Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs

[Elfie]

You didn't answer my question.  Hypothetically, your dog does what you think it'd never do, and kills someone for no apparent reason.  Would you still stand behind your original statement?

How much does she weigh?

Any dog that bites, needs to be put down. I had a $3500 Drathaar I owned put down for biting my (then) 3 yr old daughter. He tried to kill her and the Humane Society wanted to let him live.

[Elfie]

Elfie, there doesn't have to be hundreds of deaths.  Ask the parent of a child that was severely bitten but survived if it wasn't a traumatic moment.  Here's the truth:  Dog bites happen, and 75% of the dog bites that are reported belong to Pits and Rotties.

I really would like to know the breakdown because I hate having to keep mentioning Rotties in this conversation.  They're cart pulling dogs and not in the same boat as Pits imo. 

Back up that statistic please.

Rotts were guard dogs in Germany along side German Shepards, Dobermans and Drathaars (Drathaars only during the second) during both world wars. Early Rott's were beasts of burden, that much is true. Today they are frequently used as guard and police dogs. The reason for that is simple, because of their size, power and weight, an aggressive rottweiler can cause a higher level of damage than a smaller, weaker dog. Which also happens to be the same reason why Pitt Bulls cause so much damage when they attack.

Rotts also apparently have ancestry going all the way back to the old Roman war dogs as well.

I am the parent of a child that was severely bitten but survived.

[ink]

Back up that statistic please.

Rotts were guard dogs in Germany along side German Shepards, Dobermans and Drathaars (Drathaars only during the second) during both world wars. Early Rott's were beasts of burden, that much is true. Today they are frequently used as guard and police dogs. The reason for that is simple, because of their size, power and weight, an aggressive rottweiler can cause a higher level of damage than a smaller, weaker dog. Which also happens to be the same reason why Pitt Bulls cause so much damage when they attack.

Rotts also apparently have ancestry going all the way back to the old Roman war dogs as well.

I am the parent of a child that was severely bitten but survived.

major size difference between Rots and pitts.

with all these Statistics flying around, I wish there was a way we could have the weight of each dog put into the stats, I would  bet just about anything, that in 99% IF NOT 100%, of the attacks,  were  done by dogs over 70LBS, 

if the dog is over 60 LBS ITS NOT A PITTBULL don't you people get it. A TRUE "AMERICAN PITTBULL TERRIER" will not attack people unless protecting his pack, or it was badly abused, they DO NOT MAKE GOOD GUARD DOGS, they love people to much, that is a fact even though you want to clump all these types of dogs into one breed it simply is not the case, these dogs,  are not human fighters, but when the modern man got a hold of them and started to breed all types of other breeds into the line they moved away from the traits that "dogmen" breed for IE, love of fighting, love of people, and have lost those quality's that make a true "American pitbull terrier" the greatest dog ever!!!
  I have seen these dogs first hand lived with a individual who breed both APBT and American Staffordshire terriers, the "guard" dogs were all around 90 LBS,"AM-staffs" the "fighting" dogs "APBT" were all around 50 LBS, the females were only 40. if you wanted a "guard" to protect the family, house, Garage, you got the Am-staff, if you wanted a dog "fighter" you got the "APBT" the "APBT" make horrible Guard dogs, why? you ask... THEY FRIGGEN LOVE PEOPLE,

I know you don't care "lets just exterminate them all"

same way you can have my gun, you can kill my dog, over my dead body"

[DREDIOCK]

new study released this week in the journal of Applied Animal Behavior Science involving researchers from the University of Pennsylvania as well as 6,000 dog owners lists the top 3 most aggressive dogs as

1 -The Dachshund.out of the 33 dogs surveyed? The Dachshund. Yes - the wiener dog. The study found that “one in five dachshunds have bitten or tried to bite strangers, and a similar number have attacked other dogs; one in 12 have snapped at their owners.”

2 - Chihuahua  (nasty little animals. really doesnt surprise me)

3 - Jack Russells

"One of the teams researchers, Dr. James Serpell, believes that smaller breeds may be more genetically predisposed to aggressive behavior than their larger counterparts. Serpell says, “Reported levels of aggression in some cases are concerning, with rates of bites or bite attempts rising as high as 20 per cent toward strangers and 30 per cent toward unfamiliar dogs.”

