Do 335 Pfeil

[Cthulhu]

Unlike many other planes people are asking for, say the beaufighter as one, this plane would be used. Even though this plane wasn't produced

in large numbers (it is arguable in how many there where and there was a semi squadron who had these planes) it was a great plane a

answer to the p-51 d and from all accounts it would have at least been an equal to it if not better i applaud all the people lobbying for the

hanger queens but this plane has a use.

As much as I like quirkly Luftwaffe aircraft (and the 335 is definitely a weird bird), to say that the Pfiel is the answer to the P-51 is just plain silly.

[Guppy35]

Unlike many other planes people are asking for, say the beaufighter as one, this plane would be used. Even though this plane wasn't produced

in large numbers (it is arguable in how many there where and there was a semi squadron who had these planes) it was a great plane a

answer to the p-51 d and from all accounts it would have at least been an equal to it if not better i applaud all the people lobbying for the

hanger queens but this plane has a use.

What you speak to is probably the biggest downfall of AH.  99% of the people are only interesting in flying the latest and greatest, and have little interest in the history.

If the logic for adding planes is MA use percentage then we might as well only add late war SWOTL birds so that everyone can think they are uber pilots.

It speaks to folks not wanting a challenge, but to have every advantage they can get.  The bird in question did not see combat, saw no useful purpose in the war other then to take up development resources.

A hanger queen is only that because folks are afraid to take the challenge of flying them and succeeding. 

[Bosco123]

I would love to see this in the game more than anyone here. I built one, a big one, that's why I would love it in the game. But knowing that this is only a dead argument, it will not get anywere in the thread.
I know for a fact it would be the answer to the Pony, it was the fastest fighter/attack in the war. Pilots who flew it said it flew with great ease, and no trouble at all. They had problems keeping the back engine running, due to no engine cooling. It probably could have done great damage in the war, if they produced it, but Hitler was only interested in jets, so it got no were. The first designs were acually made in 1939, very early in the war. It never got completed until the end of the war, and when they started to produce it, the factories that made it were bombed by allies.
It's just too bad that we can't have it. You would have to put a perk nearly as large as the 262. I would certainly be spending my perkies on it.

This is just a dead argument.

[OOZ662]

I know that parts true because it sounds logical, would you like to get hit by the prop in the back? I know I wouldn't.

If IL-2 has anything right (and you figure they would in this respect), when the ejection seat was triggered, the rear prop was automatically jettisoned.

[AWwrgwy]

If IL-2 has anything right (and you figure they would in this respect), when the ejection seat was triggered, the rear prop was automatically jettisoned.

From Wings of the Luftwaffe by Capt. Eric Brown

On the starboard side of the cockpit was a row of three buttons  If the first button was depressed a charge was exploded which, in theory, blew off the rear airscrew, the second button activating another charge blew off the vertical tail surfaces, while the third button armed the ejector seat.  The hood then had to be jettisoned manually and, finally, the seat was fired by squeezing a trigger on the arm rest.

Also:

Particularly fascinating was the story that when the two prototypes came to grief the bodies of their pilots were found to be devoid of arms.  The story, recounted to me by a German pilot, alleged that the loss of the upper limbs had resulted when the unfortunate victims had gripped two inclined levers at sill level and pulled them aft to activate the hood jettison system.  This action released the hood effectively, but since the levers were attached to the hood, a firm grip meant, so the story went, that the hands and arms were wrenched off with the rapidly departing canopy.

wrongway

[Cthulhu]

I know for a fact it would be the answer to the Pony, it was the fastest fighter/attack in the war.

You know this for a fact? We don't see 262's sweeping the skies of ponies, and their speed advantage over the Pony is clearly higher than that of the 335. Speed isn't everything. Granted the 335 appears to have fairly low wing loading, but a lot of rotational inertia goes with all that mass. I wouldn't expect this beast to dart around like a Yak.

[Bosco123]

You know this for a fact? We don't see 262's sweeping the skies of ponies, and their speed advantage over the Pony is clearly higher than that of the 335. Speed isn't everything. Granted the 335 appears to have fairly low wing loading, but a lot of rotational inertia goes with all that mass. I wouldn't expect this beast to dart around like a Yak.

I can porbably tell you for a fact, that if it can beat a Tempest any day in a turn fight, then I'm almost positive that it can out turn a pony.

You answerd your own question BTW. The Do had a fairly low wing loading, and the pony had a high wing loading. Thus, a pony probably would not turn inside a Do.

[Cthulhu]

I can porbably tell you for a fact, that if it can beat a Tempest any day in a turn fight, then I'm almost positive that it can out turn a pony.

You answerd your own question BTW. The Do had a fairly low wing loading, and the pony had a high wing loading. Thus, a pony probably would not turn inside a Do.

If you read that, then you should have picked up on my comment concerning the high inertia. Agility would not be the 335's strong suit. Also IIRC, the sole encounter between the 335 and a Tempest did not involve any maneuvering per se. The 335 simply outran the Frenchman in the Tempest.

[moot]

Cthulhu have you ever looked into the hints that Clostermann either made up the encounter, or mistook something else for a Pfeil?

[Cthulhu]

Cthulhu have you ever looked into the hints that Clostermann either made up the encounter, or mistook something else for a Pfeil?

I've seen several sources in the past that hint at that, but I've never dug further into it. Wasn't the 335 being escorted by an orange-red Ta 152?? 

[moot]

Hehe... Actually I was so lucky as to get a couple of answers directly from J.Crandall about that one

[Cthulhu]

Hehe... Actually I was so lucky as to get a couple of answers directly from J.Crandall about that one

It really existed didn't it?

[moot]

It did and he gave me a pretty exact RLM color value for it, but the log for that day said there was no enemy contact.  So it fails that inclusion criteria.

[Bosco123]

Let me put this in simple terms. How can a plane with higher wing loading, and a lower climb rate, out turn a plane with lower wing loading, and higher climb rate? You know what your saying right? That's like tring to tell somone a Yak can out turn a spit.

[Bronk]

Let me put this in simple terms. How can a plane with higher wing loading, and a lower climb rate, out turn a plane with lower wing loading, and higher climb rate? You know what your saying right? That's like tring to tell somone a Yak can out turn a spit.

F4U......