM
the X could be skinned as a Mk 21 if needed.
Frankly if they don't get the DAP 21 with its butt ugly nose. I don't want any 21 skins on any other frame.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on October 23, 2010, 11:09:59 PM
Frankly if they don't get the DAP 21 with its butt ugly nose. I don't want any 21 skins on any other frame.

No complaints if we got it.  Sad part about the bulge is nothing was under it!  It is a unique look.  I'm just not wanting to ask for too much in the hopes we might get a little bit of Beaufighter someday :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on October 24, 2010, 08:20:50 AM
Just finished reading Torpedo Bomber by Ralph Barker. Copyright 1957.
Originally published in England as The Ship Busters.

Primarily about the Beaufort as a torpedo bomber but with the Beaufighter being used as their
escorts and used in flak suppresion roles.

Was Interesting reading.

We need both variants in AH for Scenarios.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on October 24, 2010, 08:23:29 AM
bring on the Beau!     :cheers:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 05, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/BeaufighterGreece.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 05, 2011, 10:44:52 PM
Thanks Lyric, I needed that :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on March 06, 2011, 12:17:11 AM
Yeah, sometimes I find myself watching the trees more than the target. "Dude, pull up! Uh, dude ... Dude! Pull UP!"
I was hoping he'd dip into that little clearing.

No more pilot wounds from a shot to the cockpit.  20mm hit dead center.  Dust and glass splinters inside but no one hurt.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauFlakhit.jpg)
That's impressive..
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vulkan on March 06, 2011, 03:02:33 PM
Giant +1  :rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Skulls22 on March 06, 2011, 03:36:41 PM
bring on the Beau!     :cheers:

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/BeaufighterGreece.jpg)

Mabey a small bump...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on March 07, 2011, 03:22:10 AM
Who says Beaufighters are inadequate?

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5505177539_3e5796abb6_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: StokesAk on March 07, 2011, 06:02:10 AM
Two engines, yes please.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ACE on March 07, 2011, 07:42:49 AM
Another target to shoot at sure why not.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SDGhalo on March 07, 2011, 11:48:36 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Bristol_Type_156_Beaufighter_ExCC.jpg)

this should be the next upload im all for it

General characteristics

Crew: 2: pilot, observer
Length: 41 ft 4 in (12.6 m)
Wingspan: 57 ft 10 in (17.65 m)
Height: 15 ft 10 in (4.84 m)
Wing area: 503 ft²[15] (46,73 m²)
Empty weight: 15,592 lb (7,072 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 25,400 lb (11,521 kg)
Powerplant: 2× Bristol Hercules 14-cylinder radial engines, 1,600 hp (1,200 kW) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 320 mph (280 kn, 515 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3,050 m)
Range: 1,750 mi (1,520 nmi, 2,816 km)
Service ceiling: 19,000 ft (5,795 m) without torpedo
Rate of climb: 1,600 ft/min (8.2 m/s) without torpedo
Armament


4 × 20 mm Hispano Mk III cannon (60 rpg) in nose
Fighter Command
4 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns (outer starboard wing)
2 × .303 in (7.7 mm) machine gun (outer port wing)
8 × RP-3 "60 lb" (27 kg) rockets or 2× 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Coastal Command
1 × manually-operated Vickers GO or .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning for observer
1 × 18 in (457 mm) torpedo
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on March 07, 2011, 12:15:17 PM
YES  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Raphael on March 07, 2011, 12:23:30 PM
yes indeed
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Skulls22 on March 07, 2011, 02:28:09 PM
I would still love to see this birdie
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on March 07, 2011, 04:39:26 PM
more beau pics please! :aok



forgot to replace my BOSS icon after the world cup last summer. fixed :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on March 07, 2011, 06:11:58 PM
more beau pics please! :aok



forgot to replace my BOSS icon after the world cup last summer. fixed :)
I'll be replacing mine at the end of BoG
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SDGhalo on March 08, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
found a photo of the cockpit
(http://war.by-airforce.com/images/articles/Bristol-Beaufighter-Mk-IC-f.jpg)

in flight
(http://www.kilroywashere.org/09-Images/Woody/BristolBeaufighter.jpg)

and i found this which has a couple of beaufighters fitted with Rolls-Royce Merlin XX
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Bristol_Beaufighter.svg/1000px-Bristol_Beaufighter.svg.png)

this model should be the pick
Beaufighter Mk 21
The Australian-made DAP Beaufighter. Changes included Hercules CVII engines, four 20 mm cannon in the nose, four Browning .50 in (12.7 mm) in the wings and the capacity to carry eight 5 in (130 mm) High-Velocity Aircraft Rockets (HVAR), two 250 lb (110 kg) bombs, two 500 lb (230 kg) bombs and one Mk 13 torpedo
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 08, 2011, 09:43:51 PM
We appreciate the enthusiasm, but please do check the numerous previous posts in this thread before we go over it all again :)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 22, 2011, 05:13:35 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Beaufighter-1.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Beaufighter1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 22, 2011, 05:36:36 PM
this model should be the pick
Beaufighter Mk 21
The Australian-made DAP Beaufighter. Changes included Hercules CVII engines, four 20 mm cannon in the nose, four Browning .50 in (12.7 mm) in the wings and the capacity to carry eight 5 in (130 mm) High-Velocity Aircraft Rockets (HVAR), two 250 lb (110 kg) bombs, two 500 lb (230 kg) bombs and one Mk 13 torpedo
No torpedoes on the DAP MK-21.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Beaufighter2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on March 25, 2011, 03:44:53 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Beaufighter3.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Beaufighter4.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on March 25, 2011, 08:39:23 PM
still yes... :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on March 26, 2011, 02:03:42 PM
Bring On the Beau :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on March 26, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on March 27, 2011, 05:56:16 PM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on March 27, 2011, 06:09:16 PM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tupac on March 27, 2011, 10:59:58 PM
I like turtles
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: 1Nicolas on April 07, 2011, 06:55:07 PM
Good pick! For this new Road to Rangoon scenario,they should add the Beaufighter with a RAF and RAAF paint scheme. I hope The Hitech crew reads it!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on April 07, 2011, 09:55:32 PM
Good pick! For this new Road to Rangoon scenario,they should add the Beaufighter with a RAF and RAAF paint scheme. I hope The Hitech crew reads it!

I'm first on the list for the Beaufighter, but it wasn't operational in the CBI during the Rangoon Scenario time frame.  Later yes, a number of squadrons flew Beaus in the CBI and the Aussies had 30, 31 and 93 Squadrons flying Beau's in the PTO
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ScottyK on April 07, 2011, 10:10:51 PM
I like turtles


 are u painted up like a zombie?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mthrockmor on April 08, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
I was whatever with this plane until I saw a picture of one sporting a 155mm howitzer coming out the front end. Now I'm thinking it would be a great addition. On a related note, what about creating a very simple cargo/transport fleet for the game. Give some planes like this a moving target at sea, something that must be defended. Imagine a cargo/fleet that could launch Hurricanes. I say this because the Brits had a catapult system to launch Hurricans for airdefense. The plane had one mission since it had to ditch in the sea.

I'm ahead of the Beaufighter but some great potetial for the future of Aces High. As much clammering as I read it would seem that a vast majority of 'the regulars' here want this fighter. Bout time we get it.

Boo
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on April 08, 2011, 03:13:54 PM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: StokesAk on April 08, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Eric122 on April 08, 2011, 04:47:53 PM
 +1 for the Beaufighter
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on April 08, 2011, 06:44:01 PM
I


They have started restoring one in Ottawa Canada.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on April 08, 2011, 09:56:03 PM
G
It's about time.  They let that one in Canada sit outside rotting for a long time.  Hope they do up in 404 Squadron markings since those RCAF boys did some serious Beau flying.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 08, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
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Bring it on!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plazus on April 08, 2011, 11:05:20 PM
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T as in it's Time to get the Beaufighter in the game!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tupac on April 08, 2011, 11:09:05 PM
S.........A.............F.... ...E....T......Y......DANCE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Skulls22 on April 08, 2011, 11:28:09 PM
S.........A.............F.......E....T......Y......DANCE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
:bhead
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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 08, 2011, 11:38:42 PM
S.........A.............F.......E....T......Y......DANCE!


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As in how matuRe of you  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tupac on April 08, 2011, 11:41:54 PM
R
As in how matuRe of you  :rolleyes:

 :cool:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Skulls22 on April 08, 2011, 11:44:20 PM
That spells BEAUFIGHTER!! I think one of my relatives flew one of those birds with the RAF, now that I remember I really REALLY want this.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 08, 2011, 11:52:35 PM
:cool:

Hmm, nevermind.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on April 09, 2011, 06:22:06 AM
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It's about time.  They let that one in Canada sit outside rotting for a long time.  Hope they do up in 404 Squadron markings since those RCAF boys did some serious Beau flying.

It was a shame to see it rotting on the Tarmac for Sooo many years.
But its in the restoration hanger now and they are advertising its restoration on the museum floor. It will be done up in the 404 markings.

We need the Beau for the Black Friday Snapshot.  :salute
Beaufighters
P51s
Fw 190s
Flak ships

And a Fjord   :x
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on April 09, 2011, 07:33:46 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tupac on April 10, 2011, 01:22:46 AM
Hmm, nevermind.

Guess I can't have a little fun. I'll go sit in the naughty corner and twiddle my thumbs.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on April 10, 2011, 04:08:57 PM
 :t
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on April 11, 2011, 09:33:51 AM
Really don't need to pad all y'all's post counts on this one. Valid thread, but uncalled for spam-bumping.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on April 11, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
Ahh but it's a good place to talk Beau's without someone starting umpteen threads on it! :)

I've been practicing in mine offline :aok
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighters/BentBeau.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on April 11, 2011, 06:09:30 PM
 :lol
You fly through a wave Guppy ?

Ooops..guess I bumped this.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on April 11, 2011, 07:36:05 PM
Well maybe Krusty we would like a Beaufighter....
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on April 12, 2011, 02:54:40 AM
Forget it.  I posted two flight manuals, sent drawings to HTC of the Beau....couple years ago I believe.

We get the B29 instead.  Got the info from the NASM and found an original flight manual to two models the XX and the torbeau (X).

Dunno what happened.  I rarely play now other things to do.  But the plane that flew in ALL theaters of the War should be in game methinks.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on April 12, 2011, 03:03:10 AM
:lol
You fly through a wave Guppy ?

Ooops..guess I bumped this.

Nah, he put in special props methinks
Forget it.  I posted two flight manuals, sent drawings to HTC of the Beau....couple years ago I believe.

We get the B29 instead.  Got the info from the NASM and found an original flight manual to two models the XX and the torbeau (X).

Dunno what happened.  I rarely play now other things to do.  But the plane that flew in ALL theaters of the War should be in game methinks.

Just my opinion.

I'm pretty sure it will come within a year. It's hard to ignore the longest thread in the wishlist section.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on April 14, 2011, 03:28:44 PM
and you thought it was over hehe.  :t
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on April 14, 2011, 04:44:21 PM
HTC's always done the right thing in the past.

(bats eyes at HT, smiles sweetly)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Skulls22 on April 15, 2011, 06:53:29 PM
HTC's always done the right thing in the past.

(bats eyes at HT, smiles sweetly)

<- Joins in
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on April 21, 2011, 02:57:02 AM
Anyone willing to buy him some Craggenmore?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on April 21, 2011, 05:29:30 AM
Anyone willing to buy him some Craggenmore?
Right , lets setup a site dedicated to the Beaufighter inclusion.
Focus on fundraising for the purpose of supplying Craggenmore in a steady stream to the HTC office.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on April 21, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
Im down  :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ozrocker on April 25, 2011, 08:32:06 AM
Would like to see Beau, and Boomer :aok



                                                       <S> Oz
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 07, 2011, 02:15:51 PM
Right , lets setup a site dedicated to the Beaufighter inclusion.
Focus on fundraising for the purpose of supplying Craggenmore in a steady stream to the HTC office.

(http://www.geaugaconstitutionalcouncil.org/userfiles/image/Brilliant_00.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 07, 2011, 02:42:41 PM
Hmmmm.  a B.O.S.S.  Website.

Interesting thought......:)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on May 08, 2011, 01:47:26 PM
quite.... :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 09, 2011, 03:58:50 PM
Cause who doesn't love cutaways?

(http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/leecoll/BrigandCutaway001.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 09, 2011, 04:23:26 PM
OK so I went a bit overboard.  My tax return gift to myself.  An original Beau Maintenence Manual.  600 pages or so of cutaways, diagrams, details etc.  I guess we can start building our own Beau :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeauManual.jpg)

Maybe the cannon installation first?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Guns.jpg)

Those four 20mms and 1000 rounds of ammo might be kinda fun.  Folks like myself need that big slab of armor plate out front too :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/armor.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on May 09, 2011, 04:26:15 PM
Dammit Guppy, if that ain't the most awesome thing I've seen lately.  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 09, 2011, 04:27:06 PM
LOL well since I'll never have the money for a real one, I can at least imagine putting it back together :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on May 09, 2011, 05:13:57 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Easyscor on May 09, 2011, 10:48:10 PM
 :aok

I hope your book binding holds up, 600 pages, wow. Nice!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 10, 2011, 12:28:20 AM
Man, looking at just those two images makes me really, really want such a document for the Mossie VI.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on May 10, 2011, 01:04:06 AM
Interestingly enough, I found this today when looking for something else:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MXu96taKq-Y/S7i8_EE5bHI/AAAAAAAAJlk/oGv9vEVXMU0/s1600/16.jpg

Looks familiar, no?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 10, 2011, 01:14:50 AM
Man, looking at just those two images makes me really, really want such a document for the Mossie VI.

Sadly not for the VI, but it's a Mossie Manual reprint done by the RAF Museum.  Hurricane and Spit V out there too.  I have the Spit V book.

It's the same deal as the Beau Book, but its for the Mosquito F.Mk.II, N.F.MK.XII, and N.F.Mk.XVII

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=The+Mosquito+manual%3A+The+official+air+publication+for+the+Mosquito+F.Mk.II%2C+N.F.MK.XII%2C+and+N.F.Mk.XVII%2C+1941-1945&x=29&y=10

Not a bad price, at least the first one listed.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 10, 2011, 01:20:11 AM
Cause who doesn't love cutaways?

(http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/leecoll/BrigandCutaway001.jpg)

because I derped.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/leecoll/BrigandCutaway001.jpg)

Also, this is the 667th post on this thread.  :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 10, 2011, 01:23:02 AM
Interestingly enough, I found this today when looking for something else:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MXu96taKq-Y/S7i8_EE5bHI/AAAAAAAAJlk/oGv9vEVXMU0/s1600/16.jpg

Looks familiar, no?

Almost identical angle.  nice Pic :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 10, 2011, 01:30:18 AM
because I derped.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/leecoll/BrigandCutaway001.jpg)

Also, this is the 667th post on this thread.  :noid

That's not a Beaufighter! :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 10, 2011, 02:29:49 AM
Lets get away from that ugly Brigand thing above :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TFX-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 10, 2011, 02:36:28 AM
I herped, and I derped. This will be my last attempt. Don't want to post a cutaway, now I think they're bad luck.
(http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/3477/500x400/bristol-beaufighter.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on May 20, 2011, 11:52:05 AM
 :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on May 20, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
 :x

such a beaut
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on May 20, 2011, 06:39:15 PM
Latest B.O.S.S. intel from the new HTC offices in Fort Worth indicate work on the gun installations
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Guns-1.jpg)

Radio and electronics
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RadioBeau.jpg)

And accurate gear doors :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/geardoors.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Mystery on May 20, 2011, 11:07:40 PM
 :aok for the Beaufighter.

I'd definitely fly it  :t
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: geo on July 17, 2011, 02:18:42 AM
still waiting for the mighty  beau i am in for  the long haul !!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 17, 2011, 03:02:12 AM
Here's to hoping that it will come in this update!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on July 17, 2011, 07:51:24 AM
I note that, in FSO this week, the squaddies and I were charged with protecting a convoy, complete with cargo-laden transports and a cordon of destroyer escorts. Such a thing would be a perfect target for torp-laden Beaus and subs, no?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on July 17, 2011, 05:04:57 PM
quite.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: 1Nicolas on July 18, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
+1 :aok :aok :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: iron650 on July 18, 2011, 01:25:12 PM
+1  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on July 18, 2011, 02:07:32 PM
In the Duxford restoration hangar it looked like she was making some progress from last year.   

Engines, tail section and some wings and it won't be long before she beats up the airfield once more.  :)

will Hitech beat them to it??   only time will tell.....
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Skulls22 on July 18, 2011, 06:22:25 PM
Still wondering why we don't have it!

+1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on July 19, 2011, 09:32:47 AM
 :rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 22, 2011, 04:48:18 PM
Actually just finished building a new computer, named it Beaufighter lol. This is what the case looks like (so you know why I named it that.

(http://www.pureoverclock.com/images/review/cases/xclio_a380colorplus/xclio_a380colorplus_forums.jpg)
The thing is HUGE.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich52 on July 22, 2011, 06:33:18 PM
 :aok For the Beau.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: des506 on July 23, 2011, 05:13:16 AM
PLEASE LET US HAVE THE BEAUFIGHTER....PLEASEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on July 23, 2011, 08:37:51 AM
pretty please  :angel:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 23, 2011, 07:54:47 PM
Christmas in July please?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Letalis on July 25, 2011, 01:45:11 AM
+1 :aok :aok :aok

IMHO, the Beaufighter, Pe-2 and He111 are the three aircraft with the most historical impact absent from planeset.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: des506 on July 25, 2011, 02:22:51 AM
+1 :aok :aok :aok

IMHO, the Beaufighter, Pe-2 and He111 are the three aircraft with the most historical impact absent from planeset.

 beaufighter and he111 a definite MUST!!!

+ 1,000,000,000
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: des506 on July 25, 2011, 02:25:19 AM
and the gloster meteor pls!!!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mechanic on July 25, 2011, 02:41:29 AM
 There she stood, sturdy, powerful, fearsome, surrounded by an enthusiastic crowd. Most of us admired from the outside as only those with influence or possessed of extreme cunning got inside. Pilots, engineers, fitters, riggers, armourers and signals mechanics were in attendance, and they probed and tinkered and adjusted until they hand brought her to a state of good-tempered servicability. Then they all tiptoed quietly away for, like all young monsters in unfamiliar hands, she showed promise of being tempremental. Even Mick Weadon, the Flight Sergeant in charge, was said to have been seen walking away backwards from the Presence.

 For the gunners, however, there was a shattering disapointment. Where the turret should have been there was nothing but a plain, moulded dome of perspex. Here was our dream fighter. But where were the four free guns in the turret in the back that could fire forwards and upwards into the belly of an enemy bomber? There was not even a single free gun with which we could foster our delusion of usefulness.

 Eventually I managed to elbow my way through the crowd and get to the aircraft. Just aft of the perspex dome a panel in the bottom of the fuselage hinged downwards leaving open the back entrance. I ducked down, set my feet on the steps cut in the panel, and climbed in.

 Right in front of me there was a very serviceable swivel-seat, set high up under the dome, with the back-rest and saftey harness, and scooped out to take the one-man dinghy. That was a good start.