Pit Bulls and Rottweilers scored average or below average in the aggression study. Breeds that scored on the low end are Basset Hounds, Golden Retrievers, Labradors, Siberian Huskies and Greyhounds."
http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/07/the-3-most-aggressive-dog-breeds-revealed-pit-bulls-rottweilers-youll-be-surprised/


Unfortunately I while there are a ton of links that mention the study. I cant find the study itself

In any event. Pits are no more aggressive or likely to attack then any other dog.
The problem is, the damage they do when they do attack.

Its usually not the dog but the owner who is the problem.

I have a couple of friends who have pits. One who has two. I wont go near his home unarmed and I told him that if his dogs arent put away when I am there I WILL kill them. He's a good guy. Just a poor dog owner

The other  has several of them. The biggest threat these dogs have is fleas, or gettign whacked inthe back of the leg with their wagging tail (that watermelon HURTS) And the owner makes sure of that.
She breeds them. so she's had a bunch of them. And the moment one shows the least bit of aggression it gets put down. No second chances.
Because she "knows what they can do" and she's not willing to take that chance And she's not willing to mate her animals without knowing intimately the temperament of the animals she it mating her dogs with.

All that being said. I approach all dogs I dont know with caution

[VonMessa]

new study released this week in the journal of Applied Animal Behavior Science involving researchers from the University of Pennsylvania as well as 6,000 dog owners lists the top 3 most aggressive dogs as

1 -The Dachshund.out of the 33 dogs surveyed? The Dachshund. Yes - the wiener dog. The study found that “one in five dachshunds have bitten or tried to bite strangers, and a similar number have attacked other dogs; one in 12 have snapped at their owners.”

2 - Chihuahua  (nasty little animals. really doesnt surprise me)

3 - Jack Russells

"One of the teams researchers, Dr. James Serpell, believes that smaller breeds may be more genetically predisposed to aggressive behavior than their larger counterparts. Serpell says, “Reported levels of aggression in some cases are concerning, with rates of bites or bite attempts rising as high as 20 per cent toward strangers and 30 per cent toward unfamiliar dogs.”

Pit Bulls and Rottweilers scored average or below average in the aggression study. Breeds that scored on the low end are Basset Hounds, Golden Retrievers, Labradors, Siberian Huskies and Greyhounds."
http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/07/the-3-most-aggressive-dog-breeds-revealed-pit-bulls-rottweilers-youll-be-surprised/


Unfortunately I while there are a ton of links that mention the study. I cant find the study itself

In any event. Pits are no more aggressive or likely to attack then any other dog.
The problem is, the damage they do when they do attack.

Its usually not the dog but the owner who is the problem.

I have a couple of friends who have pits. One who has two. I wont go near his home unarmed and I told him that if his dogs arent put away when I am there I WILL kill them. He's a good guy. Just a poor dog owner

The other  has several of them. The biggest threat these dogs have is fleas, or gettign whacked inthe back of the leg with their wagging tail (that watermelon HURTS) And the owner makes sure of that.
She breeds them. so she's had a bunch of them. And the moment one shows the least bit of aggression it gets put down. No second chances.
Because she "knows what they can do" and she's not willing to take that chance And she's not willing to mate her animals without knowing intimately the temperament of the animals she it mating her dogs with.

All that being said. I approach all dogs I dont know with caution

Pretty good advice   

[sluggish]

I suppose it's possible to have to visit the ER after a weiner dog attack...

A friend that had a lab/dachshund mix named Howard.  That was the goofyest looking dog I have ever seen. He had lab head tail and body, but weiner dog legs.  He literally looked like someone had sawed his legs off.  I get a chuckle even now just thinking about it.

