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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2009, 09:24:46 AM »
I think there was a system backup utility and some other items that are nice to have.  The "ultimate extras" are a joke yes, but the premium version leaves out some stuff that the business version has, that I personally would like to have if I was switching to Vista.

If you need your computer for work then yes, otherwise home premium is enough for a home user. The price difference is better used in getting Acronis trueimage or similar product that really works.
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2009, 09:36:50 AM »
New baby! Congrats!

Sound card robs cycles the cpu uses. You will possibly get freezes during game play. Just get one with a head set attachment. Just my thoughts.

sound card or onboard sound robs cpu cycles?
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2009, 09:43:34 AM »
Onboard sound devices require far more CPU cycles and when they do anything at all, related to sound, the CPU has to stop and wait as they are all on the same bus.  To alleviate the lack or parallelism, many sound chip vendors simply have the CPU do everything and the sound chip is nothing more than a multiplexor with preamps for the connection.

Add in cards use far fewer CPU cycles, and they can process sounds in parallel with the CPU due to most of the work being done directly on the sound card.  They will normally be able to play a higher number of sounds simultaneously as well.
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2009, 01:04:32 AM »
Zazen's Build Revision v3.01

I never really thought about sound much as I have to keep quiet for the wife and kid. But, the idea of not having a sound card miffed me. Also, i nthe latest build I get convinced back to non-modular PS.


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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2009, 01:53:45 AM »
One last comment.  I see your picking up a 1 Tb HD.  Personally, I'd get dual drives; one at about 160-250 Gb for OS and applications and another larger drive for storage, back-ups, etc.

I realize you can partition the single drive but then everything has to spin up on, and be accessed by the single set of heads on that drive.  Beyond that, if you have a drive failure you could lose everything with a single drive.  With dual drives you'd likely only lose either the OS and apps or (heaven forbid) your data but the former would be more likely as you'd be accessing the OS/App drive on every boot and the storage drive only occasionally in comparison.

Most likely you won't experience a failure and this is all moot but better safe than sorry.

I've got a 250 Gb boot/app drive (SATA) and moved two old IDE drives into storage (200 Gb) and back-up (160 Gb) duty.  If your not keeping your old machine intact then swap the old drives over.  I did keep my old machine intact and in use but I also had three more HD's just lying around (I picked up a HD enclosure for the last one and now use it as a portable plug and play USB external drive for my 3 machines... very nice... don't even have to reboot; just plug it in and use it).
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2009, 09:39:09 AM »
One last comment.  I see your picking up a 1 Tb HD.  Personally, I'd get dual drives; one at about 160-250 Gb for OS and applications and another larger drive for storage, back-ups, etc.

I realize you can partition the single drive but then everything has to spin up on, and be accessed by the single set of heads on that drive.  Beyond that, if you have a drive failure you could lose everything with a single drive.  With dual drives you'd likely only lose either the OS and apps or (heaven forbid) your data but the former would be more likely as you'd be accessing the OS/App drive on every boot and the storage drive only occasionally in comparison.

Most likely you won't experience a failure and this is all moot but better safe than sorry.

I've got a 250 Gb boot/app drive (SATA) and moved two old IDE drives into storage (200 Gb) and back-up (160 Gb) duty.  If your not keeping your old machine intact then swap the old drives over.  I did keep my old machine intact and in use but I also had three more HD's just lying around (I picked up a HD enclosure for the last one and now use it as a portable plug and play USB external drive for my 3 machines... very nice... don't even have to reboot; just plug it in and use it).

Better option is to partition the 1TB drive since it's much faster than the small 200Gb one. The only way to protect data is to make backups on a separate media.
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2009, 09:52:15 AM »
A soundblaster audigy2 ZS will be a plenty fine soundcard and will probably cost less.

Still recommend a retail blu-ray optical drive.
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2009, 12:49:46 PM »
Zazen, you plan on powering lower Manhattan with that PS?  That may be overkill. Just my thoughts.