 I squeezes past the seat, swivelling it around, and found Sandifer, one of the oldest gunners from the point of service in the Squadron, red in the face, sitting on the cat-walk that led forward. Stan Hawke, another of the senior gunners, was standing behind him, bent down under the curving roof, with a stop-watch in his hand.

 'Where's that turret we've heard so much about?' I demanded

 Sandi was breathing hard. 'We've had that,' he grunted. 'The only gunnery we're likely to get will be this job.' He pointed at a row of 20mm ammunition drums set in the racks above his head on either side of the cat-walk.

 'From now on we're just powder monkeys,' Stan said. 'We're having a go to see how long it takes to reload.'

 Sandi chuckled. 'Wait untill Tommy catches sight of this lot!' he commented. He patted something set in the floor.

 It was dim in the tunnel-like fuselage, but as my eyes became accustomed to the half-light I saw them, two on each side of the cat walk: four, solid great cannon, firmly set in place just below floor level! Their massive breeches gleamed with an evil beauty.

 'Four twenties!' Sandi gloated. 'They ought to do a bit of no good....if ever we catch anybody!'

 In spite of my disapointment over the turret my gunner's heart warmed at the sight. My face must have shown it, because when I looked up Stan was smiling.

 'How's the reloading going?' I asked.

 Sandi was nursing one of the drums. 'These things weigh sixty pounds each,' he said. 'God knows what it's going to be like hauling them out of the racks and fitting them on the cannon with all your kit on, oxygen tubes and phone cords and all.....and in the dark.'

 'And with the pilot going into a tight turn just as you get it off the rack,' Stan added. 'That'll make it weigh a darn sight more.'

 'Probably go straight through the floor,' Sandi said, 'if it doesn't chop off your fingers against the breech.'

 I went back aft and wriggled into the seat under the dome and swung around to look out over the tail. There was a fine, unobstructed view all around above the horizon, and with a little squirming one could even see into that old Blenheim danger spit below and behind.

 The radar equipment appeared to be a new version of what we had had in the blenheim, with the Box suspended from the low roof just behind the dome. One could look into its rubber visor or keep a visual watch over the tail with only a slight movement of the head.

 I looked around inside, and found that there were catches to release the whole dome in case of ditching or a belly landing. the bottom hatch, through which I had entered, was opened automatically by the slip-stream at the turn of a lever. There were an altimeter and an air-speed indicator; and -bless my frozen feet!- there was a hot-air duct discharging into the lap from the starboard side.

 Squeezing past the other, I went forward along the cat-walk, stooping under the low roof, through a pair of armour-plate doors, and into the pilot's compartment. his seat was in the centre. The windscreen was one large sheet of bullet-resisting glass sloping back fairly close to the face. There would be no more mad craning and peering trying to see out, with the glow from the instruments reflecting back from a half a dozen small panes. And perspex panels gave a clear view to path sides and up through the roof.

 Getting out in an emergency, I found, would be a bit of a gymnstic feat for the pilot, having collapsed the back of his seat by pullign a lever, could swing himself up and back and down on to the forward escape hatch, hinged like the one at the back. whenshut, this hatch formed the floor of a small well between the pilot's seat and the armour-plate doors, with enough room for a passenger to stand and look out forward over the head of the pilot.

 I pulled the hatch open, dropped down on to the ground, and walked around to the front of the aircraft. She was good, whichever way you looked at it, sturdy and aggressive, although perhaps a bit heavy. But the two gigantic Hercules engines with which she was powered, air cooled and close cowled, with their huge propellers, sweeping through a wide arc, could surely lift anything. From the tip of that forked aerial at the nose to her shapely rudder she was a beauty. I knew that somehow, as a gunner, powder-monkey, operator or stowaway, it did not matter which, I just had to fly in her.

                                                                                                                          C.F. Rawnsley and Robert Wright

lovingly read and re-typed (so please excuse the typos) from 'Voices from the War in the Air' published by Vintage books.

 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 25, 2011, 03:09:11 AM
Very nice, am going to have to buy that now. Also, never put thought into the bailing out by the pilot, guess I know now.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on July 25, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
B...... :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on July 25, 2011, 05:28:45 PM
+1 :aok :aok :aok

IMHO, the Beaufighter, Pe-2 and He111 are the three aircraft with the most historical impact absent from planeset.
Wellington as well.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Martyn on July 26, 2011, 08:00:29 AM
Wellington as well.
+1

Very true.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on July 26, 2011, 10:04:54 AM
There she stood, sturdy, powerful, fearsome

[....]

lovingly read and re-typed (so please excuse the typos) from 'Voices from the War in the Air' published by Vintage books.

Hey, didn't I type that up once upon a time?  :D :neener:

EDIT: Actually mine was from "The War in the Air" anthology, I think
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mechanic on July 26, 2011, 10:17:36 AM
absolutely possible that I missed one of your posts, appologies in advance if I did :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on July 26, 2011, 10:19:40 AM
absolutely possible that I missed one of your posts, appologies in advance if I did :)

Nah, no worries... Just wondered if you copied and pasted something I typed up many years back.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mechanic on July 26, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
Oh, charming. Glad to know you have a high regard for my character.  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on July 26, 2011, 10:26:28 AM
Oh, charming. Glad to know you have a high regard for my character.  :D

Always fun joshing a squaddie, no?  :rofl

To those that might not know (you non-squaddies) I was intending to playfully chide him for not giving me credit for the transcription, but we have a case of simultaneous inspiration, both reading and typing up the same thing! 'Tis all in good fun.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mechanic on July 26, 2011, 10:32:27 AM
Well, reading it back I can see many typos in mine which fits well with my previous postings....and so far I don't even see yours. So I am winning.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on July 26, 2011, 11:21:39 AM
Yes, yes, you win. I skimmed through all pages of this thread and didn't see a writeup by me. Must have been way back, maybe around 2006 or so... Search isn't working, but I recall typing that same artical up (or part of it) at one point in time.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 26, 2011, 12:05:06 PM
BEAUFIGHTER

(hopefully that'll put the thread back on the tracks.)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on July 27, 2011, 05:26:52 AM
E...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 29, 2011, 03:33:15 PM
A...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on July 29, 2011, 03:49:47 PM
Please don't spam it. Add something or stay put.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 29, 2011, 04:06:01 PM
Just curious, what would be some good sources on reading up on the Beaufighter?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on July 29, 2011, 04:06:45 PM
Not very subtle.....
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 29, 2011, 04:26:25 PM
Was asking a legitimate question, and not spamming like you had asked me not to.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: cactuskooler on July 29, 2011, 09:41:07 PM
Just curious, what would be some good sources on reading up on the Beaufighter?

Collected over time, with a lot of it spent on www.abebooks.com trying not to spend too much :)

I have Bob Brahm's book "Nightfighter, and C.F. Rawnsley's book "Nightfighter" about his time flying Beaus with Cunningham, but I've tried to keep it to the daylight guys as they'd apply most to AH.  If I was going to start someone down the Beaufighter path, I'd start them with "Beaufighters in the Pacific" by Parnell.  It's my absolute favorite of all of them.  "Strike and Strike again" is second as it covers the Norway runs.


Beaufighter Bibliography

General Beaufighter history:

“Beaufighters in the Pacific”-Neville Parnell.
(A complete history of all Aussie Beaufighter Squadrons, aircraft and ops in the Pacific)

“The Armed Rovers”-Roy Nesbit
(Beaufighter and Beaufort Operations over the Mediterranean)

“Beaufighter Aces of World War II”-Andy Thomas
(Osprey series book covering Beau Aces)

“Beaufighter Squadrons in Focus”-Simon Parry
(Photo album of the units that went to war in the Beau)

“The Bristol Beaufighter-A Comprehensive Guide for the Modeler”-Richard Franks
(Covers all the models available, good profiles, photos, surviving Beaus etc)


Squadron Histories:

“Beaufighters over Burma-Number 27 Squadron RAF 1942-45”-David Innes
(CBI flown Beaufighters)

Beaufighters over New Guinea-No 30 Squadron RAAF 1942-43” George Turnbull Dick
(Aussie Beaufighters)

“Silently into the Midst of Things-177 Squadron RAF in Burma 1943-45”-Atholl Brown
(CBI Beaufighters)

“Beaufighters in the Night-417 Night Fighter Squadron USAAF”-Braxton Eisel
(MTO USAAF Beaufighters)

“Strike and Strike Again-455 Squadron RAAF 1944-45”
(ETO Beaufighters flown by Aussies as part of the Dalachy Wing)

“Gentlemen in Blue-600 Squadron RAF”-Hans Onderwater
(RAF Beaufighters ETO/MTO 1940-45)


Pilot/Navigator Memoirs:

“Touched by War-Memories of a Beaufighter Pilot” Raynor Barber
(30 Squadron RAAF-1944-45 PTO)

“Search and Destroy”-Willam Mann
(31 Squadron RAAF 1943-44.  Mann was Squadron Commander)

“Whispering Death-My Wartime Adventures”-Lee Heide
(Beauforts and Beaufighters in the MTO with 39 and 603 Squadrons)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: cut67 on July 29, 2011, 10:38:11 PM
+1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on July 30, 2011, 06:47:12 AM
Please don't spam it. Add something or stay put.

Yea you too. please add something or stay out.

Id like the Beaufighter, how many times do folks have to say it. go mess with someone elses wishes Mr. Grinch.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on July 30, 2011, 08:25:15 AM
Yea you too. please add something or stay out.

Id like the Beaufighter, how many times do folks have to say it. go mess with someone elses wishes Mr. Grinch.

I would vote for the Beaufighter only if some other aircrafts wern't on the list - Me410, G.55, Fairey Firefly, (insert russian plane here).

tough choices really, I want them all :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on July 30, 2011, 12:39:14 PM
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/phatzo/torbaue.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich52 on July 30, 2011, 01:18:56 PM
There were so many operators of the Beau that it would be a skinners dream plane. Including I might add several US squadrons operating in the Med and Europe. The plane was a terror at night against shipping or even as a night fighter. Its production number, large list of operating air forces, and success in operations, should seriously merit inclusion in AH. :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mechanic on July 30, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
oooo a beau X with extended fin, very nice!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 30, 2011, 02:57:22 PM
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/phatzo/torbaue.jpg)

Is the black nosecone there cause it's a night fighter? Forgive me if the answer is obvious, very tired right now.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on July 30, 2011, 10:06:56 PM
Is the black nosecone there cause it's a night fighter? Forgive me if the answer is obvious, very tired right now.

The nose cone actually would have been painted the same as the fuselage but it does cover a different type rader used later in the war.  Also seen on Mossies.  Referred to as a "Thimble" nose.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on July 31, 2011, 12:18:18 AM
The nose cone actually would have been painted the same as the fuselage but it does cover a different type rader used later in the war.  Also seen on Mossies.  Referred to as a "Thimble" nose.
damn instructions told me to paint it gloss black.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on August 15, 2011, 09:50:32 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: adam1 on August 16, 2011, 07:46:58 PM
+1   :aok
You got a +1 from Bruv119. Thats like getting a high-five from the Queen of England.  :banana:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on September 22, 2011, 03:20:11 PM
She's back for more.

PLease oh pretty please a Beaufighter......... :pray :angel: :bolt:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tyrannis on September 22, 2011, 03:24:09 PM
-1. It looks fat&ugly. Prob like half the people who'd be flying it.   :neener:

-flame suit on-  :angel:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Liberator on September 22, 2011, 03:59:52 PM
+1 for the Beaufighter, it would be a great addition for the game.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on September 23, 2011, 01:47:13 AM
-1. It looks fat&ugly. Prob like half the people who'd be flying it.   :neener:

-flame suit on-  :angel:

who is this guy? someone hang him upside down by his cheekboness     :P
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on September 23, 2011, 01:58:07 AM
If anyone could tell me what were the main variants used? That would be great.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on September 23, 2011, 10:38:04 AM
If anyone could tell me what were the main variants used? That would be great.

Night Fighter Mk Ic - 397 total MkiC production by Bristol
Night Fighter Mk II - production 597
Mk VIF - Ground Attack/Night Fighter - 879 Bristol (second company can't read) 150
Mk VIc - Maritime Strike Fighter - 596 built? Fairey built 175

TF Mk X - Strike Fighter/Torpedo bomber - 2,265 (majority built by Bristol)

F Mk XIc - Maritime Strike Fighter - 163 built

Now this is just one source tells me, I know there were over 5,000 built so these numbers are off slightly, also I can barely read the manual on the production models (these numbers don't include prototypes, or varients) also some were used as Tow targets (actually quite a few)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 23, 2011, 05:00:21 PM
410 vs. Beau MkX - with the Beau flown by Ditka and the 410 flown by Walter Payton. Payton's got Doug Plank gunning and Ditka's got mini-Ditka as the GIB. Who wins?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on September 23, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
Night Fighter Mk Ic - 397 total MkiC production by Bristol
Night Fighter Mk II - production 597
Mk VIF - Ground Attack/Night Fighter - 879 Bristol (second company can't read) 150
Mk VIc - Maritime Strike Fighter - 596 built? Fairey built 175

TF Mk X - Strike Fighter/Torpedo bomber - 2,265 (majority built by Bristol)

F Mk XIc - Maritime Strike Fighter - 163 built

Now this is just one source tells me, I know there were over 5,000 built so these numbers are off slightly, also I can barely read the manual on the production models (these numbers don't include prototypes, or varients) also some were used as Tow targets (actually quite a few)
Don't forget the big boy on the block.

A-8 DAP MK XXI. 364 Total.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on September 23, 2011, 09:15:48 PM
410 vs. Beau MkX - with the Beau flown by Ditka and the 410 flown by Walter Payton. Payton's got Doug Plank gunning and Ditka's got mini-Ditka as the GIB. Who wins?

No...you cannot put Ditka in a matchup like dis cuz Walter, as sweet as he was, was not up to the challenge....remember, Ditka IS GOD, and therefore could fly a donkey cart and fly circles around even Bruv....Ditka wins hands down.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on September 24, 2011, 07:48:59 PM
No...you cannot put Ditka in a matchup like dis cuz Walter, as sweet as he was, was not up to the challenge....remember, Ditka IS GOD, and therefore could fly a donkey cart and fly circles around even Bruv....Ditka wins hands down.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok :ahand
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ron on September 25, 2011, 10:41:52 AM

+1 from me..!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: alpini13 on September 27, 2011, 10:59:43 AM
 :banana: +1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on October 03, 2011, 05:01:00 AM
 :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 12, 2011, 01:16:57 PM
Another question, would the Beaufort also be at all useful in this game?

Also, would love to see this nose art on it. (http://www.warbirdregistry.org/beaufighterregistry/images/beaufighter-a8186-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 12, 2011, 02:50:26 PM
Another question, would the Beaufort also be at all useful in this game?

Nice scenario aircraft & early war. It would not bring a lot to the game though.

IMHO for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 14, 2011, 02:34:06 AM
I always think scenario is a perfectly acceptable reason to put something in, +1 to the Beaufort as well.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on October 14, 2011, 03:24:04 PM
Maybe in the next version :(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on October 14, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
No to the Beau's.  Why?  Because I wanted to say no since everyone is saying yes. :D

In seriousness, a major +1 for the Beau's.  The only problem I'm going to have with it is that there will be no merchant ships, oil tankers, troop transports, freighters, submarines and various other juicy targets to hit with it. :cry
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 14, 2011, 05:25:58 PM
No to the Beau's.  Why?  Because I wanted to say no since everyone is saying yes. :D

In seriousness, a major +1 for the Beau's.  The only problem I'm going to have with it is that there will be no merchant ships, oil tankers, troop transports, freighters, submarines and various other juicy targets to hit with it. :cry

It would be used in scenarios, and in MA I see it being used the same way as the 110 or Mossie. 4 hizookas pack a punch.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on October 14, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on October 15, 2011, 08:47:37 AM
This is a great little website.

lots of great stories from 211 squadron, who flew Beaus.

http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/bristol_beaufighter.html
http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/me_walters.html

more pics from 211 sqaud.

http://www.asimons.co.uk/211Sqn/pictures_from_des.htm

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on October 15, 2011, 12:31:57 PM
So... Is it 'Bow'fighter or 'Be-yoo'fighter?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 15, 2011, 02:47:33 PM
So... Is it 'Bow'fighter or 'Be-yoo'fighter?
bow fighter.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on October 16, 2011, 06:03:45 AM
bow fighter.

Oh, shucks.

Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tyrannis on October 16, 2011, 07:02:15 AM
how much use would it even see in AH?

Be a bit ironic if it got this big of a fanbase, only to become a hanger queen within a few months.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on October 16, 2011, 07:19:11 AM
how much use would it even see in AH?

Be a bit ironic if it got this big of a fanbase, only to become a hanger queen within a few months.

This is only a game to you.

To others, this is history at their fingertips.

Use that pathetic little brain of yours, or even scroll through the wealth of knowledge this
50 page thread has.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tyrannis on October 16, 2011, 07:29:03 AM
This is only a game to you.

To others, this is history at their fingertips.

Use that pathetic little brain of yours, or even scroll through the wealth of knowledge this
50 page thread has.
wow, i love how you assume that this is ONLY a game to me.
that ive stuck around for it over 7 yr because its JUST a game.
that i pay $14.99 to play it because its JUST a game
That i put up with narcissistic A-holes like you because its JUST a game.

sure, i could sit here and read threw all 50 pages. or someone could be nice enough to sum up all 50 pages within a few sentences.

why dont YOU use that pathetic little brain of yours and do just that? or STFU. My question was not to a child who believes himself to be a better person than others on a forum topic.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Noir on October 16, 2011, 07:36:42 AM
In the MA I think it would share a niche with the bf110, and see use like the hard nosed mosquito  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on October 16, 2011, 08:24:54 AM
The Beaufighter has its own unique little niche as far as the MA is concerned, it is a fighter bomber that can carry a torpedo. Torpedo bombing is suicidal in AH but I like to try it every now and again, the four Hispanos would give it that little extra appeal over 88s or a TBM.

You could even run "Banff Strike Wing" missions to attack CVs. Beaufighters escorted by Mustangs use their rockets to take out some of the fleet's AA before dropping down to the deck to launch torpedoes. It is never going to be the most efficient way to take out a CV while level bombers have such ridiculously high accuracy in AH, but it ought to be fun and would be a more historically accurate way of doing it.

So did anyone count how many posts it took BAR321 to get his M-18?...... :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on October 16, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
     Tyrannis has been here for over 7 years...simply astonishing when you think about it  :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 16, 2011, 10:01:25 AM
how much use would it even see in AH?

Be a bit ironic if it got this big of a fanbase, only to become a hanger queen within a few months.
As it stands now with the game the Beaufighter won't have it's traditional targets. That aside with this game many things we do have are used for other things than what they were meant for.

At some points cargo fleets & transports will appear & then the Beau will be in it's element.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on October 16, 2011, 05:45:32 PM
     Tyrannis has been here for over 7 years...simply astonishing when you think about it  :rofl

Half his life, eh? :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on October 17, 2011, 03:08:38 AM
So did anyone count how many posts it took BAR321 to get his M-18?...... :D

No, I stopped at eleven, but I would hope that the Beau will present itself soon
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on October 17, 2011, 11:50:57 PM
The Beaufighter has its own unique little niche as far as the MA is concerned, it is a fighter bomber that can carry a torpedo. Torpedo bombing is suicidal in AH but I like to try it every now and again, the four Hispanos would give it that little extra appeal over 88s or a TBM.

