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Offline Cajunn

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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2009, 12:26:11 AM »
One stat that isn't there is how many years they flew to achieve those numbers
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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2009, 02:20:30 AM »
You have to also bear in mind that axis pilots fought throughout the war, or until they were killed. 

It was normal allied practice to pull pilots out of the front line after a certain number of tours.  A good allied pilot was put to better use training new pilots.
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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2009, 02:36:21 AM »
An axis pilot taking off was almost guaranteed to find a fight. Many allied pilots, especially later in the war, flew an entire tour and got a glimpse at a Messerschmidt maybe once or twice. I remember some attempt to normalize Robert Johnson's score by his number of sorties and number of times he actually engaged the LW.

Experience goes a long long way in a war. The LW pilots that were talented enough or just lucky enough to survive, racked up more experience than the most experienced allied pilot. Even a naturally mediocre pilots with lots of experience can become really good and club the talented newbies in their spitfires, P51 and yaks - as we all know so well from AH.
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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2009, 03:48:34 AM »
Major Heinz Schnaufer had 121 victories in the ME-110 all at night in the west.  Sure, they were all bombers but in one night he shot down 9 Lancs!  Imagine trying to find bombers at night by looking for red hot exhaust.  He also perfected a way to shoot them down where the crew had a good chance to bail out. 

he had a cool nick name the brits gave him too...the ghost of somethin or other...anyone know?

as for the 109 pilots could you imagine when Hartman and Krupinski were wingin oooh what a world of pain!
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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2009, 04:22:58 AM »
The aces were just that.

Axis.  Allied.  Each flew under different conditions and should be compared to those that faced the same odds.  All were courageous, even the ones that flew with fear.

#'s are just that. 

The only stat in a war that really matters is 0.  That is, who didn't sign a surrender.

Axis - 2, Allies 0

Advantage Allies.




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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2009, 04:27:42 AM »
TOP  western allies Ace, South African Sqn Ldr Marmaduke T. St. Pattle DFC & Bar  with 51 Victories. killed 20 April 1941 over Eleusis Bay in Athens area, leading a force of 15 Hurricane MkI defending the Greek capital from a massive air raid of almost 200 Ju-88, Do 17, Bf-110 and Bf-109

Offline Cajunn

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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2009, 04:48:07 AM »
we always talk about the WW2 aces, IMO the WW1 aces were the true fighter aces!!!!!!!
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Re: Look at these stats !!!
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2009, 08:21:56 AM »
we always talk about the WW2 aces, IMO the WW1 aces were the true fighter aces!!!!!!!

Yeah, especially before they had guns.  Can't throw a brick at somebody from their 6, gotta maneuver above them to drop that paver.