Allies did not use a crediable force

[Newman]

It's always easier to defend than attack.

Allies had 8 targets to attack, 2 to defend.
Axis had 2 to attack, 8 to defend.

In hind site, I should have put more of our groups in escort, but we all learn, and move on.

There were more Axis pilots in than Allies, and Allies had a lot of Buffs in the air.

That's not a good mix for the Allies. The Axis plan worked well against us.



TY Allies for attempting to to execute the plan.

Agent360, learn how to spell, and welcome to what may happen in any FSO.

 

Newman

[Marshal]

The 367th was also tasked with escorting the 83-92 strike.  Our formation of P-40s was attacked on the way to the rally point by 6-8 +Precision 109s. All attempts to break contact and make the rendezvous were unsuccessful. By the time we dispatched these 109s we were already too low and slow to catch the bombers. We also had two or three more 109s harassing the formation and preventing us from regaining our altitude. At this point most of the squad was flying bent birds and extremely low on ammo. But we decided to turn nose on 93 and attempt to arrive before the formation and tie up some of the CAP. I don't believe we made it to within 40miles of 93 before we encountered the Unforgiven, were overwhelmed and killed. Sorry we couldn't provide some entertainment, we were too busy getting out arses kicked.

  Jappa
The one thing you did accomplish is take the escorts away from our JU-88's. When we got close to your boats we were annihilated before being able to drop one bomb. Our Gunners did take some with us, but a failed mission non the less.

[Twizzty]

<S> Allies

We had a slow start to our night also. We were tasked to defend C112 with 2 other groups. After 55 minuets of waiting the buffs finally trickled in, with only 2 targets we expected a horde but were supprised it was only a few buffs and even fewer escorts. After rearming at 84 we went and harassed 51 and 85 until low on fuel and ammo. Ended the night with 22 confirmed kills and only 2 losses for the group, a good night.

These are the things we have come to expect. Some nights you have non stop action, some nights are half and half, some nights are nothing at all. We like the fact that you never know what to expect, brings another element into it.

<S>

[Jenks]

To the comments above....... so go the fortunes of war.

[Agent360]

It's always easier to defend than attack.

Allies had 8 targets to attack, 2 to defend.
Axis had 2 to attack, 8 to defend.

In hind site, I should have put more of our groups in escort, but we all learn, and move on.

There were more Axis pilots in than Allies, and Allies had a lot of Buffs in the air.

That's not a good mix for the Allies. The Axis plan worked well against us.



TY Allies for attempting to to execute the plan.

Agent360, learn how to spell, and welcome to what may happen in any FSO.

 

Newman

First off to hell with your spelling comment. ..|.. And second I have been playing FSO for years so don't patronise me.

"Defending is easier than attacking"....so what the hell does that have to do with anything. That is nothing but superfluous rhetoric

The axis had more pilots than allies....so what. Sounds like you are making excuses.

The fact remains the allies DID NOT make a creditable attack. Even if all there buffs were shot down they still didn't attack V93 or A82. And what about the single plane flashing the bases on purpose????????

No figher sweep. No attack on mandatory targets. Nothing!!! There was absolutely NO attempt by any allied planes enter those sectors.

Are you telling me that every single fighter and buff the allies had was shot down and that is why they didn't attack their targets? And even if that is what happened then the penalty should still apply. It doesn't say anything in the rules about "if all your planes are shot down" then you don't get the penalty. In fact I know its not true because 2 muppets re armed and went back out and got jumped by large numbers of p40's....why didnt those p40's at least make an attempt to fighter sweep the targets I mentioned?????

Further, these two bases were two of the three forward targets. So out of all your planes you could only manage to hit one stinking target out of a total of 5!!!...omg you have got to be kidding.

That is why the rules are the way they are. If the planning is such that you fly a very risky plan and your forces are decimated that is your fault and you get any penalties due.

Not to mention the "Spirit of the event"...which seems to have been forgotton.

There is no shortage of "back slapping....good job salute" but any time someown speaks up about the "dirty laundry" they always seem to be labled a whiner..tool or whatever.

Hey if I got it all wrong then point out the evidence. If I am right then own up to it.

[moot]

I don't think the penalty would apply if indeed the allies simply never made it to target.  Whether that's what happened is something else. I wasn't there so I can't comment.  The defensive line was solid for the whole time I was there. At least two layers of fighters going back and forth at ~20k, uncontested.

 I shot down the airplane (single spitfire in pink camo, seemingly afk at 25k on a slightly north-of-west heading) that made a couple of bases (94 and probably 92, 89, 90 before it) flash, and then found a single B26 formation missing one drone and leaking oil (if not engine dead) on one of the two remaining planes trying to bomb A82 from relatively low altitude (was something like 15k or les.  As far as I saw during the scenario (ripped a wing off on my own, somehow, then logged), that's all that got to mandatory targets A82/A93.

[mechanic]

See Rule #4

[Agent360]

Hummmmmm   81 allied planes landed.

The Axis had 255 pilots while the Allies had 242. That is only a difference of 13 pilots. Not enough to make any difference. And what about those 81 planes that landed.?

The Allies landed 33% percent of thier forces land but still could not attack thier targets.  

Allies stats:
Pilots: 242 Kills: 169 Assists: 154
Objects Destroyed: 50 Deaths: 105 Landed: 81
Bailed: 20 Captured: 42 Crashed: 15
Ditched: 9 Disco'd: 10


Axis stats:
Pilots: 255 Kills: 214 Assists: 164
Objects Destroyed: 12 Deaths: 89 Landed: 103
Bailed: 40 Captured: 22 Crashed: 14
Ditched: 8 Disco'd: 10

[moot]

See Rule #6

[Agent360]

See Rule #4

[mechanic]

my god i can't stop basking in the glow of you outraged muppets

The stats themself show the axis made alot of kills. You're just crying that your plans failed.
Please dont tell me you're giving up on the oink thing and now trying to make people conform in FSO?

Seriously, im not stirring the pot, I cannot see what this is apart from another avenue for you to vent your displeasure at 'what the game has become'

alarmed,
bat

 

[moot]

My god I can't stop basking in the radioactive glow of your inane stupidity.   

See what I did there?



Agent might be pissed off, and totally wrong (I think both, personally), but that's got nothing to do with our squad or 'what the game has become' or whatever fantasy your hormone imbalance made you dream up this time.

[mechanic]

Now now moot, trying to get personal wont do your intelligence any justice. Frankly, i thought better of you. Hormone imbalance or too much reefer, i dont mind what you want to think of me.

For the case in hand:

The muppets flew around an entire hour with no contact.

[snip]

It seems lately we are having more and more "gaming the game" instead of "playing the game".

I wont even bother with the rest of Agent's this speaks volumes enough

after over an hour of -nothing-  most of AOM landed and went to the mains in disgust,  Tec and myself decided to rearm and headed towards NME territory when we reached there airfield at around 20 k, we were soundly pounced upon by an uncountable number of spits mostly with a major alt advantage

talk about - mine...mine...mine...mine...m ine

So, after an hour you all bailed out just before the real action started.

Read what newman said again after calming down.

Hate me as much as you like.

[moot]

Ink is even more wrong than Agent seems to be.  No single muppet speaks for the whole squad. I don't hate you, I just think you're full of poop.

[Agent360]

Bat,

I have clearly made my point. If you don't like my point that is fine.

And now you are trying to turn this thread into another "bash the muppets" thread.

CM - please lock this thread as now we have a total idiot hijacking it and turning it into a purse fight which  IS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.