Brew and I-16 Climb Rate

[Slade]

Hello,

What is the climb rate for the new Brewester and I-16?

Thanks,

Slade

[Widewing]

Hello,

What is the climb rate for the new Brewester and I-16?

Thanks,

Slade

It very much depends on altitude and weight. The easiest way to this if to go offline, take off and use Alt-X to set auto climb. Open E6B and monitor the sustained climb rate. Both climb well for their time period, with the I-16 being a bit better than the Brewster.


My regards,

Widewing

[morfiend]

Messing around in the Brew the other day and set rate of climb to 2350 the IAS hovered around 100mph and the Brew climbed till I got bored... I think I stopped just shy of 20K.

   

[R 105]

See Rule #4 (trolling)

[Grendel]

ME-109 shot the I-16 out of the sky at such a high rate that even Joe Stalin ordered what was left of them out of front line service by the end of July of 1941.

Buahahahahahahaaha. Yeah, right.
I-16s were roughly 2/3 of whole VVS aerial strenght. Yup, they would surely take most of their planes out of operations.
Actually I-16s were flying in large numbers until late 1943, though there are reports of I-16s in front line operations until 1945 in VVS. Elsewhere some I-16s were flying until 1950s.

[Die Hard]

About half of all produced I-16s were still in service in 1943.

[-aper-]

About half of all produced I-16s were still in service in 1943.

Only 240 I-16 were operational in the end of 1941, 75 in the end of 1942, 42 in the middle of 1943.

See Rule #4 (trolling)

Actually it was considering putting I-16 back into production due to urgent needs in fighter planes.

[Masherbrum]

About half of all produced I-16s were still in service in 1943.

Rethink that one. 

[Die Hard]

Only 240 I-16 were operational in the end of 1941, 75 in the end of 1942, 42 in the middle of 1943.

Actually it was considering putting I-16 back into production due to urgent needs in fighter planes.

"Operational" and "in service" are two very different definitions. The I-16 was put back into production in 1941 and was produced until 1942. In 1941 just over 2,000 I-16's were in service with the Soviet Air Force. More than 8,000 I-16s of all marks were produced in total. More than one and a half thousand of those were two-seater trainers that served until the 1950's. So I wouldn't say it is unreasonable to believe the claim that about half of the produced I-16s were still in service (at some point) in 1943.

[Saurdaukar]

Hmm... smells like a pen15 contest with little regard for actual information.

Yup - thats the smell, alright.

[Wmaker]

Here's Brewster's climb rate in AH tested with 50% fuel, zero fuel burn and highest power setting (950hp/104cmHg at sea level) available compared to the Finnish test flights with the BW-366 at continous power setting (850hp/93 cmHg at sea level) and 2300-2400kg flying weight:

[-aper-]

"Operational" and "in service" are two very different definitions. The I-16 was put back into production in 1941 and was produced until 1942. In 1941 just over 2,000 I-16's were in service with the Soviet Air Force. More than 8,000 I-16s of all marks were produced in total. More than one and a half thousand of those were two-seater trainers that served until the 1950's. So I wouldn't say it is unreasonable to believe the claim that about half of the produced I-16s were still in service (at some point) in 1943.

Actually 10,278 of all types of I-16 have been produced (please, see the table) , but the modern types were only I-16 Type 18, 24, 27, 28, 29 produced in 1939-41 with M-62 or M-63 engines. The total number of modern versions produced is 2,113 and the "hybrid" type of these versions is modelled in AH. You may also noticed that the production of I-16 was shutting down in 1941 as only 19 of Type 24 and 80 of Type 29 were built and the rest were Type-15 (Uti-4) two seater trainers. That is the reason why the operational (or as you wish "in service") numbers of I-16 reduced to 240 in the end of 1941 as I mentioned before. Sure I-16 played a significant role in 1941, but do not overestimate it as, for example, MiG-3 was produced in 3,000+ numbers in 1941. In 1942 the numbers of I-16 in service reduced to insignificant values and in 1943 the few squads which were still equiped with I-16 were re-equipped with new Yaks, LAs or P-39s.

[Die Hard]

Just to clarify: "Operational" and "in service" are two different definitions. "Operational" mean the actual number of aircraft capable of being used operationally. In service includes aircraft grounded for various reasons like repairs or lack of fuel or simply stored in reserve. The Luftwaffe usually had hundreds of Me 262s in service at any point in time from late 1944 to early 1945, however at most 50 or so were operational at any one time.

[-aper-]

Just to clarify: "Operational" and "in service" are two different definitions. "Operational" mean the actual number of aircraft capable of being used operationally. In service includes aircraft grounded for various reasons like repairs or lack of fuel or simply stored in reserve. The Luftwaffe usually had hundreds of Me 262s in service at any point in time from late 1944 to early 1945, however at most 50 or so were operational at any one time.

Yes, I understand your point. But it was me, who translated it from russian into english as "operational". In the book ("I-16 fighter plane" by Mikhail Maslov) it is written that the numbers of I-16 in squads reduced to 240 in the end of 1941. We can assume it's operational as further down it's written that approximately the same number of I-16 kept in squads up to the middle of 1942 as the losses were covered by the planes repaired/restored at workshops and delivered back to the squads. But to the end of 1942 only 75 I-16 left in squads and you can assume that at this point there were almost nothing left to repair/restore.

The example of Me-262 is not quite good due to the catastrophic situation in Germany and Luftwaffe in late 1944 - early1945 which was a main reason why it was hard to make squads operational especially if they were equipped with hi-tech jet planes.
It would be better to see, for example, how many Bf-109E left operational/in service in 1943.

[Saurdaukar]

It would be better to see, for example, how many Bf-109E left operational/in service in 1943.

If you care to wait a few hours until I get home, I can look this up in the applicable book.