You could even run "Banff Strike Wing" missions to attack CVs. Beaufighters escorted by Mustangs use their rockets to take out some of the fleet's AA before dropping down to the deck to launch torpedoes. It is never going to be the most efficient way to take out a CV while level bombers have such ridiculously high accuracy in AH, but it ought to be fun and would be a more historically accurate way of doing it.

So did anyone count how many posts it took BAR321 to get his M-18?...... :D

I figure BAR must have some dirt on HTC.  We've been much more complete in our information and have been asking about the Beau for a long time.   That or large amounts of cash and scotch were involved! :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on October 23, 2011, 02:04:35 PM
It would be perfect for designing New scenarios with the complete planeset required.

Think of the points gained in the MA by a squad doing a co-ordinated attack on nmy targets.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 23, 2011, 07:21:13 PM
Do your part and vote!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on October 24, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
Beau. to round 2 needs to make it to round 3.......
 :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on October 24, 2011, 09:48:53 AM
Beau. to round 2 needs to make it to round 3.......
 :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok


Yup
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on October 24, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
 :bhead
 :bhead
 :bhead

 Is anyone at HTC listening?  :headscratch:

The Beau just screams LET ME IN  :(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: B4Buster on October 24, 2011, 10:30:28 AM
Maybe next year  :(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: moot on October 24, 2011, 11:18:45 AM
Hey, but ... According to Brooke... The 410 and Beau are the same plane.  You guys can still get a Beau thru the 410 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Themes/camo/images/post/cheesy.gif)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2011, 11:36:43 AM
Sheeple will vote for the latest greatest speed and guns.

Only a handfull of folks actually interested in the historical part of the game will vote for early birds.

The beau is off so I'll vote who cares for the leftovers.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tyrannis on October 24, 2011, 11:38:15 AM
Sheeple will vote for the latest greatest speed and guns.

Only a handfull of folks actually interested in the historical part of the game will vote for early birds.

The beau is off so I'll vote who cares for the leftovers.
..or maybe there are just more fans of the meteor than there are for the beau.   :huh
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ACE on October 24, 2011, 11:43:40 AM
I would rather have the meteor than the beau :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: gyrene81 on October 24, 2011, 12:32:55 PM
I would rather have the meteor than the beau :)
you would...squeek!!!

anything but that p.o.s. jet would be better everyone but, the zoomtards are probably going to get their wish. if you voted "don't care", may as well have gone ahead and voted for the metor.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tyrannis on October 24, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
you would...squeek!!!

anything but that p.o.s. jet would be better everyone but, the zoomtards are probably going to get their wish. if you voted "don't care", may as well have gone ahead and voted for the metor.
Translation: :cry"Im not getting what i wanted!"
 :angel:

Anyways, im an Early war guy, and originally i voted for the IAR-80, but when it was bumped off i switched my vote for the meteor. i like its styling, its gun package, its a jet, and i think it would be fun.

why do people cry about the beau anyways? there seems to be a pattern on these boards.

-Everyone cried the b29 would be a gamebreaker, but when it was put in it did no such thing.

-People cried for the betty to be in the game just as much as people are for the beau. Yet when HTC finally listened to the whining and but the betty in, it rarely see's action in the MA. and has become more of a novalty perk gathering aircraft.

The beau would likely go down the same route. be popular for a week, then be hangered for the mossie.

Sure, it would be good for scenarios, but the past couple of planes (a6m3,p39,b25,p40's,Betty) have been put in for scenario reasons.

Isent it time the MA gets a new bird for the soul purpose of MA fun?  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on October 24, 2011, 12:49:33 PM
I've had a lot of "MA" fun over the years flying the A6M3, P-39, P-40, B-25, and G4M.  People who say they are just for scenarios have a pretty limited view of what can be done in the MA.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tyrannis on October 24, 2011, 12:50:58 PM
I've had a lot of "MA" fun over the years flying the A6M3, P-39, P-40, B-25, and G4M.  People who say they are just for scenarios have a pretty limited view of what can be done in the MA.


Missed the point.

They were put in with scenario's being their main focus.

(Except possably the p39/b25. which could of been put in to fill the EW planeset)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Soulyss on October 24, 2011, 12:52:39 PM
Missed the point.

They were put in with scenario's being their main focus.

(Except possably the p39/b25. which could of been put in to fill the EW planeset)


How do you know why they were put in?  Did you have a talk with HTC?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 24, 2011, 12:58:41 PM
Missed the point.

They were put in with scenario's being their main focus.

(Except possably the p39/b25. which could of been put in to fill the EW planeset)

The 39 and 25 were Poll winners, I think the 25 won by less than 1% so they put in both.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: gyrene81 on October 24, 2011, 12:59:43 PM
tyrannis, you're so clueless being clueless would be a step up.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on October 24, 2011, 02:55:26 PM
Too bad fellas, I know you've campaigned hard for your aircraft and I think you deserve to have it included. You never know, perhaps HTC will include it anyway.  :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on October 24, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
:(
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on October 24, 2011, 03:03:08 PM
tyrannis, you're so clueless being clueless would be a step up.

I do believe that's giving him too much credit.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TwinBoom on October 24, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
I do believe that's giving him too much credit.

tyran is on my ignore list ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on October 24, 2011, 03:06:23 PM
 :( :cry Poor Beau...

Here is an idea. new vote but put a P51H or F7F and I bet it will show just how clueless most players are about ww2 planes.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 24, 2011, 03:18:25 PM
 :cry
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on October 24, 2011, 03:26:34 PM
my guess HTC fixed the poll and dumped the clear winner because they havent quite finished modelling the coastal shipping, rail yards and other assorted ground targets yet. :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on October 24, 2011, 04:16:37 PM
The Beau had planty of other targets.  The Army Air corps flew them as night fighters in the Med also.  They were used everywhere
for dam near everything.  It is a travesty that a plane that served in all theaters of the war since its' inception is not included.

This reminds me of letting the fans vote for who plays in the annual all-star game.  Popularity instead of fact.

Whatever is left that gets voted in will not have the same battle record as the Beaufighter or the Crew that flew them.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on October 24, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
http://www.404squadron.com/

 :old: :airplane:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
..or maybe there are just more fans of the meteor than there are for the beau.   :huh


Fills no gaps at all. Nothing for the game at all. Was not used to shoot anything but buzzbombs. It was used even less than the 10 TA 152s that saw action.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on October 24, 2011, 04:38:22 PM
Fills no gaps at all. Nothing for the game at all. Was not used to shoot anything but buzzbombs. It was used even less than the 10 TA 152s that saw action.
It destroyed 46 or 48 German aircraft on the ground.  I'd say that was significantly more than the Ta152 was used.

That said, it was very much less than anything else on that poll.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on October 24, 2011, 04:55:16 PM
<--- runs hot bath and chooses razorblade
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: kilo2 on October 24, 2011, 05:53:20 PM
Fills no gaps at all. Nothing for the game at all. Was not used to shoot anything but buzzbombs. It was used even less than the 10 TA 152s that saw action.

59 152s.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on October 24, 2011, 06:14:42 PM
59 152s.

Produced or saw combat? 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2011, 06:16:38 PM
59 152s.

10 saw limited action
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: kilo2 on October 24, 2011, 06:19:55 PM
Produced or saw combat? 

Produced and saw combat. 15-20 most to see combat at one time. People like to quote only ten because it fits their needs yet it is not the truth.

Their was many more in production than just 59 but the main assembly factory was captured.



Oh and tyrannis is correct once the new has worn off beaufighter will see limited use. The truth hurts sometimes which is why you attack him. You can say whatever about people not using it but it will be a novelty other than for events.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: kilo2 on October 24, 2011, 06:20:44 PM
10 saw limited action

Source. Wikipedia doesn't count.


150001-150040
150158-150174
600001-600002
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 24, 2011, 06:27:24 PM
 :bhead
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on October 24, 2011, 06:30:11 PM
Produced and saw combat. 15-20 most to see combat at one time. People like to quote only ten because it fits their needs yet it is not the truth.

Their was many more in production than just 59 but the main assembly factory was captured.



Oh and tyrannis is correct once the new has worn off beaufighter will see limited use. The truth hurts sometimes which is why you attack him. You can say whatever about people not using it but it will be a novelty other than for events.

And your source is?  I've got a lot of sources and they seem to indicate a little over 40 were delivered to JG-301.  I think it's safe to say that no one really knows the exact numbers but they were small.

In terms of the 'truth' about the Beau in AH, we'll apparently not find out.  How you can claim to know the truth without any evidence is amazing to say the least.   I'm glad we have you around to point it out though :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: kilo2 on October 24, 2011, 06:34:14 PM
And your source is?  I've got a lot of sources and they seem to indicate a little over 40 were delivered to JG-301.  I think it's safe to say that no one really knows the exact numbers but they were small.

In terms of the 'truth' about the Beau in AH, we'll apparently not find out.  How you can claim to know the truth without any evidence is amazing to say the least.   I'm glad we have you around to point it out though :aok

You are correct it may not be the truth the MA may surprise me. I doubt it. Using the previous examples of less than competitive planes that have been added one can infer that it will see limited use other than for the week or so after it gets added. I am also glad you are around to do whatever it is you do. :aok


Hitchcock Focke-Wulf 152
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 24, 2011, 10:17:34 PM
How did this turn into a discussion on the 152?

Let's put this back on tracks.
(http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=4905&size=1)

Any history on this skin?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on October 24, 2011, 10:25:27 PM
How did this turn into a discussion on the 152?

Let's put this back on tracks.
(http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=4905&size=1)

Any history on this skin?
DAP MK-21 Target towing aircraft post WWII.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on October 25, 2011, 05:45:14 AM
it seems to be missing its rudder :headscratch:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on October 25, 2011, 05:49:28 AM
I suspect stealth camoflage  :old:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on November 04, 2011, 06:37:35 AM
Too bad, Boofers, the 410 it is.

That said, we need more twins in general. I hope we gets the boof soon - and convoys to kill with it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: jay on November 04, 2011, 06:43:29 AM
it seems to be missing its rudder :headscratch:

yes it does  :uhoh
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on November 04, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
HTC! Can I please get this for my birthday? I've been a good boy  :pray
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ping on November 04, 2011, 07:54:04 PM
If we could get convoys to lead us to the HIDDEN CVs,
It would give us SpeCtacUlar reasons to lead Beau missions.  :rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on November 23, 2011, 02:36:36 AM
If we get the DAP Mark 21 then I want this skin!

(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/beau/ss153_26%20cam9.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: mechanic on November 23, 2011, 05:01:23 AM
it seems to be missing its rudder :headscratch:


I was going to post that too
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Noir on November 23, 2011, 07:54:41 AM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QOTmubb2_7s/Trm_NmhsXdI/AAAAAAAAFPg/fQjlc0P0J28/s800/IMG_20111105_132552.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Noir on November 23, 2011, 07:57:47 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YkUM81Nod3Q/Trm_IZUkkvI/AAAAAAAAFPM/4Xob9X8IEoo/s800/IMG_20111105_132337.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Krusty on November 23, 2011, 08:32:58 AM
it seems to be missing its rudder :headscratch:

yes it does  :uhoh


I was going to post that too

It's there. You're seeing the noise on the photo and it's making the rudder blend in with the background. Follow the curve up and around and you can see the outer edge of the rudder. Note the very far right edge of the picture at the elevator level: That's the trim tab on the rudder.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on November 23, 2011, 03:39:06 PM
If we get the DAP Mark 21 then I want this skin!

(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/beau/ss153_26%20cam9.jpg)
Post war & a target towing aircraft.

Most DAP 21's were all dark green that flew combat. A few exceptions though & very rare all white aircraft & bare metal.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on November 23, 2011, 03:46:10 PM
It's there. You're seeing the noise on the photo and it's making the rudder blend in with the background etc.

well spotted! its like an optical illusion for me, when I flick up the page to check it out I can see the rudder and even the shadows created by its ribs for about 0.2s, then it looks like its missing again. cool :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TheRhino on November 24, 2011, 01:52:50 AM
What I don't understand is why the beaufighter wasn't in the original lineup? Like many people have said in this thread, it was in almost all theatres.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on November 24, 2011, 02:48:59 AM
Post war & a target towing aircraft.

Most DAP 21's were all dark green that flew combat. A few exceptions though & very rare all white aircraft & bare metal.


Ah I did not know it was post war. ok so it wont be but I am a fan of bright colours on my AC. I fly the Niki in the orange, the spitsV with the blue and the 202 (no need to say which skin for this one lol).

Think of my post as more of a BUMP then  :aok

(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/beau/ss153_15a.jpg)
(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/beau/ss153_10a.jpg)
(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/beau/mon74_45b.jpg)
(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/beau/mon74_47b.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on November 24, 2011, 02:51:26 AM
The same could easily be said about the He-111.  While I don't like the idea TOO much, I am willing to bet we will see the Beau before we see the Heinkel.  Wouldn't hurt me really.  Always fun to have a new toy to litter the landscape with. :aok  I just hope there are shipping type targets to hit with her by then. :x
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on November 24, 2011, 09:49:51 AM
The same could easily be said about the He-111.  While I don't like the idea TOO much, I am willing to bet we will see the Beau before we see the Heinkel.  Wouldn't hurt me really.  Always fun to have a new toy to litter the landscape with. :aok  I just hope there are shipping type targets to hit with her by then. :x

Most likely not, Beaufighter was recently voted on and lost, It's going to be some time before it comes up again, I would guess the He-111 would be voted on sooner or later, however there's some other competition out there, russian bombers etc.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on November 24, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
Most likely not, Beaufighter was recently voted on and lost, It's going to be some time before it comes up again, I would guess the He-111 would be voted on sooner or later, however there's some other competition out there, russian bombers etc.

The Beau is always a good contender in every vote, it gets beat out by only "Teh Uberz rides"
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on November 24, 2011, 02:36:10 PM
anyone got specs on the Beau's torps? I only found one source which gives alt/speed limits for releasing them, but I dont believe it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on December 06, 2011, 04:39:07 AM
The same could easily be said about the He-111.  While I don't like the idea TOO much, I am willing to bet we will see the Beau before we see the Heinkel.  Wouldn't hurt me really.  Always fun to have a new toy to litter the landscape with. :aok  I just hope there are shipping type targets to hit with her by then. :x

We flew against transport convoys a while back in a special event - IIRC, a Med scenario FSO. This occurred with a certain amount of fanfare, which is to say their existence was announced. However, I have yet to see these convoys occur in the arenas and am unsure why.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: matt on December 06, 2011, 10:27:29 AM
I think that the beaufighter should be added.

It was a very important aircraft in the war in Europe, and was also used much in the pacific campaign in the Royal Australian Air Force where it was nick named by the Japanese " Whispering Death"

here is some basic information on it :

First Flight: July 17, 1939

It was powered by 2 x bristol 1770 Horsepower Hercules XVII 14-cylinder air-cooled radials.

Armament: 4 x 20mm cannons and 6 x .303 MG's, Had 1 .303 dorsal gunner position. 1 x 1600lbs or 1 x 2127 lbs torpedo + 2 x 500lbs bombs and 8 x 3" rockets.

Max speed: 318 mph
Ceiling: 15,000 ft
range: 1470mph
climb rate: 5,000ft in 3 minutes 30 seconds

btw i didn't copy and paste any of this ;)

-KCTHUNDR ( Happy new year only 24 minutes  :D)
+1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on December 07, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
anyone got specs on the Beau's torps? I only found one source which gives alt/speed limits for releasing them, but I dont believe it.

You must be referring to the essentially dive bombing torpedo bird.  It was set up for a fast dive from alt then drop, but wasn't used that way in practice.  2000 feet, 180 knots was found to work, also 1000 feet 350 mph was proven to work.  There was a special breakaway fin on the torpedo that got it into the water at the right angle.

In practice with the strike wings Torbeaus dropped at about 175 feet and 210 mph.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Charge on December 08, 2011, 02:33:05 AM
I don't think any EW or MW birds have a chance to win a vote if there is a LW capable aircraft in the vote. Not sure where Beau qualifies but due to good armament it should do good, unless there is Meteor in the vote...

Maybe HTC should have two branches of development:

Branch A, voted birds (B29s Me410 etc, mostly LW stuff)
Branch B, historically significant birds that do not hold that much glamour in terms of performance or armament but are essential to have in scenarios (He111, Lagg-3 Mig-3, Vickers Wellington etc) that will be added to game without vote but with some kind of relevance to scenario schedule.

Maybe they could be added in turns: voted bird, scenario bird, voted bird, scenario etc etc.

-C+
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on December 08, 2011, 03:36:08 AM
...2000 feet, 180 knots was found to work, also 1000 feet 350 mph was proven to work.

That is very impressive.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on December 08, 2011, 05:24:20 AM
You must be referring to the essentially dive bombing torpedo bird.  It was set up for a fast dive from alt then drop, but wasn't used that way in practice.  2000 feet, 180 knots was found to work, also 1000 feet 350 mph was proven to work.  There was a special breakaway fin on the torpedo that got it into the water at the right angle.

In practice with the strike wings Torbeaus dropped at about 175 feet and 210 mph.

thanks, the figures I found said 3000'/450mph which seemed crazy to me without using the kind of breakaway nose structure that the USN were using late war. a 1000'/350mph drop would at least give us a chance of egressing safely.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on December 10, 2011, 12:47:06 AM
guess what plane I would like to see next....... :noid



a beaufighter.  :t
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on February 12, 2012, 09:07:57 PM
How did I get in here?    :O

Beaufighter needs to be added!
 :airplane:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 12, 2012, 10:19:34 PM
I don't think any EW or MW birds have a chance to win a vote if there is a LW capable aircraft in the vote. Not sure where Beau qualifies but due to good armament it should do good, unless there is Meteor in the vote...

Maybe HTC should have two branches of development:

Branch A, voted birds (B29s Me410 etc, mostly LW stuff)
Branch B, historically significant birds that do not hold that much glamour in terms of performance or armament but are essential to have in scenarios (He111, Lagg-3 Mig-3, Vickers Wellington etc) that will be added to game without vote but with some kind of relevance to scenario schedule.

Maybe they could be added in turns: voted bird, scenario bird, voted bird, scenario etc etc.

-C+
.....or 2 birds per release, one of each, I could live with that.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 13, 2012, 12:09:34 PM
Me410 won and it is a mid-war aircraft.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on February 13, 2012, 12:21:02 PM
Me410 won and it is a mid-war aircraft.

While voting we get to decide 1 item to be put in the #1 slot, this doesn't mean the Beaufighter, Ki-43 etc arn't behind it.

Given the time frame, I know HTC is working hard, I've been wishing the Me-410 since 2006 (my earliest post on it), at that time many things
should of been added first and they have.

If it came down to voting again, the beaufighter leaves me in a tough situation to vote - just getting the Me410, I would like to vote on an early war bird next, either D.520, Ki-43 or IAR.80. Only problem is the P-40 was updated not long ago to fill out early/mid war.