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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2009, 01:48:10 PM »
Zazen, you plan on powering lower Manhattan with that PS?  That may be overkill. Just my thoughts.

Not really with all that RAM, video card, drives, usb peripheral devices, etc. especially if he's considering SLI in the future.  If there's no thought of SLI then 750-1000 would probably do.
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2009, 03:07:57 PM »
"As far as the ram goes, compared to the cost of everything else another 200 bucks to max out the ram is not a big deal. I remember when ram was $1,000 for a 256mb stick...The 12 Gigs of Corsair was only $375.00 total."

My point is: Has anybody here over 4Gb of RAM in his PC and been able to utilize over 4Gb? If you have, with what? Professional audio programs, CAD designing, 3D modelling?

IMO its simply a waste of money to put over 4Gb RAM since probably only professional programs can really use it.

I don't know why since even with 8Gb Windows seems to run the disks quite a bit so despite of ample memory available Windows seems to use only the minimum amount a program needs and keeps the rest in reserve incase some other program would need memory at the same time. It rarely does though if you are playing etc. The same reason why you really don't need four cores in CPU but two is very much enough for anything you might want to do in normal home use.

Also somethin else to consider: you can only utilize Dual Channel-mode with certain memory configurations so I'd advice to select only such RAM configurations that do not disable Dual Channeling. Dual Channeling is usually available only in symmetric memory bank configurations, i.e. two or four more or less identical modules installed in certain memory slots. That is because if you cannot run in Dual Channeling mode your memory bandwidth is practically halved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-channel_architecture

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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2009, 03:51:04 PM »
Charge, the Core i7 CPU's use triple channel memory accesses.  To do so requires a matched set of 3 sticks of RAM.
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2009, 07:50:55 PM »
Charge, the Core i7 CPU's use triple channel memory accesses.  To do so requires a matched set of 3 sticks of RAM.
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The flavors available are 3 x 1 GB  3 x 2GB.  Some folks like to put in 12GB 2 sets of 6 but the system will NOT run at the rated specs of the memory no matter what you do.  As of this moment they do not make Triple Channel sets in 12GB for purchase by consumers.  You can get Dual channel in 2,4, 8 and 12GB matched sets.

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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2009, 08:51:58 AM »
Ok, I have a follow-up question. I've been really putting some thought, energy and homework into my build. In the reading I've done specifically relating to CPUs and Video cards there seems to be an opinion that chips/processors privileged by the manufacturer were "cherry picked" from the best wafer and best QC test results to be pre-overclocked in "elite" fashion. So, while the end-user can probably overclock the basic version to a similar level, the pre-overclocked versions are actually internally superior and more robust even though their documented specifications are the same in the product description....Is this true or just computer geek lore?
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Re: My New Build For Aces High- Feedback Desired
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM »
Ok, I have a follow-up question. I've been really putting some thought, energy and homework into my build. In the reading I've done specifically relating to CPUs and Video cards there seems to be an opinion that chips/processors privileged by the manufacturer were "cherry picked" from the best wafer and best QC test results to be pre-overclocked in "elite" fashion. So, while the end-user can probably overclock the basic version to a similar level, the pre-overclocked versions are actually internally superior and more robust even though their documented specifications are the same in the product description....Is this true or just computer geek lore?

Fact the chips are called Engineering samples

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« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2009, 06:16:01 PM »
Ok, after much reading, deliberating and backroom discussion with Tildeath, I think I have decided on this stuff for my build. Double check me to make sure everything looks ok. The theme for me was, high-end w/ biggest bang for the buck with room and framework for future improvement as newer stuff comes out and makes the current top tier stuff cheaper. I purchased the monitor locally ( 24 inch Samsung), so that If I get dead pixels or whatever I can just bring it back to exchange it. The cheesy DD2 memory is for my wife's Dell Dimension 4700.

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« Last Edit: March 22, 2009, 06:18:57 PM by Zazen13 »
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