Myth: SpitXVI is "slow"

[Cajunn]

The DA pond is a completely different combat environment than the MA. Different player base, different tactics, different strategies. No war to be won. No goon hunt. No intercepting NOE's or cutting through the escorts to get the Buffs that are about to flatten your base or sink your CV. No score on the main page. Or, as you like to say: Apples & Oranges. ,)
You can't transfer what's happenign there 1:1 to the MA, just like you can't take LWMA gameplay experience as a yardstick to measure / perk /setup  the AvA arena.

And when BnZ is saying:


he wrong. The Tempest does cover flaws on piloting MUCH more than a Spit XVI could ever do. Insane acceleration and top speed means he can simply get away where the 16 pilot is forced to fight his way out. And on top of that, maybe the best armament the game has to offer...
Actually "ood for little besides a pick-n-run racer with somewhat difficult handling and mediocre maneuverability" I would have accepted for the Typhoon maybe , but never for the Tempest.

  Spit's or kill or be killed, no running away in a spitfire you stay and fight like it or not. And every spitfire pile_it knows that when there taking off and heading to a fight.

[Noir]

the spit16 still makes most of the planeset obsolete as it got no weak point.

Now when you get a plane rolling there's always that question coming back : "what will I do if a 16 gets on my six ?" The answer is simple, if under 250mph you are so DEAD. I can't blame the pony pilots that wait to be outside icon range to get some altitude back.

[Krusty]

BnZs,

Krusty is well known for his loathing of British aircraft.  Nothing he says is honest about them and he always has an ulterior motive in regards to them.

My what (another) bald-faced lie from Karnak..

Don't you ever get tired of spewing your falsehoods, Karnak?

[moot]

Krusty, Karnak doesn't have a reputation for repeatedly going half-cocked with falsehoods. But you do.

[BnZs]

So the roll rate is what this is about.  The 190 drivers aren't happy one of their advantages isn't as pronouced vs a Spit 16.  All the rest of the talk is just smoke.  Same performance as the 8 except roll rate and the mph difference from clipped wings.

Well there goes my Spit XII right out the window

Gup, I thought better of you than this....bilge you just poured on the screen. It has nothing to do 190s. The point of bringing up roll-rate is that it is a disadvantage the VIII has relative the XVI. Indeed, the VIII has a severe disadvantage in high speed roll rate against quite abit. That gives it a real, substantive weakness to go with its many strengths. Which is not too much to ask IMO.

[BnZs]

  Spit's or kill or be killed, no running away in a spitfire you stay and fight like it or not. And every spitfire pile_it knows that when there taking off and heading to a fight.

Nope, I fly aircraft that have similar top speed range as the Spit, and you can avoid being cornered with discipline and patience. If your usual plane is a P-51D, Typh, Kurt, Dora, N-Jug, then you might feel a lack of speed in the SpitXVI, otherwise, probably not. Furthermore, the SpitXVI has top of the line climb and energy retention through maneuvers. Used as a proper energy fighter, it can "dance on the heads" of many lower bandits.

[DamnedRen]

It's absolutely amazing just how many Spits (all models) get shot down in the MA. Probably as many as other planes.

They are my favorite plane to attack. Wait, the 38's are. No...i think I like La7's, hmmmm...NIk's are my favorite. No, wait, that's not right...FW's and ME's are my favorite shoot downs. Or was it F4's and Yaks? (scratches head)....

What plane to I fly to get kills? Spits, F4's, FW and ME's, 38's, Yak's. Hmmm I guess they're all the same when it comes to the number of kills.

Does that tell you anything? Does it really matter if someone is flying a Spit XVI, Lafffie or Niki? BTW, anyone who thinks you can't land spit kills is drinking something I want.
 
Why do these discussion threads lead one to believe someone just got frustrated once again because they just haven't figured out how to shoot someone down in a particular plane type. They then take their frustration out in a never ending argument on the Forums. Then when someone brings up it's just another whine that dude gets attacked for attempting to bring a little sanity to the forum by calling the guy on his whine.