I would probably lean towards the D.520 and He-111 - this would fill the Phony war nicely with air frames, also the He-111 served on every theater.
The D.520 also served in north africa in a limited basis.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bubbajj on February 13, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Two words(ish), Henshel 129

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%2520history/photo_albums/images13/66.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%2520history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/Henschel%2520Hs%2520129.htm&h=300&w=400&sz=31&tbnid=Se_ulFJOJR7RKM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=136&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhenschel%2Bhs%2B129%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=henschel+hs+129&docid=FAZxT6Kirhlo8M&sa=X&ei=NqI5T4fwFqXi2AWyyaCwBA&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAg

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tpsrca.com/forums/index.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D138.0%3Battach%3D2647%3Bimage&imgrefurl=http://tpsrca.com/forums/index.php%3Ftopic%3D138.0&h=408&w=640&sz=55&tbnid=tHtxt-ux7YzC8M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=141&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhenschel%2Bhs%2B129%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=henschel+hs+129&docid=ZWdBLAek2kb4qM&sa=X&ei=NqI5T4fwFqXi2AWyyaCwBA&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBA
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 13, 2012, 06:19:14 PM
Two words(ish), Henshel 129
The Hs129 does not compare favorably with the Beaufighter, not in performance, significance, numbers or anything other than anti-GV work.  The Hs129 should be compared to the Il-2, Il-10 and Ju87G-2.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 14, 2012, 09:12:03 AM
The problem with the HS-129 is it looks good, but was a dog with unreliable and underpowered engines.

The Beau was a mainstay from beginning to end and in every theater the Western Allies flew doing every role imaginable for a fighter bomber.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 14, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/814758-war.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: JVboob on February 17, 2012, 04:41:21 PM
+1 cant wait it will be here eventually
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 19, 2012, 05:19:31 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34491676/AP-1721B-Pilot-s-Notes-Beau-Fighter-II-With-Two-Merlin-XX-1941
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on February 20, 2012, 01:43:40 AM
Very very nice find Lyric
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Majors on February 21, 2012, 09:09:33 AM
One has to wonder who determines the new aircraft.  We just got a Fiesler Storch!!  What role it will play in AH is anybody's guess.  Recon, could spot if we had artillery.  Target?  Definitely.  Was used for liaison work mostly in WWII.  Don't need much of that in AH.

Yet, we have the Beaufighter, an aircraft that served in every theatre of the war from the beginning to the end, in a number of roles from Ground Attack, to Anti Shipping, etc., that is still not in the mix.

What's with that?

Can anyone enlighten this old geezer?

Cheeries mates


Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on February 21, 2012, 09:55:30 AM
The introduction of the Storch was linked to reduction of GV icon ranges from the air. All other aircraft have trouble spotting GVs now, unless they are close enough to receive return fire from flaks. The Storch can see GVs icons much further away than other aircraft and direct friendly aircraft and GVs to them. It can also up from all bases, not just airfields.

The niche role that the Beaufighter would fill in the MA is a heavy fighter that could carry a torpedo. However given that torpedo bombing is suicide against prox fused AA it probably would not see much use in that role. Otherwise its just a slower but tougher Mossie really. Scenario wise its definitely needed though.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on February 21, 2012, 11:25:30 AM
The introduction of the Storch was linked to reduction of GV icon ranges from the air. All other aircraft have trouble spotting GVs now, unless they are close enough to receive return fire from flaks. The Storch can see GVs icons much further away than other aircraft and direct friendly aircraft and GVs to them. It can also up from all bases, not just airfields.

The niche role that the Beaufighter would fill in the MA is a heavy fighter that could carry a torpedo. However given that torpedo bombing is suicide against prox fused AA it probably would not see much use in that role. Otherwise its just a slower but tougher Mossie really. Scenario wise its definitely needed though.



I want it :)  I'd trade in my 38 for a Beau!  most of the time anyway :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 21, 2012, 01:27:40 PM
As somebody who like the Mossie, I'd still like to see the Beau added, even if I won't use it often.  I know there are people who would and it was widely used historically.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 12, 2012, 03:54:28 PM
I've been reading about Malta and the exploits of a certain Adrian Warburton.   

He flew a reconnaissance Beau at points but did most of his work in a Maryland?   Now this pilot just added to my respect for the Beau. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Noir on March 12, 2012, 04:24:00 PM
important wish planes should be sticky threads  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on March 12, 2012, 04:31:26 PM
Where did you read about him Bruv? There was a Timewatch documentary entitled 'Mystery of the Missing Ace' about him.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 12, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
I've been reading the siege of malta 1940-1943 by James Holland,   but I also got his biography that I haven't started but am now looking forward too because he features in it alot. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on March 12, 2012, 05:15:32 PM
my godmother's parents were on malta during WWII, dont know much about it but I assume they were RN because just after the war she was christened at HMS St Angelo and was given the ship's bell when it was decommissioned (must be a navy tradition I guess?).
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 12, 2012, 10:44:24 PM
Did I hear somebody ask for something to escort in my Mossie?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on March 13, 2012, 11:49:03 AM
I've been reading about Malta and the exploits of a certain Adrian Warburton.   

He flew a reconnaissance Beau at points but did most of his work in a Maryland?   Now this pilot just added to my respect for the Beau. 

Warburton was best known for his Spit recce flights.  he used to tangle with Spit fighters and could always twist them in circles.  He was killed in the crash of a recce P38 later in the war.  Seems like they just found the crash site a few years back and recovered his remains.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on March 13, 2012, 12:09:27 PM
Warburton was best known for his Spit recce flights.  he used to tangle with Spit fighters and could always twist them in circles.  He was killed in the crash of a recce P38 later in the war.  Seems like they just found the crash site a few years back and recovered his remains.

spoilers Guppy!!    :cry

it doesn't surprise me after all the twin engine bombers he flew successfully and lucky escapes he had that a P38 would finish him off.  :(

Are you sure it was a Spit because so far all it suggests are Marylands all over the med from Tripoli to Sicily.  He has just been transferred to 2 PRU Beaufighters out of Egypt.

Since you spoiled the ending I read his wiki article and his wife he left at home was a Mitchell he married in Portsmouth 1939.   Small world.  Not as impressed with his two timing on Malta with a saucy dancer now.   
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on March 14, 2012, 09:25:05 AM
The Timewatch documentary was largely lightweight & disappointing. Although the first half has a little background and real footage of Warburton belly landing his shot to hell Maryland reconnaissance plane. Earlier it tells how this Maryland returned to base with a section of an aerial from an Italian battleship wrapped around its tail gear, after making multiple low level passes under fire to get the necessary pictures of the disposition of the Italian fleet.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on April 08, 2012, 08:04:34 PM
Still waiting so ever patiently.

I still can't fathom a reason why an aircraft that flew in all theaters of the war for duration
is still not in the game.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on April 09, 2012, 05:37:33 AM
While it hasn't flown in all theater's of the war, the same could be said about the He-111. :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: DMVIAGRA on April 09, 2012, 02:51:10 PM
STOP PUNTING THE DAMN THREAD!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on April 09, 2012, 06:08:54 PM
STOP PUNTING THE DAMN THREAD!
Quote from: Skuzzy
10- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.

It wasn't punted, the post made was related to the topic, and wasn't him just saying "bump" or something to that effect.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UnympPurlEY/T1zJM6GVLoI/AAAAAAAABm8/kr4rvzDB77g/s1600/there-is-no-need-to-be-upset.png)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on May 18, 2012, 06:36:40 AM
I know the video is from another game...  because AH is sadly lacking great machine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjTXC71xrEA
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 18, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
Beaufighter was one of my favorite rides in Il-2 lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich52 on May 18, 2012, 11:02:04 AM
While it hasn't flown in all theater's of the war, the same could be said about the He-111. :D

Right. Now is it one of the very few foreign made airframes flown by American forces too? Offhand the Beau, Mossie, B-57 Canberra "I actually saw one of the last operational ones, set up for spying, come in and out of a NATO airbase once", The Harrier. Did I miss any?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on May 18, 2012, 11:10:49 AM
iirc the USN uses Hawks :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: titanic3 on May 18, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
American Spitfires? If those count. And all those French/British planes in WWI too.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich52 on May 18, 2012, 05:39:32 PM
American Spitfires? If those count. And all those French/British planes in WWI too.  :aok

Yeah, I forgot. Africa right?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on May 18, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
     The 31st FG was using them in Italy before they converted to P-51s as well.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Phas3e/31stFG_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: 11Kenzy on May 19, 2012, 08:23:41 AM
Nose heavy can't really be bad in a dogfight..
It can... I had troubles with P-51s and other American planed being nose-heavy and it causes decreased vertical performance e.g it will not take much of pull before the plane stalls and buffers.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 21, 2012, 04:29:02 AM
Did I hear somebody ask for something to escort in my Mossie?
We could have super-cool Coastal command raids. Who needs X-wings and Y-wings flying in the trench of the death-star, when you can have Mosquitoes and Beaufighters in a Fjord?
Screw George Lucas and Give me the real thing!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SDGhalo on May 22, 2012, 11:02:23 AM
We could have super-cool Coastal command raids. Who needs X-wings and Y-wings flying in the trench of the death-star, when you can have Mosquitoes and Beaufighters in a Fjord?
Screw George Lucas and Give me the real thing!


Ah good old 633 squadron with Cliff Robertson  :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 22, 2012, 11:38:25 AM
633?! I am talking about the real deal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_Q280Gpz4

Jump to 02:10 if you can't wait.


633 is an unforgivable movie. The SOBs burned real mosquitoes for this movie, to death! oh the humanity!   :cry
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on May 22, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
We could have super-cool Coastal command raids. Who needs X-wings and Y-wings flying in the trench of the death-star, when you can have Mosquitoes and Beaufighters in a Fjord?
Screw George Lucas and Give me the real thing!
:aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on May 22, 2012, 02:04:09 PM
We don't need the Beau...



















































We NEED the Beau... :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rob52240 on May 22, 2012, 02:12:51 PM
Bo knows Beau

(http://www.sportsblink.com/product_images/jackson-knows-pose-autographed-black-white-photograph-3340347.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich52 on May 22, 2012, 03:07:48 PM
633?! I am talking about the real deal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_Q280Gpz4

Jump to 02:10 if you can't wait.


633 is an unforgivable movie. The SOBs burned real mosquitoes for this movie, to death! oh the humanity!   :cry

Man I Love watching that video of that attack. They actually murdered a real Mossie in the movie? Seriously?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on May 22, 2012, 03:26:30 PM
To be fair most of the Mossies used in the film were destined for the scrap heap anyway. The film probably saved a couple for posterity.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 23, 2012, 02:01:12 AM
To be fair most of the Mossies used in the film were destined for the scrap heap anyway. The film probably saved a couple for posterity.
It's like experiments on animals. It is for the greater good, but it does make the hairs on my back stand looking at the poor monkey in the cage, about to give his life for science.

Today, when flying mossies are extinct, it is a difficult thing to watch a real one burn.
Are there any Beau's in flying condition?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on May 23, 2012, 02:53:53 AM
Duxford museum has been working on getting a Beaufighter flying. A few years ago i heard they were having trouble sourcing suitable Hercules engines for it. Post war Hercules engines are relatively common but have cooling fans and exhausts that sweep back behind the engine like the BMW engine in the FW 190A. The Beaufighter had its exhausts meeting in a collector ring on the leading edge of the cowling. Not as good aerodynamically, but it did also act as a de icer. Not sure what progress has been made since then.



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on May 23, 2012, 08:54:00 AM
Another effort underway here:

http://hars.org.au/2010/08/beaufighter-cockpit-for-fighter-world/
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on May 23, 2012, 01:51:03 PM
Duxford museum has been working on getting a Beaufighter flying. A few years ago i heard they were having trouble sourcing suitable Hercules engines for it. Post war Hercules engines are relatively common but have cooling fans and exhausts that sweep back behind the engine like the BMW engine in the FW 190A. The Beaufighter had its exhausts meeting in a collector ring on the leading edge of the cowling. Not as good aerodynamically, but it did also act as a de icer. Not sure what progress has been made since then.

The Bristol Hercules used in the Beau had sleeve valves and a small army of gears to move the sleeves in time. They tended to consum oil but, were efficient engines for the time and into the 50's. The intake and exhaust ports were on the front face of the cylanders. The BMW 801D had enclosed over head rockers with enclosed push rods. The exhaust valve was sodium cooled and rear facing.

As a kid making plastic models I always wondered why the exhaust on british radials faced forward.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on May 24, 2012, 01:00:51 PM
As a kid making plastic models I always wondered why the exhaust on british radials faced forward.
You mean the airintake on the top of the radial right?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on May 24, 2012, 02:18:54 PM
No he means these Dolby, the exhaust pipes, two per cylinder, which pop out the front side:-


(http://www.enginehistory.org/Gallery/JimBuckel/Bristol%20Centaurus%20C18%20C-37727%2003.JPG)


There's a very long and interesting story behind this sequence of engines which I will all bore you with one day when you can't sleep  :old:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on May 24, 2012, 02:42:30 PM
Are those the return springs for the sleeves around the base of the cylander?

I always thought the air intake was one of the two pipes in front. Where is the air intake on a sleeve valved Bristol? Are those clamshell casings with the cooling fins clamped around the cylanders?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on May 24, 2012, 03:18:37 PM
There are no springs on the valves bustr, they are moved by small individual cranks (that's what the crazy gear system drives). There are also two intake ports on the back of each cylinder coming from the supercharger. Those springs hold heat shields in place.

I have some pages from the service manual somewhere around that will help. I could also type a very lengthy explanation, but it's probably best you just watch these two videos:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liqqo8Cdb68

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJcxpFTFJPA

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on May 24, 2012, 03:23:34 PM
this is a goodun too, 3D model of the hercules :aok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vrvep_YOio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vrvep_YOio)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on May 24, 2012, 06:24:51 PM
And I thought the Beu thread couldn't get any more awesome.  Thank you Shida and Holmes, fascinating and educational. 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on May 25, 2012, 12:13:29 PM
WoW!!

How many hours did you get on the gear gangs before a rebuild?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich52 on May 25, 2012, 04:39:52 PM
Any Beau's currently flying? Wouldnt ya love spinning this around the salt air? http://www.largemodelassociation.com/keith_mitchell_bea.htm or http://www.myrcomm.com/beau/models-n-sims/models/safer/index.html
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 26, 2012, 03:01:02 AM
this is a goodun too, 3D model of the hercules :aok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vrvep_YOio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vrvep_YOio)

 :O :O :huh :huh :confused: :confused: :salute

I cannot describe how confused I am at this level of inebriation.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 26, 2012, 09:00:00 AM
inebriation.
lol, you made me look this word up.

I agree. What was the engineer that designed that smoking? I want some of that stuff!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 26, 2012, 09:12:13 AM
Beau's are so awesome that they even served in the IAF.
(from here: http://webspace.webring.com/people/qs/skythe/bomber1.htm)
Quote
In 1948 IAF agents in Britain purchased 6 Beaufighters from a company which had bought these from RAF stocks. The aircraft had not been taken care of for some time and were devoid of their essential avionics, navigation gear and guns, and an extensive overall was required. By the time the Beaufighters were ready to leave Britain for Israel, the British government had become aware of Israeli attempts to acquire weapons locally. As an arms embargo had been imposed on the opposing sides in the Israeli War of Independence, the Beaufighters were to be smuggled out of Britain. Under the pretext of participating in the shooting of a WWII film, 4 Beaufighters (one had crashed while another had been canibalized for spares) took off in front of the director, the cameras and the filming "crew" - and never returned. By the time the British authorities had come to, the aircraft were somewhere over the Mediterranean, on their way to Israel. From Britain the Beaufighters flew to Corsica and on to an airfield the Yugoslav government had allowed the IAF to operate from. On August 1st 1948 the aircraft arrived at Ramat David air base where they joined the 103rd bomber and transport squadron. The aircraft formed the squadron's 'B' flight, lead by Leonard Fitchett, a Canadian volunteer.

One IAF Beau got a maneuver kill on a Hawker Fury. One may wonder how many perk point that got him... I remember reading this story in a book long ago:

Quote
On the morning of October 19th, D.171 was sent to assist the Israeli Navy in battles against Egyptian naval vessels when it encountered an Egyptian Hawker Fury flown by Abd Al-Hamid Abu Zayd, commander of Egypt's 2nd squadron. Aware that the Beaufighter stood little chance in a dogfight, the pilot, Len Fitchett, jettisoned his bombload and put his bomber into a dive low over the water. Followed by the Egyptian, Fitchett abruptly pulled up, just in time to see the Fury crash into the sea.

(http://www.mission4today.com/uploads/downloads/images/2009/07/47_beaufighter_tfx_d-171_1948.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on May 26, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
lol, you made me look this word up.

I agree. What was the engineer that designed that smoking? I want some of that stuff!


The team of engineers that designed this series of engines were working principally under the direction of an engineering genius called Harry Ricardo, who in 1927(!) wrote a paper forecasting the limitations of the poppet valve and implying that the sleeve valve was the way forward.

He was instrumental in the advancement of the internal combustion engine and solved several significant problems. Out of interest, one of these involved work on the problem of detonation, his solutions where directly 'employed' by the Germans with their version of a methanol injection system (WEP in AH). He and Bristol, after expending millions of pounds making the sleeve valve viable were ordered to help Rolls Royce and more pressingly Napier who could not solve their problems with the Sabre engine (Typhoon / Tempest motor) which was needed for the war effort.



I do not know the expected lifespan of the valve drive gears Bustr, if that's what you are asking, but I can tell you that the overhaul interval for the Bristol sleeve valve series of engines was three times longer than that of its peers. Interestingly its peak fuel efficiency was also (approximately) at maximum power  :rock

The beauty of this design is twofold: there is far less power needed to actually operate the engine, and most importantly that the intake and exhaust ports are completely unobstructed when open, greatly increasing its volumetric efficiency.

The final iteration of this engine powered the Hawker Sea Fury. I trust you all know that aircraft.


I will upload some more material on the engine later if you are interested, some of it is hard to find but I needed it for a project.








Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 26, 2012, 01:35:32 PM
Thanks for the info. This engine discussion is more interesting than I would have expected  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 26, 2012, 02:33:50 PM
I had a coworker at my last job that was a bit fan of Bristol engines.  He loaned me a book to read on the development of WWII Bristol, Rolls-Royce and Napier-Sabre engines.  It was an interesting read.

One of the conclusions that I have reached over the last 10 years is that the biggest limiting factor for a nation in the 1930s or 1940s to self sufficiently built modern aircraft was whether or not they could build engines. Most smaller nations such as Australia, Denmark and Finland designed and built aircraft, but they always use engines designed and built elsewhere.  Only the United States, United Kingdom, France, Soviet Union, Germany, Italy and Japan seemed to have any significant ability to designed and manufacture their own engines.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on May 28, 2012, 12:13:32 PM
Little bit more information on the Bristol sleeve valve series of engines.


