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Offline TequilaChaser

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3 very important lessons on PC security software
« on: March 18, 2009, 12:35:12 AM »
I just movd to NC, and mom has this new Business version of NOD32...seemed like it was better than my regular NOD32....so when I went to install it, it says remove all other anti virus or shutdown firewalls or what have you.or turn them off ( meaning antivirus )

so I says mmmmkay...... I uninstall my version of NOD32 and shutdown ZApro...........stupid me

I went to go make a store run for some smokes.and when I came back, it completely slipped my mind of what I had been doing.......

and I began to go browsing..... I picked up 39 intrusions....and had some ind of BOT completely take over my PC to the effect that after 2 reboots it had me locked out completely because I did not know the password  to log into windows, the password feature that I had never ever turned on in my WinXP Pro life......

Lesson#1: unplug internet when switching internet security software until prompted for it......

Lesson#2: never leave a job have finished

Lesson#3: read up on what these new BOT's are that are people taking over your bandwith & control of your entire PC.....

the good news........I was able to pull the hard drive / restore my BIOS use and old RAID HD ( SATA hotswappable ) fom my old pc, boot up the new PC and run NOD32 on the new drive ( which picked up immediately like it was an extra storage drive/data drive ) run 4 scan & Cleans.....then double checked it with trendmicro housecall & spybot 1.62 to verify that it was completely clean.......oh btw.this is roughly 18 to 19 straight hours of hell I went through that I am typing this.......

YMMV....mine was a long hard road of live & learn......
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 06:04:11 AM »
Or take some time to properly configure the default security levels of the OS.  I find this to be the least frustrating way of dealing with all this mess.
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2009, 08:37:31 AM »
9 out of every 10 people that come with infections have NOD.. i dont find it very effective
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2009, 10:38:50 AM »
I'd say replacing NOD with Norton is more appropriate.
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2009, 10:42:54 AM »
Quote from: Denholm on March 18, 2009, 10:38:50 AM
I'd say replacing NOD with Norton is more appropriate.

only problem i have with norton (mcafee too)  is it slows most computers down IMHO.
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2009, 10:54:14 AM »
Just put your pc behind NAT and you will never run into this again.
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 11:02:00 AM »
Quote from: TheZohan on March 18, 2009, 08:37:31 AM
9 out of every 10 people that come with infections have NOD.. i dont find it very effective

I don't think many folks on this BBS are shocked by your claim.   
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 11:05:13 AM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on March 18, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
I don't think many folks on this BBS are shocked by your claim.   

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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 11:07:53 AM »
Quote from: Fulmar on March 18, 2009, 11:05:13 AM
SHOCKED

You should only be shocked if you believe ANYTHING "TheZohan" types. He's number one on my ignore list..... if we ever get it back  :D
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 11:08:27 AM »
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2009, 11:14:52 AM »
the fugitive is a really great guy
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 01:12:57 PM »
Quote from: MrRiplEy[H] on March 18, 2009, 10:54:14 AM
Just put your pc behind NAT and you will never run into this again.

agreed, is not my router....since I let my daughters  back in Florida keep it..and I carelessly just added a patch cable off of Mom's router and instantly logged on and started surfing those webwaves......

but thanks for the reminder to go check out Mom's router capabilitys & settings......

Quote from: Skuzzy on March 18, 2009, 06:04:11 AM
Or take some time to properly configure the default security levels of the OS.  I find this to be the least frustrating way of dealing with all this mess.
Skuzzy, if and when you get a chance....would you mind PMing me your idea of  Proper OS security levels.......I know you a overloaded workaholic and understand this request is probally numbered 2,012 if not higher  :D

I thought you posted once, Skuzzy, that you did not care much for MS WinXP firewall? when you mention proper security, you are talking about IE, I am assuming?

being overly cuatious.....I am fixing to format & install my NEW spare SATA II 320 gig HD........ then once I get all important files off of that other HD, I will completely swipe it clean with paragon ( using the government swiping/cleaning utility ) and reformat it for later use......

am kind of glad I did not set this new PC up with RAID, for it would have infected both HD's........

I have never had any problems with NOD32 or ZoneAlarm/ZonealarmPro.........  I hate mcaffee  and Nortons......

Bighorn suggested OutPost once... I tried it kind of liked it....but switched back to NOD........

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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 01:38:03 PM »
In the Control Panel, open the "Internet Options" ICON.  Select the "Security" tab.  By default, in all Windows versions prior to Vista, Microsoft had the defaults configured to be the same for every zone and those defaults allowed anything and everything into your computer.

Just set the 4 zones to the appropriate levels you feel comfortable with.  No one here would run thier computers as tight as I set mine up, so fiddle with the settings until you are happy.  The key areas of concern lie with ActiveX and scripting options.

ActiveX is the primary delivery system for most malware and spyware.  Some viruses also use it.
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 01:45:33 PM »
Quote from: TheZohan on March 18, 2009, 08:37:31 AM
9 out of every 10 people that come with infections have NOD.. i dont find it very effective
Well I would like to see where you are getting your stats from.  While no anti-virus in the price ranges most of the forum users are totally secure, the one anti virus program out there that can claim never have missed an "In The Wild Virus" is NOD32. "In-the-Wild" viruses are real viruses that have been reported to the Wildlist Organization by at least two independent reporters.  Symantec has missed a total of 31, Kaspersky missed 50, BitDefender 114, McAfee 135, TrendMicro 138 etc etc.  No other product for home use has a 0 In the Wild Virus.  I have been using it both on home and commercial systems for several years and none of my clients nor myself have ever got a virus.

Independent rating companies consistently rate NOD32 highest.  You claim to be in the business, I am sure you know where to look for information (no advertising allowed)  facts on rating sites
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Re: 3 very important lessons on PC security software
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2009, 01:54:41 PM »
So TilDeath if those anti-virus' programs listed missed that many, how well does AVG rate?  Been using that with Spybot S&D for a while, would hate to think  I have missed a virus somewhere.
Figure while people are on the subject of anti-virus I should pop in. :)
I use AVG, Spybot S&D and Windows firewall, yes I know Satan, but I have yet to see anything get on my computer.  Plus the last Firewall I had was very annoying (ZoneAlarm).
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