If you want a real discussion on the Forums. Why not host a subject, "which plane are you frustrated by either fighting or flying"
and let everyone discuss how to overcome their personal shortfalls and limitations. As in "well, I tried this and it worked". I'd bet more people would get more out of that than this one about Spit XVI's.

How many Spit XVI is uber threads are there out there? Wait1 If ya really want it...here ya go....



Ren

[Kazaa]

I HATE 190D9s, I WANT TO PUNCH A WALL EVERY TIME I SEE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S THE MOST POINTLESS RIDE IN GAME!

[BnZs]

Why do these discussion threads lead one to believe someone just got frustrated once again because they just haven't figured out how to shoot someone down in a particular plane type.

Ren: That is clearly an incorrect theory. It is also clearly yet another attempt to argue through invective. The fact that this has been a favorite tactic of people who disagree with me so far does *not* lend a great deal of credibility to their "side."

What I have to say is based on comparison of relative plane performance, and nothing else.

[BnZs]

Thank you for emoting in our general direction.

May I suggest that the next time you see a D9, instead of punching a wall, you attempt to force an angles fight, where the D9 is at a disadvantage vs. virtually everything? You see, unlike some other airplanes , the Dora has a big, fat weakness (turn capacity) to go with its well known strengths of stellar speed, stellar roll, and good climb rate.

I HATE 190D9s, I WANT TO PUNCH A WALL EVERY TIME I SEE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S THE MOST POINTLESS RIDE IN GAME!

[MajWoody]

 

[Kazaa]

They�ll look for a cheap shot or ho then run away if they can�t go vertical, I�ll pull off almost instantly because I know they will not come back otherwise. Then the torture starts all over again.

Seriously, I�m banging my head into the wall just thinking about it.

[Steve]

Thank you for emoting in our general direction.

May I suggest that the next time you see a D9, instead of punching a wall, you attempt to force an angles fight, where the D9 is at a disadvantage vs. virtually everything? You see, unlike some other airplanes , the Dora has a big, fat weakness (turn capacity) to go with its well known strengths of stellar speed, stellar roll, and good climb rate.

Most Dora pilots won't slow down unless desperately defensive(too late), and are easy kills.   

[Guppy35]

Gup, I thought better of you than this....bilge you just poured on the screen. It has nothing to do 190s. The point of bringing up roll-rate is that it is a disadvantage the VIII has relative the XVI. Indeed, the VIII has a severe disadvantage in high speed roll rate against quite abit. That gives it a real, substantive weakness to go with its many strengths. Which is not too much to ask IMO.

I was responding to Krusty comparing the 8 to the 16.  I surrendered in regards to the rest of the thread

[DamnedRen]

Ren: That is clearly an incorrect theory. It is also clearly yet another attempt to argue through invective. The fact that this has been a favorite tactic of people who disagree with me so far does *not* lend a great deal of credibility to their "side."

What I have to say is based on comparison of relative plane performance, and nothing else.

The issue is relative plane performance and nothing else. If we already know what the relative differences are between planes and know how to fly them then it then becomes pilot performance. Hence my theory.

Here's a thought....

Every single plane in AH2 has both strengths and weaknesses. The object of a fighter pilot is to fight his fight meaning fly his planes strengths to the other dudes planes weaknesses and thereby defeat him.

In proof I fought a Spit16 this evening. It was only him and me. He lost the fight and tried stick stirring, when that didn't work, all of a sudden he started warping any time I got within 200 yds of him. I let him wiggle out to 400 and shot him down. His call sign means nothing bur I suggested he relog due warping. He actually tried to fight me. Much to his credit. The warping,if self induced,was not.

So tell me again where this is not another argument detailing someones frustration?  Shooting down spitzteen is no big deal nor any other different than and other plane. As I said above, try a different subject based on a "how to" rather than why it should be this or that including perked or not perked. There are enough of those whines already.

Ren