A brief explanation of the operation:-


Starting with the crankcase to show the reason for that large quantity of gears arranged around the centreline. The outer race of gears rotate at half the revolutions of the engine:

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/Crankcase.jpg)

The purpose of these is to drive a tiny crank which operates an individual sleeve valve. Here in this cutaway drawing the individual cranks can be seen. The short shafted ones serve the front bank of cylinders and the long the back:

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/Pignondeschemises.jpg)

Since each valve and cylinder is identical regardless of orientation it is best just to focus on one. Here you see a single cylinder and its corresponding sleeve valve:

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/centaurus_cylinder_sleeves.jpg)

One set of the cylinder's exhaust ports can be seen on the left side and one intake on the right. Air is fed to this directly from the supercharger. There are two of each. The sleeve valve itself has two important features, the ports, which I will come back to later, and the valve drive mechanism, which is that little ball-like receptacle shown in the foreground. In this image of a cutaway engine, the proper position of those parts can be seen:

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/FS-R41.jpg)

In the bottom left quadrant of the image you can see the little crank, driven by one of those numerous gears, connected to the ball mechanism. As this crank rotates (at half engine revolutions) it propels the sleeve valve both a up and down and in a reciprocating rotation motion. 

Now hopefully this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liqqo8Cdb68

Makes some more sense. I think the cutaway they did on the sleeve valve is a little misleading, but the innermost thing is the piston, outside of that and moving slower up and down and also rotating is the sleeve valve, outside of that is the cylinder itself in which an outer port can be seen. When the ports of the sleeve valve align with the cylinder port then obviously that 'valve' is open.

In this diagram the shapes of inner and outer ports can be seen:

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/BRSL_DES.jpg)

About one third from the left in each row a small dashed oval-shaped arrow can be seen which indicates the motion of the valve. Up and down with the piston as well as rotating. S indicates sleeve and C indicates cylinder. If you printed the page out and rolled it into a sleeve then you have it.


Finally a few relevant pages from a manual:-

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/bc140.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/bc141.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/bc143.jpg)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/bc144.jpg)



Hope this helps stoke up some enthusiasm for your wish. Please support our Westland Whirlwind thread also:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313538.0.html

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Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on May 28, 2012, 12:17:44 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on May 28, 2012, 12:19:45 PM
Interesting info....Bristol started by making carriages, then made automobiles, then aircraft.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on May 28, 2012, 12:21:51 PM
It's looks like it's a very hefty engine.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on September 03, 2012, 09:07:26 AM
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/22/media-22826/large.jpg?action-e)
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/53/media-53752/large.jpg?action-e)
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/22/media-22896/large.jpg?action-e)

 :devil
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/60/media-60767/large.jpg?action-e)
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/32/media-32050/large.jpg?action-e)

Nice looking blue skin!
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/31/media-31907/large.jpg?action-e)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TOMCAT21 on September 03, 2012, 09:23:23 AM
looks snappy....
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on September 03, 2012, 09:32:22 AM
Beaufighter would be a poor mans 410..

I'd still vote for it, served its time and did quite well on all fronts.

Besides Australia needs a fighter :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 03, 2012, 09:35:27 AM
Beaufighter would be a poor mans 410..

I'd still vote for it, served its time and did quite well on all fronts.

Besides Australia needs a fighter :D
Well, probably more agile and definitely tougher.  Slower too.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on September 03, 2012, 09:41:02 AM
Beaufighter would be a poor mans 410..

I'd still vote for it, served its time and did quite well on all fronts.

Besides Australia needs a fighter :D
The Beau unlike the 410 will be enabled in all arenas. Very useful in many scenarios, much more than the 410.

I always wondered how useful was the observer. I mean, he can barely see anything out of that tiny bubble, he has no gun (well, he can carry a pistol to shoot himself) and unlike in the mossie, he can only communicate with his pilot through the intercom. He sits so far back - did they have to replace him with a sack of potatoes for balance, should the plane take off without him?
More to the point: what were his responsibilities? navigation? special equipment operation?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: titanic3 on September 03, 2012, 09:46:20 AM
Hmmm..visibility out of the cockpit looks like poo. I wonder if they added F3 (to represent the observer), if that would make this thing even more used. Or just disable firing while in F3.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 03, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
Hmmm..visibility out of the cockpit looks like poo. I wonder if they added F3 (to represent the observer), if that would make this thing even more used. Or just disable firing while in F3.

My 2 cents.
Rear visibility sure, but forward visibility looks perhaps better than anything currently in AH.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on September 03, 2012, 10:15:19 AM
Well, probably more agile and definitely tougher.  Slower too.

Not so sure it would be more agile, its engines were pretty weak compare to 410 - there would be no acceleration - I wonder if someone has the wing loading data and weight of it empty?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 03, 2012, 10:29:58 AM
Based on Wikipedia's numbers for the Beaufighter TP.Mk X:

Empty: 30.998lb/sq.ft
Max loaded: 50.497lbs/sq.ft

503sq.ft wing area
15592lbs empty
25400lbs max load
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Masherbrum on September 03, 2012, 10:52:01 AM
Beaufighter would be a poor mans 410..

I'd still vote for it, served its time and did quite well on all fronts.

Besides Australia needs a fighter :D

The Beaufighter is more balanced plane than the POS 410 that this Community begged for.   Definitely more agile than the anemic 410.    It also would have filled a much needed gap sooner, than the 410.  
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on September 03, 2012, 11:08:36 AM
The Beaufighter is more balanced plane than the POS 410 that this Community begged for.   Definitely more agile than the anemic 410.    It also would have filled a much needed gap sooner, than the 410.  

Problem was look at the choices - Meteor? Yak? Me-410?

Personally was hoping the Beaufighter/410 were in the last rounds but it simply didn't get enough votes.

I actually figured the Meteor was going to win, after all ZOMG!! JET!!! Considering the B-29 was voted in over other aircrafts like the He-111, I assumed the meteor was going to win simply because it was a jet.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Masherbrum on September 03, 2012, 11:11:00 AM
Problem was look at the choices - Meteor? Yak? Me-410?

Personally was hoping the Beaufighter/410 were in the last rounds but it simply didn't get enough votes.

I actually figured the Meteor was going to win, after all ZOMG!! JET!!! Considering the B-29 was voted in over other aircrafts like the He-111, I assumed the meteor was going to win simply because it was a jet.


The fact the 410 won, speaks volumes for those who voted for it, without doing even the slightest bit of research.   The Yak or Meteor would not be hangar queens like the 410.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on September 03, 2012, 11:17:16 AM
The fact the 410 won, speaks volumes for those who voted for it, without doing even the slightest bit of research.   The Yak or Meteor would not be hangar queens like the 410.

Well not so sure about the Yak, limited guns - no better then the Yak-9 in the long run - Meteor on the other hand would of been an interesting add - when I was researching it I found it out performed the Tempest in almost every respect, except for turn radius (MkIII of course).

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on September 03, 2012, 01:27:31 PM
The 410 is a nice addition especially in it buff hunting loadout, but I question the ineffective flaps, as with the updated Ju87.

Beaufighters will stuggle in a fight with the 110Cs we have in game. So I guess some of you chaps will be in for a shock as with some of the 410 voters.  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on September 03, 2012, 06:36:20 PM
No one asking for the Beau expects it to be an air to air bird.  What it would be is a really nice multi-role attack bird that can defend itself.  4 20s in the fuselage to get the flak gunners down and a torp would make it a more viable anti-shipping bird then most we have now if not all.  As a special events fan I see all kinds of uses in any number of scenarios from the ETO to the MTO to the PTO and CBI theaters.  As it's service life spans 40-45 it covers a lot of historical ground.

I do believe folks thought the 410 would be more of an air to air bird then it is however.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on September 03, 2012, 11:30:14 PM
I go for the Beau not cause the A2A, because that would be a horribly dumb idea, it wasn't meant for that.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Masherbrum on September 04, 2012, 08:53:53 PM
No one asking for the Beau expects it to be an air to air bird.  What it would be is a really nice multi-role attack bird that can defend itself.  4 20s in the fuselage to get the flak gunners down and a torp would make it a more viable anti-shipping bird then most we have now if not all.  As a special events fan I see all kinds of uses in any number of scenarios from the ETO to the MTO to the PTO and CBI theaters.  As it's service life spans 40-45 it covers a lot of historical ground.

I do believe folks thought the 410 would be more of an air to air bird then it is however.


Bingo!    :rock
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: icepac on September 05, 2012, 07:08:39 AM
In some other sims, the beaufighter has superior acceleration down the runway right up to where it runs into a brick wall of air at about 250mph.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on November 07, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_01.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_02.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_03.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_04.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_05.jpg)

I have many, many pages left to add. But I will add them day by day and at the end of each book I will upload the PDF of the full item in all its high detail.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RTHolmes on November 07, 2012, 08:48:34 AM
that PRU blue is nice :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on November 07, 2012, 10:44:14 AM
Gangster black is always nice too  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Charge on November 08, 2012, 05:13:39 PM
"The fact the 410 won, speaks volumes for those who voted for it, without doing even the slightest bit of research.   The Yak or Meteor would not be hangar queens like the 410."

Everybody is free to express their opinions and my opinion is that your opinion is BS. I do hope that one was just a momentary brainfart and not your actual thinking.

But good luck with Beau. I bet it will be very much what 410 was not "made" to be.  :lol

-C+
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 08, 2012, 05:31:51 PM
"The fact the 410 won, speaks volumes for those who voted for it, without doing even the slightest bit of research.   The Yak or Meteor would not be hangar queens like the 410."

Everybody is free to express their opinions and my opinion is that your opinion is BS. I do hope that one was just a momentary brainfart and not your actual thinking.

But good luck with Beau. I bet it will be very much what 410 was not "made" to be.  :lol

-C+

Karaya's correct.  The majority that voted for the Me 410 probably did so when they saw a post about the various gun packages that were available and didn't really do any research into the plane.  All the threads you saw about the Me 410 prior to its introduction was "Looks at how many cannons it has!", if more people had done some research into the plane and realized it wasn't a very good plane then it wouldn't have gotten the votes it did.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on November 08, 2012, 06:11:19 PM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_06.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_07.jpg)
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(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_09.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_10.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: icepac on November 09, 2012, 08:25:54 AM
The 410 won for the same reason that the Yak3 will win.

The voters want latewar planes that are heavily armed and fast.

When the yak3 performs almost exactly the same as the yak9u, we will hear the same complaints as we did about the me410.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tilt on November 09, 2012, 10:17:37 AM
I would take a Yak3 if  it replaced the Yak9U.

It would have the best cockpit visibility in the game by far for one and if all else were the same, or similar, (to the Yak9U) the turn radii should be better.

There is a certain romance about the Beaufighter and it may have a role in events.......... but its effectiveness was really one borne of operations which avoided all other enemy air contact out side of the odd bomber.

The other attack ac in use in the med through out 44 was the Mossie MkIV FB yet there are not that many intruder AH events designed to make use of it in these roles (where it becomes the star)........... would we so so many more featuring the Beaufighter?

I would rather have a Pe2 or even a Tu2 given the choice..........
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on November 09, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
I would take a Yak3 if  it replaced the Yak9U.

It would have the best cockpit visibility in the game by far for one and if all else were the same, or similar, (to the Yak9U) the turn radii should be better.

There is a certain romance about the Beaufighter and it may have a role in events.......... but its effectiveness was really one borne of operations which avoided all other enemy air contact out side of the odd bomber.

The other attack ac in use in the med through out 44 was the Mossie MkIV FB yet there are not that many intruder AH events designed to make use of it in these roles (where it becomes the star)........... would we so so many more featuring the Beaufighter?

I would rather have a Pe2 or even a Tu2 given the choice..........

O'rly?   :confused:  Please, do elaborate...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tilt on November 09, 2012, 02:51:56 PM
O'rly?   :confused:  Please, do elaborate...

Yak9U
(http://www.full-tilt.eu/AH/yak9.jpg)


Yak3

(http://www.full-tilt.eu/AH/yak3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on November 09, 2012, 05:46:52 PM
Less obscured to the front, but I think it will be a little more obscured to the rear.

(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/268/pics/21_2.jpg)

(http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/yak9p/yak9P-amt11-12.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 09, 2012, 05:49:24 PM
Less obscured to the front, but I think it will be a little more obscured to the rear.

Not sure about that.  Can't recall his name, but a famous French ace that flew the Yak-3 said it had excellent all around visibility.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: icepac on November 09, 2012, 05:59:17 PM
It would be amusing if HTC added all yak3 variants except for the one with the 3x berezin B20s.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on November 09, 2012, 06:02:53 PM
Not sure about that.  Can't recall his name, but a famous French ace that flew the Yak-3 said it had excellent all around visibility.

ack-ack

I'm not saying it'll be horrible like a F6F, just less of it.  As you can see, it's a shorter canopy with the top of the rear fuselage also meeting a good few inches higher.  I'm not sure about the space inside available to move your head around either, both seem adequate and near identicle, although the Yak-3's might be a hair more confined if you look at it from a forward, rear or top profile in some images.

For AH, it's probabley too little a difference to matter, really.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tilt on November 10, 2012, 07:33:09 AM
The rear canopy of the Yak3 and Yak 9T are the same..........

I dont see such a degradation in view even if the apex of the rear fuselage was an inch or so higher. All use the same armoured glass so there is no "head stock" in the way of a rear view.

I can't think of an ac in AH that would have a better alround view  than would/should have a Yak3.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tilt on November 10, 2012, 07:54:22 AM
It would be amusing if HTC added all yak3 variants except for the one with the 3x berezin B20s.

Saratov produced Yak3's had (in the main) 1 x 12.7mm + 1 x 20mm (later production added a 2nd  12.7mm)
Tbilisi produced Yak3's had  2 x 12.7mm + 1 x 20mm

No Yak 3P's (3 x b20)  ever saw combat.

Hence load options should be

1x12.7 + 1x20mm Shvak

or at

2x12.7 + 1x20mm Shvak

interestingly Tbilisi built Yak3's had slightly larger tanks which added (when including the extra 12.7mm mg and ammo) an extra 25Kg ..but then Tbilisi built air craft were on average 9.3mph faster in level flight.....go figure!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on November 10, 2012, 09:46:09 AM
Ibelieve I have voted for the Beaufighter at every turn and I think that it should be the next Aircraft added to the planeset. Unless HT decides to add the He111 before that then I would have to think that the Beau would be the next one added. I wish I could find the pic, but I have a WW2 book that has this awesome pic of a swarm of Beaufighters attacking a German Convoy in the English Channel. They are just giving that convoy a beating and IMHO deserve to be represented in-game. (I believe I may have posted a similar comment under this topic but I do not feel like going through it to see if I did or not lol)

+10 :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on November 10, 2012, 09:47:45 AM
I'm not saying it'll be horrible like a F6F, just less of it.  As you can see, it's a shorter canopy with the top of the rear fuselage also meeting a good few inches higher.  I'm not sure about the space inside available to move your head around either, both seem adequate and near identicle, although the Yak-3's might be a hair more confined if you look at it from a forward, rear or top profile in some images.

For AH, it's probabley too little a difference to matter, really.

I have read that same article about that French pilot. Said he loved flying it.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Tilt on November 10, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
Not sure about that.  Can't recall his name, but a famous French ace that flew the Yak-3 said it had excellent all around visibility.

ack ack

The report (I think) was from General Zakharov who was then commander of 303 IAD of which the Normandie Niemen was a part with 18 GIAP. He was reporting (at the time) with respect to the Yak3's use in his Division......

Quote from: Zakharov
.......The aircraft is stable at take off and landing and can be easily flown by any pilot - something that cannot be said about the La5FN fighter.

The pilots of the 18th GIAP and Normandie Niemen mastered the Yak-3 after logging 3-5 hours. The Yak-3 gains altitude very quickly and has a wide range of speeds (200 to 600 km/h). All aerobatic manoeuvres, both in the horizontal and vertical plane, are performed excellently. the fighter offers excellent visibility and has a comfortable, well lit cockpit.

I think the comparison with the La5-Fn would be the suspension bounce that all Lavochkins suffered from..particularly when landing........... Czech pilots compared it very much to that found on the Spitfire.

The short transition time might be a bit mis leading as they were transitioning from the Yak9T
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: vonKrimm on November 10, 2012, 08:25:33 PM

We'll get the Beau Fighter eventually i'm sure  :aok

And then we'll finally have SUBBs in the game!!!!  Secret Union of Beaufighter Buddies!!!!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on November 12, 2012, 05:13:38 PM
The rear canopy of the Yak3 and Yak 9T are the same..........

I dont see such a degradation in view even if the apex of the rear fuselage was an inch or so higher. All use the same armoured glass so there is no "head stock" in the way of a rear view.

I can't think of an ac in AH that would have a better alround view  than would/should have a Yak3.

Fine, since it's now two against me in this war of heresay, quote me your definitive source.

I've not wipped out my measuring tape, but I've observed they are not equal or the same, however similar.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rino on November 12, 2012, 05:35:51 PM
     I'm wondering if it's safe to assume no big updates until after the New Year?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on November 12, 2012, 05:42:20 PM
     I'm wondering if it's safe to assume no big updates until after the New Year?

they still have time to sneak my Beau in before x-mas.  :pray
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on November 12, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_11.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_12.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_13.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_14.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_15.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Condor11 on November 12, 2012, 09:55:44 PM
Its sooo ugly though. But i guess ill always say +1 for anything that flys
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Plawranc on November 13, 2012, 02:35:26 AM
^^ HOW DARE YOU  :mad:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Noir on November 13, 2012, 04:39:02 AM
It does look like a genetically impaired whale  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on November 13, 2012, 04:37:09 PM
Hitech should make you guys sign wavers befor he introduces new rides.

I agree that counter to my fond imagination most new aircraft introduced by HTC will not perform to my expectations.

____________________________X


On the other hand it will be great oodels of fun having Yak3, Whirlwinds and Beaufighters. And Ki-whatevers and He - howevers and Ju - someevers and G - pastadeoodels and and and.......IAR - harharhars......Oh and a Boomerrang for christmass. And maybe some spiced MigLaag in my hot rum.............

It would even be nice if HTC snuck us a few sneek peeks of coming attractions.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Babalonian on November 14, 2012, 06:16:25 PM
I want the orange and black one!  (nevermind it only being a prototype or being equiped with Griffon engines  :noid  :devil )
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SmokinLoon on November 14, 2012, 06:48:27 PM
they still have time to sneak my Beau in before x-mas.  :pray

You must have missed the memo on the He111 being the next addition to AH.   :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: RedBull1 on November 14, 2012, 07:56:03 PM
it is ugly, looks like a goon on steroids! but what the hell a lot of people seem to want it... looks like the allied version of the 410.... +1 *shrugs*
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on November 15, 2012, 04:46:38 AM
The Beau would be mainly a scenario ride but anything with four Hizookas in the nose ought to see some use in the MA. However from a fighter standpoint it is hard to see why anyone would choose a Beaufighter over a Mosquito. It will be a fair bit slower and probably less maneuverable than the Mossie.

OTOH from a strike aircraft POV it ought to be a bit tougher than the Mossie and would have the option of carrying a torpedo and eight rockets. A Banff Strike Wing style mission with torpedo armed Beaus escorted by P-51s might be fun. The Beaus could come in high, drop some of the fleet's AA with rockets and then make their torp runs. It is never going to be as efficient in taking out a fleet in AH as using buffs, but a lot more realistic. Once the ord is gone the Beau would have a better chance vs fighters than any other torp armed aircraft.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ink on November 15, 2012, 10:30:59 AM
I will probably get flamed for it, and thats ok I got thick skin.....

but that Beau is one ugly plane.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: tunnelrat on November 15, 2012, 10:39:18 AM
I will probably get flamed for it, and thats ok I got thick skin.....

but that Beau is one ugly plane.