[Elfie]

major size difference between Rots and pitts.

with all these Statistics flying around, I wish there was a way we could have the weight of each dog put into the stats, I would  bet just about anything, that in 99% IF NOT 100%, of the attacks,  were  done by dogs over 70LBS, 

if the dog is over 60 LBS ITS NOT A PITTBULL don't you people get it. A TRUE "AMERICAN PITTBULL TERRIER" will not attack people unless protecting his pack, or it was badly abused, they DO NOT MAKE GOOD GUARD DOGS, they love people to much, that is a fact even though you want to clump all these types of dogs into one breed it simply is not the case, these dogs,  are not human fighters, but when the modern man got a hold of them and started to breed all types of other breeds into the line they moved away from the traits that "dogmen" breed for IE, love of fighting, love of people, and have lost those quality's that make a true "American pitbull terrier" the greatest dog ever!!!
  I have seen these dogs first hand lived with a individual who breed both APBT and American Staffordshire terriers, the "guard" dogs were all around 90 LBS,"AM-staffs" the "fighting" dogs "APBT" were all around 50 LBS, the females were only 40. if you wanted a "guard" to protect the family, house, Garage, you got the Am-staff, if you wanted a dog "fighter" you got the "APBT" the "APBT" make horrible Guard dogs, why? you ask... THEY FRIGGEN LOVE PEOPLE,

I know you don't care "lets just exterminate them all"

same way you can have my gun, you can kill my dog, over my dead body"

Two fine examples of pit bulls. Both animals are heavily muscled (one more so than the other), powerful animals. Yes, they are smaller than Rottweilers but they are not a small dog. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that either animal pictured here could do grievous bodily harm if they became violent.

Out of the millions and millions of dogs kept as pets in this country only a small percentage of them actually bite humans.

[VonMessa]

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Two fine examples of pit bulls. Both animals are heavily muscled (one more so than the other), powerful animals. Yes, they are smaller than Rottweilers but they are not a small dog. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that either animal pictured here could do grievous bodily harm if they became violent.

Out of the millions and millions of dogs kept as pets in this country only a small percentage of them actually bite humans.

First instinct as a lifetime dog owner, and trainer of many others............?

Dog #1 MAY be approachable

Dog #2 ............?

The chain serves a purpose, stay further than chain reaches   

Just a quick decision   

[Elfie]

First instinct as a lifetime dog owner, and trainer of many others............?

Dog #1 MAY be approachable

Dog #2 ............?

The chain serves a purpose, stay further than chain reaches   

Just a quick decision   

I won't approach any dog on a chain. They are 2.8 times more likely to bite than an unchained dog.

[VonMessa]

Would you consider that a "Common sense"  evaluation, garnered from experience, or just plain instinct?     

Usually things are chained for a reason.

1) To keep them from being removed as in a bicycle, etc

or

2)  To keep them from going anywhere else further than the reach of the chain 

[humble]

 

I'd just pull my carry and shoot a garbage dog like that. Then sue the begeesus out of the idiot that brought him to the neighborhood.

[humble]

We own a pitbull mix thats a rescue dog (we are a "foster family" for local agency). We got him as a pup and he's a great dog, I grew up around dogs and have some experience with them. Like any other alpha type dog he (Moe) had to be trained correctly but he's an amazing and loving dog...and very protective. He's really my daughters dog...


Once she was playing around and a friend of hers went to hit her (goofing around) and Moe leapt over our dry bar and grabbed the kids arm (without breaking the skin) mid strike and just sat there holding him till Haley told him to release. He (moe) knows he's not allowed to break skin ever (Be it dog, horse, person, rodent etc). While you can have a bad dog (or horse) 96% of the time its the trainer not the "trainee" thats the problem...

[smkelly13]

Any dog that bites, needs to be put down. I had a $3500 Drathaar I owned put down for biting my (then) 3 yr old daughter. He tried to kill her and the Humane Society wanted to let him live.

Even when the dog is defending its owner from a legitimate threat?

How bad did she get bitten?

[Elfie]

Would you consider that a "Common sense"  evaluation, garnered from experience, or just plain instinct?     

Usually things are chained for a reason.

1) To keep them from being removed as in a bicycle, etc

or

2)  To keep them from going anywhere else further than the reach of the chain 

A chained dog likely doesn't get the human contact that it should. Dogs don't just desire socialization, they require it, they are pack animals not individualists. Dogs are generally chained to keep them from running free.

[Elfie]

Even when the dog is defending its owner from a legitimate threat?

How bad did she get bitten?

Dogs defending their owners from legitimate threats are likely to be rare exceptions when it comes to the overall numbers of dog bites in the US.

He had ahold of her head and was violently shaking her. Shaking is just one way that dogs attempt to kill.