The Beaufort is beat it to death with a stick ugly as well... imho...

Now... for a downright SEXAY maritime patrol craft...


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-043-02,_Focke-Wulf_Fw_200_C_Condor.jpg/300px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-043-02,_Focke-Wulf_Fw_200_C_Condor.jpg)

Of course, she's slower than Helen Keller baiting a mouse trap....

But hey, it might give Kate a self-esteem boost as she wouldn't be the slowest plane in the arena anymore... (The storch isn't a plane.)



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ink on November 15, 2012, 11:32:39 AM
The Beaufort is beat it to death with a stick ugly as well... imho...

Now... for a downright SEXAY maritime patrol craft...


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-043-02,_Focke-Wulf_Fw_200_C_Condor.jpg/300px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-043-02,_Focke-Wulf_Fw_200_C_Condor.jpg)

Of course, she's slower than Helen Keller baiting a mouse trap....

But hey, it might give Kate a self-esteem boost as she wouldn't be the slowest plane in the arena anymore... (The storch isn't a plane.)





honestly I think the Spits are about the best looking WW2 birds, while I think the P40 flying tigers are the toughest looking WW2 bird.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: tunnelrat on November 15, 2012, 12:24:55 PM
honestly I think the Spits are about the best looking WW2 birds, while I think the P40 flying tigers are the toughest looking WW2 bird.

Hmmm... join me in the O'Club for a sexiest planes of WW2 thread my good sir...

Let's see how long until it degenerates into a flame war over how the 190 in AH isn't modeled with the proper carbon fiber durasteel it was REALLY made out of according to wikipedia...

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ink on November 15, 2012, 12:29:38 PM
Hmmm... join me in the O'Club for a sexiest planes of WW2 thread my good sir...

Let's see how long until it degenerates into a flame war over how the 190 in AH isn't modeled with the proper carbon fiber durasteel it was REALLY made out of according to wikipedia...



 :rofl

every thread ends up like that :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on January 17, 2013, 06:53:21 PM
Pilots notes.

http://id.scribd.com/doc/52179180/1944-Air-Publication-1721F-H-J-Pilot-s-Notes-for-Beaufighter-Mark-VI-Two-Hercules-VI-Engines-Marks-TFX-XI-Two-Hercules-XVII-Engines
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on May 12, 2013, 05:56:46 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104339707/Beaufighter-21-Pilot-s-Manual
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rob52240 on May 15, 2013, 11:08:12 AM
Crimany this is a long thread. 

I think it would add to AH.  Especially if the patch came with a DUKW too.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 18, 2013, 03:35:55 AM
Wow, I forgot about this thread. That being said, we still need this big bird.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 20, 2013, 12:41:24 AM
We don't have this yet?

...

Really?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on September 07, 2013, 04:45:39 PM
Considering that we have not got the Beaufighter yet I'm wondering if we will get it at any time.

Considering how few 410s I see being used I'm wondering if this voting "stuff" is worthwhile.

The Yak was a good choice and I applaud the selection of the He111 for events.

Again I reiterate how can a WWII flight SIM/Game not include one of the most important
and widely used aircraft in WWII?  The amount of fun that could be had with the  Beau in the
MA is great.  Getting a group to fly low (which they did) to destroy fleets, cities, and the other
targets that are present in game would be a blast!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 07, 2013, 04:52:45 PM
Again I reiterate how can a WWII flight SIM/Game not include one of the most important
and widely used aircraft in WWII?  The amount of fun that could be had with the  Beau in the
MA is great.  Getting a group to fly low (which they did) to destroy fleets, cities, and the other
targets that are present in game would be a blast!

I am still willing to escort Beaus in the Mossie.  That did happen on occasion.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on September 07, 2013, 07:46:02 PM
I am still willing to escort Beaus in the Mossie.  That did happen on occasion.

Yes it did!  That is what we can recreate.  I believe at times they were escorted by Mustangs and Spitfires (short range) also.

It would make for a fun event.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on September 07, 2013, 08:16:02 PM
Yes it did!  That is what we can recreate.  I believe at times they were escorted by Mustangs and Spitfires (short range) also.

It would make for a fun event.

We would need a Mustang I with two 50 cals and 4 30 cals.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SmokinLoon on September 08, 2013, 08:30:08 AM
I'm sure the Beau will be along in the future, after a Soviet level bomber, the Wellington, the D520, and maybe even after the Ki-100.  Hard telling for sure.   ;)

I know it would be nice to have for PTO scenarios, no doubt.  Seeing these buzzin' around in the MA with Aussie markings would be nice too.

In terms of comparing it to the Mossi, it is slower, carries less ammo (but does have a variant with quad 20mm and quad .50's???), and can carry a torpedo, it really isn't all that different as an attack platform.  The main issue seems to be the extreme need to have an escort fighter while the Mossi can on occasion out run many of the fighters to safety if the conditions are right (sun, moon, and stars all align).
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on September 09, 2013, 09:01:03 AM
In terms of comparing it to the Mossi, it is slower, carries less ammo (but does have a variant with quad 20mm and quad .50's???), and can carry a torpedo, it really isn't all that different as an attack platform.  The main issue seems to be the extreme need to have an escort fighter while the Mossi can on occasion out run many of the fighters to safety if the conditions are right (sun, moon, and stars all align).
It would probably be sturdier than the mossie, somewhere between the mossie and the A20. I think later beau models carried as much 20mm ammo as the mossie, but I am not sure about that. Beaus can dogfight and like the A20 will probably be able to surprise many late war fighters that will try to slow down and turn with them. Not as good a fighters as the mossie, but then again, many fighters are not as good a fighters as the mossie. The mossie is as fast as an F4U-D on the deck as long as it has its WEP. The Beau will have a much harder time to get out of the fray.

In early and mid war arenas and scenarios it will be good as a bomber hunter and as a strike option when JABOs did not carry that many bombs. True, in late war arena it will be a challenging plane. HOWEVER! 4 hispanos in the nose cannot be ignored!

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/Aces%20High%20Motivational%20Posters/hispanos.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on September 09, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
+1 for the BEAU!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on September 09, 2013, 06:12:21 PM
carries less ammo (but does have a variant with quad 20mm and quad .50's???), and can carry a torpedo, it really isn't all that different as an attack platform.

I have seen numbers listed between 240 and 283 RPG for the 20mm in the Beau (belt feed models). Thats a lot more then the mossie can lug around.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SmokinLoon on September 09, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
I have seen numbers listed between 240 and 283 RPG for the 20mm in the Beau (belt feed models). Thats a lot more then the mossie can lug around.

Thing is though is HTC going to model the 20mm's with the drums or the belts?  If they model the belts then the Beau will be nearly equal to the Mossi, or maybe even step higher in terms of ammo capacity.

What is your source for the capacity over 240 rds a gun?  The only time I've seen 240 rds a gun on the Beau is when the drums were mentioned and the navigator/radioman/reloader/steward is in play.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on September 09, 2013, 10:19:01 PM
I'm sure the Beau will be along in the future, after a Soviet level bomber, the Wellington, the D520, and maybe even after the Ki-100.  Hard telling for sure.   ;)

I know it would be nice to have for PTO scenarios, no doubt.  Seeing these buzzin' around in the MA with Aussie markings would be nice too.

In terms of comparing it to the Mossi, it is slower, carries less ammo (but does have a variant with quad 20mm and quad .50's???), and can carry a torpedo, it really isn't all that different as an attack platform.  The main issue seems to be the extreme need to have an escort fighter while the Mossi can on occasion out run many of the fighters to safety if the conditions are right (sun, moon, and stars all align).

Actually one of it's attributes, in particular in the PTO was it's speed on the deck.  As it flew in the ETO, MTO, PTO, and CBI it was everywhere and in numbers.  It would have far more use in scenarios then the Mossie actually as the Mossie was not nearly as involved in the PTO and CBI or MTO for that matter.

That it could lug bombs, rockets or a torp along with the heavy cannon would make it useful too.  Considering the length of it's service too, it ought to get here before any of those you mentioned as well.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on September 09, 2013, 10:47:32 PM
Thing is though is HTC going to model the 20mm's with the drums or the belts?  If they model the belts then the Beau will be nearly equal to the Mossi, or maybe even step higher in terms of ammo capacity.

What is your source for the capacity over 240 rds a gun?  The only time I've seen 240 rds a gun on the Beau is when the drums were mentioned and the navigator/radioman/reloader/steward is in play.

http://www.wlu.ca/lcmsds/cmh/back%20issues/CMH/volume%204/Issue%202/Brown%20-%20Indian%20days%20and%20Burmese%20Nights%20-%20Flying%20Beaufighters%20in%20Southeast%20Asia%20with%20177%20RAF%20Squadron.pdf

On page 19 he talks about using all 250 RPG.

I have seen numbers all around this in other sources.  Also 1000rpg for the 303s have been mentioned too. so if these numbers are right... thats 1000 20mm rounds and 6000 303 rounds. But I need to find the old documents that show that (I am at work so not able to search easy).
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 09, 2013, 10:59:22 PM
4 * 250 = 1000 not 2000.  :p

Still, a lot of Hispano ammo.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on September 09, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
4 * 250 = 1000 not 2000.  :p

Still, a lot of Hispano ammo.

 :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on September 09, 2013, 11:07:16 PM
http://www.wlu.ca/lcmsds/cmh/back%20issues/CMH/volume%204/Issue%202/Brown%20-%20Indian%20days%20and%20Burmese%20Nights%20-%20Flying%20Beaufighters%20in%20Southeast%20Asia%20with%20177%20RAF%20Squadron.pdf

On page 19 he talks about using all 250 RPG.

I have seen numbers all around this in other sources.  Also 1000rpg for the 303s have been mentioned too. so if these numbers are right... thats 1000 20mm rounds and 6000 303 rounds. But I need to find the old documents that show that (I am at work so not able to search easy).

Early Beaus had 240rpg and upgraded to 283rpg in 1942.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on September 09, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
I don't want it.

Why?

Because I didn't wish for it.

Why?

Because there was already a wish for it.

Why?

Because I want it.

 :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on September 10, 2013, 04:41:40 AM
Thing is though is HTC going to model the 20mm's with the drums or the belts?  If they model the belts then the Beau will be nearly equal to the Mossi, or maybe even step higher in terms of ammo capacity.
Mosquitoes F.II loaded 220-240 RPG when going on intruder missions. I don't know if that was used in FB.VI or if it was even possible.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: shoresroad on September 10, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
+1 for the Beaufighter :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 10, 2013, 09:10:42 PM
Mosquitoes F.II loaded 220-240 RPG when going on intruder missions. I don't know if that was used in FB.VI or if it was even possible.
Per the RAF Museum's reply to me when I asked, per the maintenance manual for the FB.Mk VI could do 150 rounds per gun or an overload of 175 rounds per gun.  I forwarded that email to HTC when they added the Mossie.

I seem to recall reading that the Mk 30 carried more as well, though I'd have to go digging for that info.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TGG93 on September 11, 2013, 05:58:02 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/Beaufighter%20Profile%20137/Profile137_Beaufighter_page_14.jpg)

That top story is interesting.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9a636d3ca250607dc416220dabce2828/tumblr_msxvd9SEXz1rhvtmko1_1280.jpg)

"Bristol Beaufighter Mark IC, T4800 ‘ND-C’, of No. 236 Squadron of the Royal Air Force. T4800 was flown on an unusual mission by Flight Lieutenant A.K. Gatward along with his navigator Sergeant G. Fern on the 12th of June 1942. After taking off from Thorney Island in West Sussex, the aircraft flew at low level to occupied Paris and dropped a French tricolour flag on the Arc de Triomphe in an act of defiance before strafing the Gestapo Headquarters in the Ministere de la Marine with cannon fire. Upon returning safely, Flight Lieutenant Gatward was immediately awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross."
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on September 11, 2013, 10:59:45 AM
We would need a Mustang I with two 50 cals and 4 30 cals.

The escorts were Mustang III and IV. Way up thread I posted a photo of a Beau with an escorting RAF Mustang III.

The Mustang I were army co-op/recce birds.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 11, 2013, 08:17:37 PM
What is the consensus as to which version of the Beaufighter should be added?  The versions I see mentioned most often are the Mk VI, Mk X and Mk.21.  Mk I doesn't seem to come up often.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on September 11, 2013, 08:26:37 PM
Mosquitoes F.II loaded 220-240 RPG when going on intruder missions. I don't know if that was used in FB.VI or if it was even possible.

I believe those were the 25 F.II Intruder "Specials" for 23 Squadron from mid-42 onwards. They took a couple to the Med with them, one flew there until mid-43, eventually became a training aircraft.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on September 11, 2013, 08:28:29 PM
What is the consensus as to which version of the Beaufighter should be added?  The versions I see mentioned most often are the Mk VI, Mk X and Mk.21.  Mk I doesn't seem to come up often.

I'd reckon we'd need a variety - an early night-fighter Desert jobbie, a Torbeau, and a rocket-equipped strafer spring to mind.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Reaper90 on September 11, 2013, 08:32:55 PM
The Whirlwind would eat its lunch.  :old:

Just sayin'.

 :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Scherf on September 11, 2013, 08:43:21 PM
Hmmm, no rockets, no torp, 60 rounds per gun.

Different kettle of fish.

But I guess you knew that.

 :old:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on September 11, 2013, 10:29:31 PM
I'd reckon we'd need a variety - an early night-fighter Desert jobbie, a Torbeau, and a rocket-equipped strafer spring to mind.
Thing is, I'd be willing to bet that when we get the Beaufighter we only get one version of it.  We only had a single mark of the Mossie for nearly a decade and are still missing core versions of the Mossie.  I really don't see use getting more than one Beaufighter, so the question is which makes the most sense and can any of them bye hybrided the way the I-16 is to effectively give us two or three versions all in one package?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on September 15, 2013, 07:57:53 PM
 :noid
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on September 16, 2013, 04:24:40 PM
Only if the Hybrid is like the I-16, and not something like the F4F-3/4 we have. :aok  Otherwise, what would be the variant that would serve best?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: icepac on September 17, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
Thing is, I'd be willing to bet that when we get the Beaufighter we only get one version of it.  We only had a single mark of the Mossie for nearly a decade and are still missing core versions of the Mossie.  I really don't see use getting more than one Beaufighter, so the question is which makes the most sense and can any of them bye hybrided the way the I-16 is to effectively give us two or three versions all in one package?

I like this.

I've seen the PE2 in another sim that was "hybrided" by virtue of selecting the loadout in the hangar.

PE3 was one of the loadouts.

It would allow aces high to reduce the amount of plane numbers in cases of variants that are close performance wise but vary greatly in loadouts.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: aztec on September 17, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
Pleas add the BFB so we never have to see this thread again ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on September 17, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: lyric1 on February 04, 2014, 04:58:07 AM
The Australian war memorial has started putting the films that they have been archived online now. :x

DAP-MK21 film in colour. :rock

http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F04758/
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: danny76 on February 04, 2014, 05:11:21 AM
Pleas add the BFB so we never have to see this thread again ;)

Absolutely :old:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on February 04, 2014, 05:31:23 AM
Do we really have to get to page 67?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: danny76 on February 04, 2014, 05:48:13 AM
Should never have gotten this far!

Beaufighter should have been added at page 1 :old:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on February 04, 2014, 06:04:45 AM
Do we really have to get to page 67?

Until the Beau is flying in game, this thread is not long enough!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: artik on February 04, 2014, 06:08:24 AM
+1  :old:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: HornetUK on February 04, 2014, 07:43:33 AM
+1  :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ron on February 07, 2014, 06:31:26 AM
+1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ReVo on February 07, 2014, 07:23:39 AM
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedkingdom/aircraft/fighter/bristol-beaufighter-fighter/bristol-beaufighter-fighter-04.png)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Devil 505 on February 07, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
Until the Beau is flying in game, this thread is not long enough!
He's right. Let's light this candle.

+1 for the Beaufighter.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: alpini13 on February 07, 2014, 06:15:18 PM
-1 not needed
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: phatzo on February 07, 2014, 07:23:50 PM
Why not? This aircraft will open up a lot of new aspects to FSO considering the all the different theaters it served in and be a bit of fun in the MA.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: HornetUK on February 08, 2014, 05:23:55 AM
Total agree +1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Bruv119 on February 08, 2014, 07:58:57 AM
need a more robust mossie,  +1

watched a good video on the Aussies using her to good effect.   
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on February 08, 2014, 12:29:13 PM
-1 not needed
You opened page 67 with that!
If we get to page 68 and still no Beaufighter, I'll blame you and there will be hell to pay!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 08, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
You opened page 67 with that!
If we get to page 68 and still no Beaufighter, I'll blame you and there will be hell to pay!
He's just being a negative ninny, probably based on the cold reception his Italian bomber/transport wish got.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ReVo on February 08, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
As long as we're wishing upon stars.. Think I could have the He219 too?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 08, 2014, 03:12:55 PM
As long as we're wishing upon stars.. Think I could have the He219 too?
Sure, but I doubt you'd be happy with it.  It was a dog.

It is also massively less significant than the Beaufighter, or numerous other aircraft missing from AH.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on February 08, 2014, 06:31:57 PM
I just hope there is shipping added with the Beau. :x  But add her anyway! :banana:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FLOOB on February 09, 2014, 12:50:40 AM
LOLZ dude at the beginning of this thread saying how sexy 410 is.

The beaufighter would be a great plane.


















FOR ME TO POOP ON!
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on February 09, 2014, 03:35:39 AM
OMG, look at the first post date on this thread:
« on: December 31, 2008, 10:35:55 PM »
5+ years later and we are still wishing.
This is about as long as it took to fix the Mossie VI, so I feel we are getting there! :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: ReVo on February 09, 2014, 04:43:40 AM
Sure, but I doubt you'd be happy with it.  It was a dog.

It is also massively less significant than the Beaufighter, or numerous other aircraft missing from AH.

By all accounts it was a good night fighter, decently fast, good vis, even had a few kills on the Mossie. Roughly 300 were built which is more then a few of the rides we have in game. I'm not saying we don't need the Beaufighter just suggesting that it might be something fun.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: icepac on February 09, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
Wasn't the beaufighter voted out in favor of the Yak3 that is being called unfairly uber by the very people who voted it in over the beaufighter?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on February 09, 2014, 11:15:58 AM
Wasn't the beaufighter voted out in favor of the Yak3 that is being called unfairly uber by the very people who voted it in over the beaufighter?
No, Beaufighter lost the the semi-final round to the Yak-3 and the Me410.  The Me410 won the final round.  The Yak-3 was added without a poll.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: morfiend on February 09, 2014, 04:53:05 PM
OMG, look at the first post date on this thread:
« on: December 31, 2008, 10:35:55 PM »
5+ years later and we are still wishing.
This is about as long as it took to fix the Mossie VI, so I feel we are getting there! :)


   :rofl :rofl :rofl

  I read this and laughed,but then I thought back and realized you are correct!   Hopefully it's right around the corner!


    :salute
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TOMCAT21 on February 12, 2014, 05:16:11 PM
2 weeks  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on February 25, 2014, 03:45:07 PM
SOON.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on February 25, 2014, 05:53:26 PM
Beau-beau-beau rhymes with mo'-mo'-mo'. Bring it. Bring all the twins.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: HighTone on February 25, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
Ehhhh....-1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on February 25, 2014, 08:51:19 PM
You opened page 67 with that!
If we get to page 68 and still no Beaufighter, I'll blame you and there will be hell to pay!
*knock* *knock* *knock*  :devil


 :bolt:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Vudu15 on February 26, 2014, 01:58:07 PM
Ehhhh....-1
For what reason would you say no to the Beaufighter? It served everywhere and will carry everything.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fulcrum on February 26, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
+1
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on May 02, 2014, 02:41:11 AM
Nice documentary, well worth watching. Especially of interest to the Australian AH members:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUvAUw37D8

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on May 02, 2014, 04:15:41 AM
Holey Smoke Nrshida,

Im watching the video and looking for this thread to post it. Did you surf from the Typhoon>Blenheim youtube pages??

Thanks for finding the thread
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on May 02, 2014, 05:20:08 AM
Check out the load out and the wing and power loading and I think the case becomes overwhelming. This thing will be the kind of monster that can come in heavy, lay waste to the base, then stick around for some devastating turn and burn to expunge any red stragglers. The only thing it doesn't have is a lot of escapability...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on May 02, 2014, 06:42:10 AM
Holey Smoke Nrshida,

Im watching the video and looking for this thread to post it. Did you surf from the Typhoon>Blenheim youtube pages??

Thanks for finding the thread


No I found the video a few weeks ago, you just reminded me of it on the Typhoon thread.  :salute

What about the bit where he gathers pieces of jungle treetop in his cowlings?  :lol

Also interesting how they didn't seem to fear the Zero.  :rock





Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: FTJR on May 02, 2014, 10:37:16 AM
Rgr that,

Yes enough wood for the fire for the month. lol.

I liked the bit where he looked over to see the skip bomb from the b25 only 50 yards off his wing. That seemed abit crazy. :rock

Cheers.

JR
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on May 02, 2014, 12:16:40 PM
I've read after action reports from beau pilots that gave me the impression the beau was Britain's twin engine version of our jug for damage resistance. Is the beau sans ordinance more maneuverable than the 110? Once it's in the game, the first squad or mission commander who organizes its beau strike force properly for NOE smash and grab, will change field captures back similar to the old days of lightning NOE sneaks.

Just like we have some star names as monsters in the Mossi6. Any candidates on who will become our beau sticks?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: nrshida on May 02, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
I've read after action reports from beau pilots that gave me the impression the beau was Britain's twin engine version of our jug for damage resistance. Is the beau sans ordinance more maneuverable than the 110?

She's got about 20% larger wing area, being derived from a bomber. Need to know more than wing-loading though such as the elevator movement and control authority etcetera. Usually larger planes have more docile handling.

I think especially if you watch that documentary (and assuming it's modeled realistically) it would be one of the toughest aircraft in the game. On a par or surpassing an A-20, which sort of makes sense.

Would be nice to have something Bristol-engined in the game. In the documentary you can see them refitting one of the heads with the engine still mounted.  :banana:



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 02, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
She's got about 20% larger wing area, being derived from a bomber. Need to know more than wing-loading though such as the elevator movement and control authority etcetera. Usually larger planes have more docile handling.

I think especially if you watch that documentary (and assuming it's modeled realistically) it would be one of the toughest aircraft in the game. On a par or surpassing an A-20, which sort of makes sense.
The Beau gave a "relatively good" account of itself when dogfighting with 109s. Relatively good that means it depends on your expectations. Of course it was not a pure fighter and unlike the mossie, it could not simply leave the bandits in its wake. It was Britain's premier night fighter before the mossies took over, but that did not involve much elaborate ACMs. Light and slow it can probably keep up with many fighters in a turn, but will be easily out-climed and out run by most. An Israeli Beau got a maneuver kill on a Sea Furry during the independence war. Pretty funny that an obsolete twin engine fighter got a kill on perhaps the best prop fighter ever. The Beau pilot was a very experienced WWII veteran though.

Durability wise, I suppose it would be a good contender for the toughest plane in the game. The comparison with the A20 is probably valid, as both planes are small sized bombers with radial engines that shared many combat roles. The Beau had an extremely good reputation for durability.

I dont think that many players will make it their main ride, but it will not be a total hangar queen either. Very very useful in scenarios, serving in all theaters throughout the war, in many roles. In the MA, if it rolls out of the BH it will become the desperation fighter much like the A20 is used now when the FHs are down. For this reason, and to disable F3 view it should roll out of the FH. Decent attack plane and heavy fighter for the advanced players.
 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 02, 2014, 03:50:06 PM
I remember the Mossie VI launching from Bomber Hangars in v1.08.  It was moved to Fighter Hangers in v1.081 or v1.082, but for that short period there were an awful lot of Mossie VIs getting vulched as they tried to act as last ditch fighters.

Beaufighter will launch from Fighter Hangars.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Butcher on May 03, 2014, 12:51:21 PM
I dont think that many players will make it their main ride, but it will not be a total hangar queen either. Very very useful in scenarios, serving in all theaters throughout the war, in many roles. In the MA, if it rolls out of the BH it will become the desperation fighter much like the A20 is used now when the FHs are down. For this reason, and to disable F3 view it should roll out of the FH. Decent attack plane and heavy fighter for the advanced players.
 

The Beaufighter is more of a tactical bomber then it is a "fighter". Every aircraft the Axis has can out run it, out climb, and out fight it, on the Japanese side it would be interesting since Aussie Beau's went against A6m3's and Oscars which would put the durability to a test.

I just wonder which aircraft would be better, 410 or Beau.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on May 03, 2014, 01:06:14 PM
She's got about 20% larger wing area, being derived from a bomber. Need to know more than wing-loading though such as the elevator movement and control authority etcetera. Usually larger planes have more docile handling.

I think especially if you watch that documentary (and assuming it's modeled realistically) it would be one of the toughest aircraft in the game. On a par or surpassing an A-20, which sort of makes sense.

Would be nice to have something Bristol-engined in the game. In the documentary you can see them refitting one of the heads with the engine still mounted.  :banana:




Fair enough... You'd also need to know the structural limits. Mr. Spitty being a prime example of what can happen with low wingloading, lots of control authority, and suboptimal structural limits... Still, this all looks promising, so far. My own take: this thing will be a real threat low and slow, on the deck and in the ack.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Rich46yo on May 03, 2014, 02:00:37 PM
The Beau continues to be dissed, most of all by History. I Love this Doc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUvAUw37D8
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xavier on May 04, 2014, 06:36:38 AM
410 should come first. Becuase it is sexier than the beuafighter

The prophecy has been fulfilled!  :old:

Now give us the Beaufighter, us 410 pilots need another dog to duel!  :old:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xavier on May 04, 2014, 06:47:02 AM
Now in all seriousness, how would it be used? Jabo? It's got 4 hispanos but carries less ammo & ords than a mossie, and is quite slower too.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 04, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
Now in all seriousness, how would it be used? Jabo? It's got 4 hispanos but carries less ammo & ords than a mossie, and is quite slower too.
IIRC, it carried 1200 rounds of Hispano ammo.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xavier on May 04, 2014, 07:19:56 AM
IIRC, it carried 1200 rounds of Hispano ammo.

Where have you seen that figure? I've always heard they carried 60rpg (one drum), but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 04, 2014, 07:44:08 AM
Where have you seen that figure? I've always heard they carried 60rpg (one drum), but I could be mistaken.
The early versions had Hispano Mk I's that had 60 round drums, but even then it carried many drums with the navigator being expected to replace them as needed.  Later versions had the belt fed Hispano Mk IIs.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Xavier on May 04, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
If they weren't drum-fed anymore yes, more than 60rpg is to be expected. But what version would we get? A late war variant?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on May 04, 2014, 08:44:25 AM
If they weren't drum-fed anymore yes, more than 60rpg is to be expected. But what version would we get? A late war variant?
Even the drum fed version would have more than 60rpg.  The tail gun on the G4M1 was drum fed, but in AH drums aren't modeled so all the ammo is available as though on a belt.  The early Beaufighter would be the same.

As to which version we'd get, only HTC can say.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on May 04, 2014, 08:48:09 AM
But what version would we get? A late war variant?
If we get only one version it will probably be one of the later to make it more main arena viable. But even "late" Beau is not a 1945 plane... it pretty much reached its peak in mid war. iirc the last models were mostly about various weapon carrying capabilities and only minor improvements in performance. Earlier models will be available in the BoB.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on September 22, 2014, 05:09:53 PM
I found these just now.

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/beau_zps1a43f9e1.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/beaufi_zpsa891ad67.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/b1_zps190e4a81.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/bea2_zps9022f4d4.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/bismarksea_zps0a8b381c.jpg)

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: SmokinLoon on September 22, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
I found these just now.

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/beau_zps1a43f9e1.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/beaufi_zpsa891ad67.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/b1_zps190e4a81.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/bea2_zps9022f4d4.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/jbsaccount/bismarksea_zps0a8b381c.jpg)



Sweet pics!  Good stuff!!!!   :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on September 22, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
(http://www.airpages.ru/ot/raaf_03.jpg)

With a total of 582 British-built and Australian-built aircraft accepted by the RAAF, the Beaufighter was one of the most important types of aircraft operated by that Service. Illustrated here is A19-120, LY-H, a Beaufighter VIC from No. 30 Squadron seen flying over Goodenough Island in 1944.
(via Frank Smith).

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on September 23, 2014, 02:02:13 AM
Now in all seriousness, how would it be used? Jabo? It's got 4 hispanos but carries less ammo & ords than a mossie, and is quite slower too.

The only things the Beau has going for it over a Mossie are durability, firepower (the Aussie version had 0.5 in rather than 0.303 wing guns) and the ability to carry a torpedo. For me the torpedo would make it an occasional ride. I enjoy an occasional suicide mission in Ju 88s or a TBM if I reckon there is a chance fleet gunners might not see me coming. In a Beau I could clear some fleet AA with rockets, drop a torpedo and (compared to the TBM or 88s) still have some sort of chance vs fighters.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Fish42 on September 23, 2014, 02:25:12 AM
The early versions had Hispano Mk I's that had 60 round drums, but even then it carried many drums with the navigator being expected to replace them as needed.  Later versions had the belt fed Hispano Mk IIs.

Earlier in the thread, the figures quoted for the load out were, 283 RPG for the 20mms and 1000 RPG for the 303s. So thats 1132 rounds of 20mm, and 6000 rounds of 303. I don't think we have a number on the 50cal loadout, but I am sure they kept a large belt for all the ground attack the beaus were doing.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on September 23, 2014, 04:25:30 AM
Now in all seriousness, how would it be used? Jabo? It's got 4 hispanos but carries less ammo & ords than a mossie, and is quite slower too.
The beau was inferior to the mossie no doubt. This is why the mossie replaced it in many roles. Consider it as the predecessor to the mossie. It will not transform the arenas, but will be a fun plane and not a total pos. I prefer having a Beau over an earlier mossie model - will be more useful in events and more diverse.

The torpedo carrying will be a unique feature.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on September 23, 2014, 08:52:19 PM
Keep in mind for Events the Beau would be heaven sent.  They were all over the MTO.  They were all over the PTO and CBI.  They certainly were there in the ETO.  You aren't going to sub the Mossie for that ride as the Mossie is a better performer.  But it wasn't there until the end if at all in some cases.

Of  the birds we DON'T have, the Beau is by far the one that was involved in combat the longest in the war and in the most places.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: glzsqd on September 24, 2014, 01:07:07 AM
Keep in mind for Events the Beau would be heaven sent.  They were all over the MTO.  They were all over the PTO and CBI.  They certainly were there in the ETO.  You aren't going to sub the Mossie for that ride as the Mossie is a better performer.  But it wasn't there until the end if at all in some cases.

Of  the birds we DON'T have, the Beau is by far the one that was involved in combat the longest in the war and in the most places.

B25J comes close...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Devil 505 on September 25, 2014, 04:47:14 PM
Keep in mind for Events the Beau would be heaven sent.  They were all over the MTO.  They were all over the PTO and CBI.  They certainly were there in the ETO.  You aren't going to sub the Mossie for that ride as the Mossie is a better performer.  But it wasn't there until the end if at all in some cases.

Of  the birds we DON'T have, the Beau is by far the one that was involved in combat the longest in the war and in the most places.
indeed.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: BudHeavy on September 25, 2014, 05:57:20 PM
A huge +1 from me!  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on September 27, 2014, 11:10:53 PM
B25J comes close...

We've got versions of the 25 and the J model 25 doesn't come close at all to the Beau we don't have in terms of combat time.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on September 29, 2014, 02:15:17 PM
Hitech,

May we please finally get this thing and the Boomerang? Then these two posts can finally earn their well deserved rest.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on August 02, 2015, 03:35:26 AM
Only two more weeks till we get the Beau!
 :banana:  :x
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: JVboob on August 02, 2015, 08:32:12 AM
dang bozon...lol B25J and the beau
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: BudHeavy on August 03, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
I'm still all for it, however the Tu2 seems a less fragile alternative than the Mossie...and has defensive armament.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on August 03, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
I'm still all for it, however the Tu2 seems a less fragile alternative than the Mossie...and has defensive armament.
And a vastly higher loss rate than the Mossie...

The real advantage of the Tu-2 over the Mossie XVI is the flexibility of its bomb load.

The Tu-2 and Mossie XVI are not competitors with the Beaufighter at all.  The Beaufighter falls in with the A-20G, Mossie VI, Bf110s and Me410.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Lusche on August 03, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
I'm still all for it, however the Tu2 seems a less fragile alternative than the Mossie...and has defensive armament.

From a fighter point of view, I actually find the TuTu's to be delightfully fragile...
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Zimme83 on August 04, 2015, 06:49:51 AM
Tu-2 is also far less maneuverable than a moss 6, it doesnt like speed at all.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: BudHeavy on August 04, 2015, 06:35:43 PM
My experience with the Tu is limited I admit, and you all make excellent observations. If we ever get the Beau it may well become my fave attack ride, as the B25H and P40N are now. Flying the older and more challenging birds is just my way of being different, I suppose. The Beau would fit my personality and I gravitate towards the more rugged rides because I tend to collect alot of damage any time I sortie.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: icepac on August 04, 2015, 06:40:33 PM
The minute it becomes available, I will likely fly it exclusively for an entire tour.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 04, 2015, 08:56:52 PM
From a fighter point of view, I actually find the TuTu's to be delightfully fragile...

Extremely fragile.  A snot nosed kid with a spit wad can shoot down a Tu-2.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on August 05, 2015, 04:01:05 AM
 :mad:
Extremely fragile.  A snot nosed kid with a spit wad can shoot down a Tu-2.
Not to mention a Beau lobbing Hispano rounds from 4 nose-mounted cannons, and a bunch of 303s or 0.5s.

Why are we discussing tu-twos in a Beauthread?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on March 24, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
Was there another wish for the Beau? :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: alpini13 on March 30, 2016, 12:39:51 PM
does it matter? no planes have been added to this game since jan 2014
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 30, 2016, 12:45:18 PM
does it matter? no planes have been added to this game since jan 2014

You do realize that the reason there hasn't been any major additions to the game is because HTC is working on a new version[/b] of the game.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on March 30, 2016, 12:54:47 PM
You do realize that the reason there hasn't been any major additions to the game is because HTC is working on a new version of the game.

You do realize you are pissing into the wind with this response? :P

I don't think the Beau will see more use than the 110 when it comes to hitting a town in the end.  Though I would expect to see more Beau's on towns than 410's though.  My question would be if we'd get a "hybrid" Beau or if we'll get a couple variants. :headscratch:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Chalenge on March 30, 2016, 08:37:01 PM
It carries a torpedo, and I know of three people that would love to fly this plane regularly. I include myself in that desire.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: guncrasher on March 30, 2016, 08:41:04 PM
I know of more than 4 people that would love to fly at a26.  so the a26 should be added first than somewhere down the line after every other airplane has been added, the beau should be added to make you 4 guys happy  :neener:.


semp
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 30, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
I know of more than 4 people that would love to fly at a26.  so the a26 should be added first than somewhere down the line after every other airplane has been added, the beau should be added to make you 4 guys happy  :neener:.


semp
Beaufighter will likely see more use than the A-26 due to the free and high ENY nature of the Beaufighter and perked and low ENY nature of the A-26.  Assuming the Beaufighter's ENY is as high or higher than the Mosquito Mk VI's.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: guncrasher on March 30, 2016, 10:25:31 PM
Beaufighter will likely see more use than the A-26 due to the free and high ENY nature of the Beaufighter and perked and low ENY nature of the A-26.  Assuming the Beaufighter's ENY is as high or higher than the Mosquito Mk VI's.

according to reports only 4 guys will be using it.


semp
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Karnak on March 30, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
according to reports only 4 guys will be using it.


semp
Which reports?  Challenge said he knew four guys that would be using it, not that only four guys would be using it.  Being intentionally obtuse is unbecoming of you.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Chalenge on March 31, 2016, 02:04:46 AM
Besides, the Beaufighter is an Early War plane that was in service until 1960! The A26 didn't come along for two more years, but didn't see action until four years after the Beaufighter. I would have to ask Lyric to research it, but I believe there were more variants and roles for this aircraft than even the Bf-109. The Beaufighter is already long overdo around here.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Zimme83 on March 31, 2016, 10:29:57 AM
The role for the beaufighter would probably be something similar to the 110, it is too slow to survive as a pure fighter so the option left is a s a suicide JABO or in the NOE strike missions.
It's not a reason to not add it though, more planes is always better.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: save on March 31, 2016, 10:40:03 AM
What armour did the beaufighter have ?

What ENY would it have, higher ENY than Mossie VI ENY 30 ??
Its slower, probably turn worse, and have the same extremly good guns.




Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on March 31, 2016, 11:26:02 AM
In AH terms Beaufighter would be inferior to the Mosquito VI in most respects. The Mossie should out climb, out turn and certainly out run it. The Beaufighter was considered a tougher plane, radial-engined and with a stronger airframe. Beaufighters had four Hispanos in the nose and either six wing mounted .303s in the RAF version or four 0.5s in the RAAF version.

The main thing the Beau would have going for it in AH is the option to carry a torpedo. I'll occasionally up a TBM or Ju-88s and try to surprise a task group with a torpedo attack. It is usually suicide of course, but then it often was in RL too. A Beau would make an interesting option to the 88s, only one torp instead of six but it could carry rockets as well as the torp and would have a better chance against fighters.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on March 31, 2016, 12:43:22 PM
Greebo,

Which do you think will be the better furballer? The Beaufighter or the Whirlwind? Or, will they be more on the flying brick side with the Me410?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on March 31, 2016, 01:18:05 PM
Greebo,

Which do you think will be the better furballer? The Beaufighter or the Whirlwind? Or, will they be more on the flying brick side with the Me410?
It is not even a contest. The Whirlwind is a pure fighter while the Beau is a Frankenstein made out of previous bomber parts. The Whirlwind may be a surprisingly good fighter for its period and may even be a viable MA ride.

The Beau will be a slow mossie with better damage absorption power, more ammo to the hispanos and some interesting loadouts. I suspect it will be able to turn tighter and slower than a mossie, but the moss is overall a much better fighter. Historically, both did some dogfighting with 109 and 190. I don't have numbers, but the impression that I got was that the Mossies did better. They were certainly not an easy kill and in a many on many engagement could pose a threat to the attakers as well.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on March 31, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
The Beau sounds like the 110 we all wish it was for doing all those irritating things to airfields we have come to hate a few 110 drivers for. And then it will HO ad nauseum and sneak up out of the grass and mow your hairy posterior while you are busy with two fighters defending your field. If the Beau driver is sneaky, he brings a Whirlwind buddy to keep everyone off his posterior and a Mossi buddy to stay high and make people paranoid. Think of all the musical HOing that will be going on...... :O
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: save on March 31, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
They will stop after trying to HO a rocket equipped ME410 with mk103 30mms, I wish the Me410 could absorb more damage though. It must be the most vulnerable 2 engine heavy fighter in AH2.



Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on March 31, 2016, 03:56:37 PM
They will adapt, especially the Whirly fighters guys.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: oboe on April 01, 2016, 08:40:30 AM
 :rock

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/Beaufighter-promo2.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/tjlaven/media/Beaufighter-promo2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Zacherof on April 01, 2016, 08:51:10 AM
The role for the beaufighter would probably be something similar to the 110, it is too slow to survive as a pure fighter so the option left is a s a suicide JABO or in the NOE strike missions.
It's not a reason to not add it though, more planes is always better.
Then someone isn't flying enough. This is a plane where you can really test your self as a pilot.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on April 01, 2016, 02:15:33 PM
:rock

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/Beaufighter-promo2.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/tjlaven/media/Beaufighter-promo2.jpg.html)
What kind of foul magic is that ?!  :uhoh
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bustr on April 01, 2016, 03:18:29 PM
Beautiful magic, if he had only photo shopped it against a beta terrain. That might have gotten a few believing....... :O
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Volron on April 01, 2016, 03:32:14 PM
Not to mention it was used before. :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Zacherof on April 01, 2016, 03:41:56 PM
I would fly this as a pure fighter if they had he 50 cal raf version. Sexy plane tho
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Greebo on April 02, 2016, 01:36:04 AM
Its odd, you'd think I'd remember having skinned that......

My guess is that if HTC model the Beaufighter they will create an RAF Mk X/RAAF Mk 21 hybrid where the six .303s or four 0.5s wing guns would be a hangar option. They had the same airframe and engines and the only visual difference between the two is a little bump just in front of the cockpit for an auto pilot on the Aussie version. IIRC the Aussie version could also accept US rockets instead of British ones.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on April 02, 2016, 03:34:15 AM
I would fly this as a pure fighter if they had he 50 cal raf version. Sexy plane tho
0.5, 303... the MGs are just gravy on top of the quad nose Hispanos.

Sexy, I dont know. It belongs to the category of "so ugly that it is beautiful"...
or in this case, "beautifghter".
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: JVboob on April 03, 2016, 06:45:15 PM
beau or whirly bird idc but bustr has the right train of thought  :joystick: :joystick: :joystick:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Zacherof on April 03, 2016, 10:30:24 PM
0.5, 303... the MGs are just gravy on top of the quad nose Hispanos.

Sexy, I dont know. It belongs to the category of "so ugly that it is beautiful"...
or in this case, "beautifghter".
Well I have a slightly heavy trigger finger. In the Missin I always have mg's left over after the canons. .50's you could still lay some hate and be a force to be somewhat reckoned with
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: bozon on January 31, 2017, 06:28:42 AM
Lest we forget!  :old:

what does a thread like you doing on page 13?  :devil
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Majors on May 11, 2020, 01:26:59 PM
Hi Mates

Me again.  Been asking for a Beaufighter for over 10 years.  This aircraft served in every area of WW2.  While people like Greebo, Skuz, Hitech are still around, please design and get one of these in our aircraft collection. 

Super airplane.  Should be here.

Many thanks

Cheers


Majors
249RAF(Ret)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 01:37:22 PM
Skuz ain't around (retired - good for him). If HT ever isn't the game won't be.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on May 11, 2020, 02:21:55 PM
I agree this topic needs revisited.  Within the pages are Drawings, prints, several books of various models, Pilots notes,several of which I posted with the actual Pilot crossing out landing speeds and inserting his own.

Again.............as so many of us have asked for over 10 years why has this war winning aircraft been omitted?  It was versatile and would add a lot to the game and events as it served throughout all theaters of WWII.  I actually sent prints to Pyro from our NASM to view to help in modeling.  Along with other drawings of the Beau from the design board.  I posted pictures of the cockpit of the Beau also.

Yep.........this deserves to be looked at again.  Here's hoping! 
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Perhaps its not because the Mosquito is?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on May 11, 2020, 03:53:16 PM
I would venture to say, "the most requested bird that is not in the game".
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on May 11, 2020, 07:01:54 PM
Perhaps its not because the Mosquito is?

Apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 07:04:20 PM
Apples to oranges.

More like Red Delicious to Fuji. ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on May 11, 2020, 07:24:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dOpzPL2.png)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: hazmatt on May 11, 2020, 08:07:25 PM
Personally I think that it wouldn't get much use in MA. It's too slow to compete with the spaceships zipping around in there. I think you'd up seeing it even less then the 410.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Majors on June 23, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
Hi Mates

Ah yes, I was harping on this back in 2009 as well.  The Beaufighter and Beaufort belong in a WW2 game.  You got the Brewster Buffalo for pete's sake!! 

Great ground support and the Beufort served as torp bomber in ever theater of war in WW2.  Could use another torp bomber.

Cheeries


Majors
249RAF (Ret)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: TryHard on June 23, 2020, 12:13:30 PM
Problem is for the vast majority of players (other than AvA and special events) this isn't a world war 2 game. Its an open world conquest game with WW2 Era equipment.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2020, 12:57:10 PM
Also, nobody can seem to sell this. If Dale was interested in including this model then he would have, by now. Currently, Aces High features 95 models and variants of fighter, attack and bomber aircraft, 23 models and variants of ground vehicles, from tanks to jeep and, debate-ably, the premier ships of the war (along with the Elco PT boat). Add to that ground guns of various kinds. This is a fairly rich and robust list of toys in this game, even when we consider a few models left out that would benefit events. When it comes to event gaps, the Beaus don't climb to the top of that list in my opinion. Add to the fact that game support is now strictly a work from home thing with the AH staff having been pared down, significantly.

Aces High still has legs, as is, but the time and energy to add new models to fill in a fetish of a few players is in limited quantity.

If there is another model added to this game then it better be able to create a customer draw as well as an event boost.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on June 23, 2020, 01:44:13 PM
You see them often in War Thunder, so there is a market.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2020, 02:10:05 PM
You see them often in War Thunder, so there is a market.

WT has them so AH should model them? That's what should drive modeling in AH?

WT also has:

(https://wiki.warthunder.com/images/thumb/8/8d/GarageImage_XP-55.jpg/420px-GarageImage_XP-55.jpg)

And:

(https://wiki.warthunder.com/images/thumb/7/7d/GarageImage_F8F-1B.jpg/420px-GarageImage_F8F-1B.jpg)

And:

(https://wiki.warthunder.com/images/thumb/1/14/GarageImage_Firecrest.jpg/420px-GarageImage_Firecrest.jpg)

That game adds models randomly to drive micro-purchases.

I'm sorry, I wouldn't use that reasoning to back the Beaus.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on June 23, 2020, 03:08:32 PM
Why must you jump straight to reductio ad absurdum Arlo? Any chance you can articulate a better argument?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2020, 03:14:44 PM
Why must you jump straight to reductio ad absurdum Arlo? Any chance you can articulate a better argument?

Seems you're prone to Ad Hominem. Get back to me when you have that supposed better argument, yourself.  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on June 23, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
Why must you jump straight to reductio ad absurdum Arlo? Any chance you can articulate a better argument?

LOL that was a pretty good argument not to use WT for anything but laughs.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on June 23, 2020, 07:14:23 PM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2020, 07:23:07 PM
:rolleyes:

Dolby, your 'logical argument expertise' example is impressive.  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on June 23, 2020, 08:51:04 PM
You are trolling, what's the point?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2020, 10:03:01 PM
You are trolling, what's the point?

Sorry you got your feelings hurt but I clearly laid out my argument as to why the Beaus don't seem vital or a great #1 pick of what needs modeling in AH (if a new model is ever made). You came back with WT as an argument which seems a shade closer to trolling, actually. If you have a better 'point' then make it. Swinging your purse at me doesn't seem to be making one.  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on June 24, 2020, 01:59:22 AM
Feelings hurt... What planet are you on?

Your counter argument to my pulling the player usage statistics angle was just Ad Hominem about their micro transactions and "random" models.

There are enough good reasons in the entire thread. Quit trolling the bbs all day, get on facetube or twittler.. hell go out and get some fresh air Arlo.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2020, 07:23:52 AM
Feelings hurt... What planet are you on?

Your counter argument to my pulling the player usage statistics angle was just Ad Hominem about their micro transactions and "random" models.

There are enough good reasons in the entire thread. Quit trolling the bbs all day, get on facetube or twittler.. hell go out and get some fresh air Arlo.

Obviously your 'angle' came and went. You're now just lashing. That's a bad thing.

If anyone can make a case that the Beaufighter would be a better choice for Dale to resume adding models over the Nakajima B6N (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_B6N) (an improved Japanese torp bomber for events), the SM.79 Sparviero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.79_Sparviero) (Italy's iconic bomber/torpedo bomber for med events bringing Italian bomber count to 1) or the Fiat G.55 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.55) (Italy's best fighter interceptor aircraft) then by all means. The Beau, to me, is just a Mossie light with worse visability that shares the same service dates and theaters. :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: LCADolby on June 24, 2020, 09:08:53 AM
Lashing now am I?  :rolleyes:
You cant stop trolling can you.
 :banana:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on June 24, 2020, 09:35:55 AM
In any case.... the time for the Beaufighter has come.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2020, 09:52:10 AM
Lashing now am I?  :rolleyes:
You cant stop trolling can you.
 :banana:

I realize you can't see yourself so I'll do us both (everyone) a favor pretend I can't either. Carry on. :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2020, 09:53:44 AM
In any case.... the time for the Beaufighter has come.

It has? Well, if so then we'll see.  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on June 24, 2020, 04:41:27 PM
It has? Well, if so then we'll see.  :D

Watch it now or I will tie your shoes together and slap you with a dead trout.   :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
Watch it now or I will tie your shoes together and slap you with a dead trout.   :rofl

 :D

Honestly, if anything new is modeled in AH at all, at this point, I'd be delighted.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on July 21, 2020, 10:34:52 AM
Arlo our community votes in the latest, with more cannon and speed such as the 410.  I rarely if ever see a 410 being used in game.  Plainly it is a cement truck.  When I do I just shoot it down.  The one using it tries to HO because it can't maneuver for a six shot and plainly was a target for fighters during WWII

The Beaufighter on the other hand was used in all theaters of the war for the duration.  It was used from being a night fighter even by the USAAF during the war in the Med.  The US 417 Night Fighter Squadron used them.  Get the book. Beaufighters in the night by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel - USAF.

It was more versatile then the Mossie and flew usually low level even on the deck missions and at times were escorted.

It would behoove you to get factual information before making remarks.  The Mossies were great for what they did and they Beaufighters were great for what they did.  The Beaufighters were tough birds that used radial instead of inline engines and when they were hit by enemy fire they were much more sturdy.  Along with the four hispanos they had six .303s' or 4 .50 cals depending on model along with torpedoes and/or rockets and bombs the durability of the radial these two facts plus the fact that they were fast on the deck were a plus.  Again comparing apples to oranges.  The Beaus was much more versatile.  And to restate....the Beau flew everywhere and was a war winning aircraft.

As Jack Webb used to say  "Just the facts M'am just the facts."  I'll bet you voted for the Ta 152 also LOL.  The latest greatest most deadliest fastest there is.  (considering 40 of them were in service and the lower then that number that actually flew in combat).
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2020, 11:32:57 AM
Arlo our community votes in the latest, with more cannon and speed such as the 410.  I rarely if ever see a 410 being used in game.  Plainly it is a cement truck.  When I do I just shoot it down.  The one using it tries to HO because it can't maneuver for a six shot and plainly was a target for fighters during WWII

The Beaufighter on the other hand was used in all theaters of the war for the duration.  It was used from being a night fighter even by the USAAF during the war in the Med.  The US 417 Night Fighter Squadron used them.  Get the book. Beaufighters in the night by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel - USAF.

It was more versatile then the Mossie and flew usually low level even on the deck missions and at times were escorted.

It would behoove you to get factual information before making remarks.  The Mossies were great for what they did and they Beaufighters were great for what they did.  The Beaufighters were tough birds that used radial instead of inline engines and when they were hit by enemy fire they were much more sturdy.  Along with the four hispanos they had six .303s' or 4 .50 cals depending on model along with torpedoes and/or rockets and bombs the durability of the radial these two facts plus the fact that they were fast on the deck were a plus.  Again comparing apples to oranges.  The Beaus was much more versatile.  And to restate....the Beau flew everywhere and was a war winning aircraft.

As Jack Webb used to say  "Just the facts M'am just the facts."  I'll bet you voted for the Ta 152 also LOL.  The latest greatest most deadliest fastest there is.  (considering 40 of them were in service and the lower then that number that actually flew in combat).

The 410 isn't a Beaufighter, very good but that wasn't remotely a comparison I made.  :D

Regarding a factual comparison between the Mossie and the Beau that could be a factor in delaying the latter's addition (even when new models were being added), you mean like this from a couple pages back or so?

(https://i.imgur.com/dOpzPL2.png)

Even then, I've recently capitulated and joined the BOSS so it might behoove you to read all the Beau threads before attempting a fish fight. ;)



And presuming I voted in the 152 and the 410 aren't facts, ma'am, but it certainly qualifies as fact fishing. Things that were modeled that I voted support for have been the I-16, Tu-25, A6M5b, both variants of the M4A3, the Sherman VC, the Iowa BB and the He-111. Things I've supported that haven't been modeled (yet, if one is to believe that more stuff is forthcoming) are the SM.79 Sparviero, the Italian M14/41 tank medium tank, the Reggiane Re.2005, Douglas TBD Devastator, the Nakajima B6N torpedo bomber and now the Beaufighter (I figured wth since I doubt there'll be anything new modeled why give the OP and support group an unneeded hurt feeling). I'd +1 the Swordfish or the Gribovsky G-11 just to give emotional support to the op of either. Now you actually have facts as to what I'd support.  :aok
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2020, 11:58:20 AM
Slaps Arlo with a dead trout.  :D
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2020, 12:32:29 PM
Slaps Arlo with a dead trout.  :D

I'm so looking forward to flying the Beaufighter at night in Aces High.  :D

I've been told, as a student of military history, I don't read enough.  :old:

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on July 21, 2020, 01:40:45 PM
I'm so looking forward to flying the Beaufighter at night in Aces High.  :D

I've been told, as a student of military history, I don't read enough.  :old:

All kinds of daytime flying Arlo.  Anti Shipping, ground attack, etc.  Used all over the globe.  The Mossie had issues in the CBI for example where the laminated wood suffered in the heat.  Not so with the Beau :)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2020, 01:56:19 PM
All kinds of daytime flying Arlo.  Anti Shipping, ground attack, etc.  Used all over the globe.  The Mossie had issues in the CBI for example where the laminated wood suffered in the heat.  Not so with the Beau :)

Forgive me. I knew all of that. But I didn't read 'Beaufighters in the night' by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel (not to be confused with 'Three in Thirteen : A Mosquito Night Fighter Pilot in WWII' by Roger Dunsfordand) and therefore was/am too uninformed to have ever been the dissenting vote when I was one of the dissenting votes. I have since reformed and indicated my interest in joining BOSS.  :cool:
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Guppy35 on July 21, 2020, 04:04:20 PM
Forgive me. I knew all of that. But I didn't read 'Beaufighters in the night' by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel (not to be confused with 'Three in Thirteen : A Mosquito Night Fighter Pilot in WWII' by Roger Dunsfordand) and therefore was/am too uninformed to have ever been the dissenting vote when I was one of the dissenting votes. I have since reformed and indicated my interest in joining BOSS.  :cool:

Much better :)   

Some of my PTO Aussie Beau books
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s199/guppy35/RAAFBeaus.jpg)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2020, 04:20:29 PM
Impressive collection, none of which are in my possession nor have I checked out and read in the library. Might I ask if any of the pilots in those books later fly the Mossie and comment on how they felt about the transition?
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2020, 04:28:59 PM
Impressive collection, none of which are in my possession nor have I checked out and read in the library. Might I ask if any of the pilots in those books later fly the Mossie and comment on how they felt about the transition?

Strains back slapping Arlo with a Beluga whale. OUCH
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2020, 04:34:26 PM
Strains back slapping Arlo with a Beluga whale. OUCH

Leave my Beluga alone. *ouch*
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Shuffler on July 21, 2020, 04:35:09 PM
Leave my Beluga alone. *ouch*

 :rofl
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2020, 05:15:57 PM
While I don't offer this as a definitive and undeniable proof as to the overall merits of the Mossie over the Beau I did happen to run across a debate thread in the Key.Aero forum and found it filled with enjoyable opinions and insights:

https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/133551-mosquito-vis-a-vis-beaufighter (https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/133551-mosquito-vis-a-vis-beaufighter)

Please remember, I've sided with the 'Pro-Beau' camp as the Mossie is very much already an active part of the AH environment.
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Hajo on July 21, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Arlo I do apologize for being gruff about the subject.  Now that you know the differences between the Mossie and the Beau I'm sure you will agree as I said in a previous post comparing the two was like comparing apples to oranges.

Again it is not like me to get "snooty" I do apologize.  That's what happens when you get 70 years of age and become a babysitter for your grandchildren.  One is in College the other three are 13 years of age and younger.  I love to see them when they come, and just as glad when they leave  ;)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2020, 06:52:57 PM
Arlo I do apologize for being gruff about the subject.  Now that you know the differences between the Mossie and the Beau I'm sure you will agree as I said in a previous post comparing the two was like comparing apples to oranges.

Again it is not like me to get "snooty" I do apologize.  That's what happens when you get 70 years of age and become a babysitter for your grandchildren.  One is in College the other three are 13 years of age and younger.  I love to see them when they come, and just as glad when they leave  ;)

Understood. Apologies back. I, personally, don't see more additions coming. I could be wrong and seeing the Beau wouldn't disappoint me (as all other other potentials I mentioned). At the same time, I'm happy with AH the way it is .... except for the loss of activity.

Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Majors on September 26, 2020, 11:01:55 AM
Hi Mate

Don't think anyone is listening.

Cheers

Majors
249RAF (Ret)
Title: Re: Bristol Beaufighter
Post by: Arlo on September 26, 2020, 11:24:59 AM